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KarenCravens
Karen Cravens

Sat

Jan 20
2001

05:28



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Chat> Game Profiles and other ramblings

Okay, I know a lot of you (Carl included) look at these sorts of 
messages, think "I should think about that and answer it" and 
never get around to it.  Well, *do* think about and answer this.  It 
determines your future.

If you peeked at the teaser graphics, you'll have noticed there isn't 
much game-specific information on that profile page.  That's the 
"group" profile, for the technical stuff.

So I'm working on the *game* profile side of things.  What that'll be 
is a sort of an elaborate version of the kind of thing you'd see on 
the PBM List 
(http://www.pbm.com/~lindahl/pbm_list/descriptions/shazrad_city_o
f_veils.html for instance), crossed with the old-fashioned 
FAQ/Template/Thingy that used to be the required homepage for all 
Phoenyx games before I got lazy:
http://www.phoenyx.net/template.html, with a little of the Openings 
Form thrown in:  http://www.phoenyx.net/openings/form.html

This will replace the whole Openings List structure, and be for 
Phoenyx and non-Phoenyx games alike.  Awhile back, Jason 
griped that it was darn near impossible to find openings in any 
game, Phoenyx included, even if there *were* openings.  The PBM 
List is nifty, but (1) not really roleplaying-oriented, and (2) not 
always up-to-date because it's freakin' hyuuuge and too hard for 
Greg to verify.  Pbem.com (Irony Games) claims hundreds of ads, 
but is really just the same five duplicated hundreds of times (okay, 
not quite that bad, but it *is* disorganized).  And I know the 
Openings list gets duplicate submissions.

So what this is, is a place to profile your game.  It'll have a critter 
where you mark that you have openings.  If you do that, it'll email 
you in a week asking if you want to renew that or let it lapse.  
Otherwise, it'll robocheck your link now and again, and email you 
(once a month? a quarter?) asking you to renew the whole profile, 
update it, or whatever.  Ads with recent openings, then ads with 
recent changes go at the top of the list, so you don't have people 
continually re-posting duplicates just to stay at the top.

So.  I need feedback on what sorts of things (from the 
aforementioned sources) need to be included in such a profile to 
make it useful to potential lurkers and players.  Remember, in part 
the old template was there to make potential gamemasters think:  
"How long IS this game going to take?" and "How AM I going to run 
combat?"  I'm also looking for questions that will indicate to the 
potential player that the game is not likely to die young.  "There 
is/is not a secondary gamemaster [probably a faithful player, in an 
existing game] who could take over if need be," and if so, "The 
second-string GM has an 'In Case Of Fire, Break Glass' spoiler file 
so that he'll know where the plot was heading, what the secrets 
are, what the character sheets look like, etc."

I'm also thinking of requiring all Phoenyx gamemasters (including 
current ones) to fill out a Last Will and Testament indicating what 
their plans are in the event they fall off the net or otherwise can't 
continue the game.

I'm also also thinking of requiring a Living Will... what the minimum 
activity level of the game should be before the category editor 
intervenes.

Speaking of minac, I'm also wondering if there's a software way to 
measure that.  Right now, the system can track last post, and last 
owner post, and some of you have probably gotten inactivity 
warnings.  (If your list hasn't seen a message in four weeks, 
something is wrong.)  Ideally, I'd like to have a way to pick up on 
warning signs *before* that point, but I'm not sure how.  The 
category editor could subscribe to every group, I've done that now 
and when you get above a certain number of games, they all run 
together... without meaning any insult, I can safely say I wouldn't 
have noticed if any given fantasy game went silent, because I 
couldn't track which characters were in which one.

The new software can track who's a gamemaster (not just list 
owner) or a player.  But it can't tell if a player is making a "move" 
post or just a "Boy, work is really keeping me busy" post.  I wasn't 
terribly happy with the way the pbemtools test went over on 
testlist... it's difficult to remember to put in or take out +turn or 
+move when a turn/move is "official" or not.  I'm considering a (web-
based, probably) form in which the gamemaster can quickly scan 
the messages and check off the ones that should be "official" and 
which ones are chatter.  But I dunno.

Which leads back into the metrics stuff.  Assuming we either figure 
out a convenient way to separate the in-game stuff, or just assume 
if it's from a GM/player it's in-game, I'm trying to decide if it's 
worthwhile to measure it somehow... word count, message 
frequency, etc.  If the metric declined, the category editor could 
point that out to the gamemaster and see if the game's in trouble or 
just finding a maintainable stride.

Which leads back to the game profile stuff.  Obviously, we don't get 
any kind of word/message count on eGroups games, f'rinstance, 
but would some kind of ratings system be appropriate?  Or would 
that just lead to Joe's l33t gamer friends rating his game straight 
10's even though he's a l4m3r, just because they're friends?  Or 
would just having a writing sample be sufficient?  Would *you* guys 
want people rating your games?

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