Ibrahim,
Your ideas are fine. Either I have not been paying enough attention or the original warm war I believe should have been more protracted. I would have certainly written some actions especially for the past year or two that would at least touch on the war.
Also the Burcancy Navy is actually reasonably powerful I believe. In the past, it has had secure relations w/ several naval powers and I have spent actions modernizing and improving the navy. Having a naval presence w/ the Kaier's previous history might not be the best thing for the rest of the Inland Seas, and Kaeir might have been acted against by other powers. although in the chaos of Cedonia's break-up I guess anything is possible.
Although for the most part I believe you have written a reasonable outline, I believe I do see some differences you are advocating from prior history in this region. All I am suggesting is that we look at the actions of other societies player & non-player and see if actions need to be adjusted. I will certainly modify my actions w/ Agrigax in light of Kaier's recent war w/ him.
Although, you have portrayed Agrigax as a weak leader, I am unclear where that came from. He certainly has struggled to centralize power, but I don't remember seeing that anywhere in previous notes except in your recent actions where such a weakness would admirably suit your current plans for Kaier. And I am unclear where it is reflected in any of the previous GM determinations of my actions.
Perhaps the GM could provide an unbiased view of the current Taltheran & Kaier situation, so that we can acheive less confusion in writing orders.
If your spy network is separate that is fine, Spy networks typically take many years and years to form to get an adequate level of consistent information. Getting someone reliable in the right spot to provide information, etc. This does remind me to ask the GM why assassins would come out of the Tal-Wyr basin in Morvali which is described as a semi-nomadic bunch to try and assassinate the King of the Burcancy. That makes little sense.
Joel
Ibrahim Dughlas-gani wrote:
Joel,
After having thought about it, I think Taltheran-Kaeir relations should be seen in the context of a protracted civil war (though a warm not hot war).
Furthermore, the game allows for multiple players within a society, provided they operate on different levels. So even if the "royalist" or "republican" forces were to lose (these are the two factions I'm proposing), then they still would not be extinct, merely in exile.
The original reason i felt a mercantile republic to be a realistic form of opposition to the Taltheran monarchy was that King Aggrax had been attempting to centralise power and through that weaken his reliance (and the importance) of the major Houses. The establishment of a secondary power centre in the kingdom after the conquest of the earlier Kaeirean pirates (and its incorporation as a Principality) gave the latent anti-monarchist a point to gather around, sufficiently far away enough from the capital.
Weak rule by the Prince and poor choices led to that opposition being able to organise, and in 1430, establish the fledgeling republic. 6 years later (now), it is sufficiently organised to spred beyond the Kaeirean Isles to the mainland, and has had several years of republican propaganda to strengthen its efforts to incite popular revolt.
The spread of revolution to the mainland is aided by the unpopularity of the Court amongst the mainland Houses, many of whom have ties with those Houses currently based in Kaeir.
Lastly, the spy network, otherwise known as the Information Secretariat, was only formally established in the last year or so. It also has no connections with the "Assassin", or political manuevering in the Tal River basin.
Sooner or later, either the Tal Monarchy or the Kaeirean Republic will triumph in Taltheran, but of course only one can.
Thoughts?
cheers,
Ibrahim Underwood
----- Original Message -----
From: Joel Elfman
Date: Friday, July 11, 2003 1:10 am
Subject: Re: [Cel] [1436] Republic of Kaeir, Taltheran & the Burcancy
> Perhaps Ibrahim, the GM & I need to talk. It seems that Ibrahim &
> I are currently writing separate actions that influence Taltheran
> but the moves show no influence from each other. Certainly, the
> current breakway would certainly effect my chances at better
> relations, and some of this spy network that I am infiltrating is
> probably based in Kaeir.
>
> I suggest a quick exchange, I will certainly look at revising some
> of my actions in light of what is happening in Kaeir.
>
> Joel
>
> Ibrahim Dughlas-gani wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
> The Republic of Kaeir's turn.
>
> Having successfully established the Republican Order in Kaeir, the
> Kaeirean Senate, led by the First Citizen, Lord Basilludin,
> Commander of the elite Kaeirean Guard, turns its revolutionary
> attentions to the mainland of Taltheran and Talishara.
>
> As the preliminary step, the Republicans call on their allies on
> the mainland, particularly those Noble Clans and Houses related to
> Kaeirean Houses by blood, marriage and intrigue.
>
> Basiluddin, for both his own personal interest and the greater
> glory of the Republican cause, establishes the Information
> Secretariat to enhance the Republic's domestic and foreign
> intelligence and propanda organs.
