I did get it from a website, but I didn't bookmark it at the time. I should have; it's hard-to-find information. When I get home from work tonight I can try to track it down.
Andrew
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From: Jason Heaps
To: celandra@phoenyx.net
Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 11:47:43 AM
Subject: Re: [Cel] Sedonia's Navy
Okay. That is what I wanted to know.
BTW out of curiosity do you have website with this information or a book you are getting it from, so that I can look at it in the future?
Thanks
Jason Heaps
Andrew Janssen wrote:
Is this a change to 1460 or 1461?
As far as plausibility, my sources indicated that in our RW history, it
took 4 to six months to construct ships of the type the Sedonian Navy
uses. Based on the number of building slips available, most of which
were concentrated in Thalsedon, Gomel, & Inibar, I figured on 2 to 5
years, min-max, to triple the pre-war fleet ship count. Frankly, I'd
assumed that personnel training, not shipbuilding, would be the limiting
factor.
Vizur's advantage in shipbuilding lay not in the number of yards, but in
its proximity to raw materials.
And no, I'm not going to change my write-up retroactively. Largely
because I'd rather spend my time writing new stuff than revisiting old
stuff. However, see my reasoning below:
The way I saw the battle of Zelkor playing out was that the ships that
were destroyed were the "heavy" ships, quinquiremes and deceres. Those
ships had very large crews and were intended as mobile siege artillery
platforms for bombarding harbors, not fleet battles. Being large, slow,
and difficult to maneuver, they would have taken the brunt of the
casualties in a fleet engagement.
Working the math, if all 3 of Sedonia's deceres and all 9 of the
quinqueremes were lost with all hands, that works out to a loss of 28.5%
of the ships and 41.7% of the men. More realisticly, say Sedonia lost 14
ships and 42% to 45% of its men. That would mean Zelkor lost 2 ships
(based on the 1:7 ratio from the battle result)
Replacing those 14 ships would take on average 5 months (since the
Sedonian navy isn't replacing deceres with deceres, or quinqueremes with
quinqueremes, but with triremes), meaning it would take a single slip
~70 months to build 14 ships.
If we disregard Vizur's six ship building slips, that still leaves 36
slips in the other ports, each of which can build about 2 ships in a
year, assuming parts & labor are available. The yards combined could
replace the 14 lost ships, and still build 58 more.
Anyway, you are quite right about the time factor--given weather and
training needs, the full blockading squadron wouldn't be fully on
station until very late spring, early summer at the earliest, more
likely midsummer although they'd probably have a partial squadron
observing the port from the beginning of the year.
That's more than enough time for Tanimbar to slip at least one convoy in
if they can move quickly enough.
Andrew
Jason Heaps wrote:
> Okay. I have had both Ethan and Doug point this out and question the actualy plossiblitly of Sedonia in a year being able to bring their navy to pre-battle levels, even with a +3 being able to rebuild the lost fleet and and train effective sailors in a year is a stretch of the imagination.
>
> I am sorry I should have caught this earlier, but with a stressful decemeber, it is my fault. Sorry Andrew.
>
> Okay the rebuilding the ships actions did come out with a +3 but with a normal difficulty. Then there is the subpart.
>
> + Supply construction materials +
> + Construct ships 0
> + Recruit sailors +
> + Train sailors +
>
> The only thing that I would change from Andrew wright up is that the ships are not yet at pre battle levels, unless we are looking at a very small number of ships. One thing to keep in mind is that the Vizur was raided, and most of the damage would be in the harbor area so ships would be slower in building down there.
>
> I would say that while the ships are not at pre battle levels, but the amount of sailors, and training is higher then pre-battle levels. Unless Juuso disagrees.
>
> Also for the sack of clarification, I would imagin that Andrew would agree with this, even with the sedonian fleet leaving at the begining of the year it would take two to three months for the fleet to completly arrive, and for them to install the bloackade.
>
> Again sorry Andrew
>
> Jason Heaps
>
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