>
> Ibrahim Underwood
> Player (Kaeir)
>
>
> ----
> ACTION: Kaeirean Senate
>
> 1. Incite republican revolt in mainland Tirmar (2 actions x 2yrs )
>
> "In response to the demands of the citizens of Tirmar and
> Talishara, the Republic has decided to heed the calls of our
> brothers across the Kaeirean Strait, and support them in their
> efforts to establish the Republican Order in their counties and
> boroughs, and to work towards the renewal of the Midsea as a
> unified, strong Republic free from the tyranny of kings, so that
> power resides in the hands of those who are fit for power, and not
> those who are simply in an off-chance born to it."
>
> Lord Osric Basiluddin
>
> On behalf of the Kaeirean Senate,
> In the name of the Republican Revolution.
>
> (The Kaeirean Senate incites the major merchant Houses of
> Taltheran, centred in Tirmar and Talishara, to join the republican
> cause, with full membership of the Senate. Using the strong ties
> of blood and commerce between the Taltherani and Kaeirean branches
> of many of the Houses, the Senate calls on them to honour their
> previous promises and join with them in the Republican Cause, and
> liquidate the royalists in their cities.)
>
> +2 Revolutionary spirit (Orientation + success of Kaeirean Revolt)
> +1 Kaeirean-Tirmari ethnic ties (related languages of Western
> Midsea Branch, as opposed to Taltheran - Taltherani Branch).
> +1 Status of Taltheran amongst the Tirmarians (Revolt framed in
> context of internal Taltherani struggle, unrelated to Taltherani
> legitimacy in Tirmar)
> +3 Support of Merchant-Houses
> -2 Status of King Aggrix of Taltheran
> +1 Southern proximity of Kaeir to Tirmar and Talishara basis for
> common interest (as opposed to northern city of Tal
> -1 Taltherani Guard dominated by royalist faction
>
> Result (ideal):
>
>
> Partial success - Tirmar joins the republican revolution, but
> Talishara torn apart by civil war.
>
> The Royalist cause quickly collapses in on itself in newly rebuil
> Port Tirmar, where the major Houses use their wealth and might to
> persuade the Taltherani Guard to join with them. A delegation is
> sent to Port Kaeir, and Tirmar is granted full representation in
> the Kaeirean Senate, on par with the Houses of Port Kaeir,
> Celtehar and Celtalath.
>
> In Talishara, chaos ensues, as royalist and republican factions
> emerge, cutting across ethnic and family divides (Taltherani and
> Tirmarian). Limited civil war is driven to murderous stalemat in
> Talishara only by the daily curfew of nightfall. Meanwhile, the
> republican faction in Talishara waits for relief from Port Kaeir.
>
> In the aftermath, the Kaeirean Senate begins preparations for
> despatching a relief force to Talishara to assist the Talisharian
> republicans to overcome the royalists. The General Staff of the
> Kaeirean Guard begins discussions with the republican forces in
> Tirmar on how to to secure the eastern Tirmar coastline as far
> north as the Taltherani Cape, to prepare for the inevitable
> royalist attack from Tal.
>
>
> ACTION 2: Lord Osric Basiluddin - Establishment of Republican
> Information Secretariat
>
> Ostenibly in the name of spreading republican propaganda on the
> mainland, Basiluddin founds the Information Secretariat, directly
> responsible to him, and coming under the authority of the Port
> Kaeir Govenorate that he controls. In reality, the Information
> Secretariat is actually an intelligence agency conducting foreign
> and domestic espionage, assassination, propaganda and blackmail,
> for the purpose of strengthening the position of Basiluddin's
> Kaeirean Guard in the Republic.
>
> Initial operations focus on Port Kaeir, as well as the nearby
> cities of Port Tirmar and Talishara.
>
> In time, the Information Secretariat will become a Key Element of
> Kaeirean society, and cause the further centralisation of power in
> Kaeir, and the strengthening of Basiluddin's Authority and Consent
> because of his increased power.
>
> +2 Basiluddin's position as Kaeirean Guard Commander and Port
> Kaeir Governor (Authority, Influence, Resources).
> +2 Revolutionary spirit (Orientation) - because of the need to
> "protect" the revolution as counter-revolution.
> -2 Secrecy of real purpose of Information Secretariat.
> +1 Support of Senate for propaganda role of Secretariat
> +1
>
> +3 Support of Merchant-Houses
> -2 Status of King Aggrix
> +1 Southern proximity of Kaeir to Tirmar and Talishara basis for
> common interest (as opposed to northern city of Tal
> -1 Taltherani Guard dominated by royalist faction
>
> Result (Ideal):
>
> The Information Secretariat is established, discretely but firmly
> under the control of First Citizen, Lord Basilludin. Kaeir's
> proganda and intelligence abilities are greatly enhanced and
> extended far into the mainland. +2 to all Kaeirean proganda,
> incitement and intelligence actions.
>
>
>
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