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Celandra is a game in which the players take the roles of societies, rather than playing individual characters. The players will invent a society with its culture and heritage, and will guide its development and interaction with the world. Emphasis will be be placed on developing a detailed history of Celandra, along with myths and legends.
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JuhaVesanto
juuso

Fri

Jan 19
2001

05:24Z

[Cel] [Ely] Eleven cities actions for 2842

Unarguably, the most important happening in Eleven cities in 2842 is the
Council of Dukes, hosted by Duke of Myraen, and starting right from the
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Joel Elfman

Fri

Jan 19
2001

13:50Z

[Cel] [Ely] Seperate Lists

Juuso,

    Are there separate mailing lists for Elyria & Qaiyoure?

Joel

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JuhaVesanto
juuso

Sun

Jan 21
2001

14:08Z

[Cel] [Ely] Seperate Lists

On Fri, 19 Jan 2001, Joel Elfman wrote:
>     Are there separate mailing lists for Elyria & Qaiyoure?

Yes. Actually they are sublists: 

  celandra+elyria@phoenyx.net
  celandra+qaiyore@phoenyx.net
 
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Joel Elfman

Sun

Jan 21
2001

15:08Z

[Cel] [Ely] Seperate Lists

Okay, I will start sending everything to the sublist.  Folks fix your
filters, etc.

Joel

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Joel Elfman

Tue

Jan 23
2001

03:33Z

[Ely] [Cel] [Results] - Slight Delay

For those of you I still owe results, I have to delay a day to respond.

A couple of players have written that they are having to focus on real
life stuff.  That is fine.  Just let me know and we can always adjust
deadlines.  I will always respect the needs of real life over game.

Joel

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Joel Elfman

Wed

Jan 24
2001

06:22Z

[Ely] [Cel] Results &/or Comments

Hi,

    I think that everyone has either a 1st draft of results or
comments.  If you do not, please let me know and I will take care of
it.  If you are making any changes, please let me know.  I will publish
the results on Friday, 1/26.

    Several of you have told me that you are experiencing real life
delays.  For the moment I would like to try and keep to our rough
schedule, 2843 will be due on 2/10.  We may overlap 2842 & 2843 if
necessary.  Hopefully, future years will not cross over as much as we
are doing right now.  If anyone needs extensions, let me know.  I think
at least one person will.  Turunas is very busy and may take a week or
so to respond to anyone needing to talk to him.

joel
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Joel Elfman

Sat

Jan 27
2001

05:40Z

[Ely] [Cel] Late Results - Reyclean 2833 - 2841

Here is some late timeline actions from Reyclean.


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Joel Elfman

Sat

Jan 27
2001

05:59Z

[Ely] [Cel] Last Call for 2842

1)    Last call for 2842.  I still need actions from Reyclean, Nargash &
Aloria.

2)    If anyone does not want me to publish results, questions or
comments to your actions or is issuing corrections, please let me know
by Sunday, otherwise all info is being released.  You have all had
opportunity to respond.

3)    I am still waiting on timeline actions (2833-41) from the City of
Nargash.  Because he has been traveling and since Nargash is an isolated
society I will allow the late entry.

4)    I will publish the 2843 events this weekend.  2843 will end on
2/10/01.  If you want extensions you have to let me know.   Otherwise
this deadline and future ones will hopefully be adhered to more
strictly.

Joel

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Joel Elfman

Tue

Jan 30
2001

05:09Z

[Ely] [Cel] Results - Timeline Actions 2833 - 2841

I had a request for all of these timeline actions.  So just to be safe I
am sending everything to all of you again.  We are still missing the
City of Nargash which will get straightened out eventually.

Joel
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Joel Elfman

Tue

Jan 30
2001

05:55Z

[Ely] [Cel] Actions & Comments - 2842

Hi,

 1)    Since everyone seems busy to speed things up, I am sending out
everyone's 2842 w/ my first set of comments (Reyclean does not have any
comments at this moment I believe).  If I owe anyone else comments,
please let me know.

2)     I will close 2842 out on Thursday, 2/1 and list all results as
final.  If no one has responded w/ revisions, their own comments or
asked for an extension you are out of luck.  I think there has been more
then enough time and requests for replies from the players.  If my
overlapping action years or something else I maybe doing is causing
confusion and delay then let me know so that we can straighten things
out for future years.  If real life is still causing some of you
problems then again, please let me know and we can adjust the calendar.

3)    For future years, if no one objects, or there is not a specific
request I will publish my comments & results to the list.  My original
thought was to do it privately, so no one might reveal future plans but
that does not appear to be a large concern to many.  If you want
comments privately then let me know and I will send to the appropriate
individual until the final results are published.

4)    I will attempt to finish Reyclean & send out 2843 events tomorrow
night.  It is past midnight here and I just got home from work so my
brain is fried.

5)    I am officially moving Silverhand, Keland-Northmarch & Nazclan to
NPS status since we have not heard from these players in a while.
Hopefully, they will return.

Joel
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Joel Elfman

Fri

Feb 2
2001

05:24Z

[Ely] [Cel] Results 2842

Hi,

1)    I have not heard from most of you about making any changes in your
2842 actions. (I know some of you are very busy) I had questions for
some of you about your actions, and some of you did not include
pluses/minuses for your moves.  (various results might have been more
successful if you had.)  I am resending results in case anyone did not
receive them.
    I think everyone should have results except Aloria & Nargash who
have not submitted.
2)    Please include difficulty levels & primary determinants in your
actions.  Pluses/minuses are your choice but normally they benefit you.
I will start sending back moves soon, for those which do not include
difficulty level and primary determinants.
3)    I am sorry for not doing results sooner, work has been busy.  I
will definitely get 2843 actions resolved either Friday or over the
weekend.  I will still try and keep to the 2843 deadline of 2/10.

Joel
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juuso

Fri

Feb 2
2001

06:45Z

[Ely] Eleven cities actions 2843 (Kenny, Jason, please read)

Hi, here are Eleven cities actions for 2843. Action 1 contains a request
for input from Hur'Mel (Duchess Manund asks for any help Order of Mel can
give - military, economical, or diplomatic), and action 2 involves
Asentinir, so input from Fae (and Aloria and Taseleth?) would be welcome.

 - - - -

Action 1: Duchess of Manund has established a Court in Exile in
Emberath, and from there starts to prepare for taking back her lands
by force. She has backing from Duke Emberath, and the Fae, but she
needs more. Action objective is to gather more support, and 
overall organize the revolution for an attack in 2844.

Modifiers: 
  + backing from Emberath
  + she is a popular figure in Manund
  ? how is Duke Merelbar doing in Manund? Letting it rot, 
    fortifying it, or gaining popularity? (subaction, please)
  ? Duchess asks for help from Order of Mel - she grew up
    in Hur'Mel and has many friends there in high places. 
    (input from Order of Mel)

Action 2: dukes of Benemeth and Falmyth continue their campaign
against Fae & alllies in Asentinir. They try very hard to find
anything and everything suspicious about the occupation, and 
try to make efficient propaganda against the Fae (in particular). 
The objective is to find (or create) evidence against the 
occupation, and overall make it look bad. 

Modifiers: 
  ? how much under-cover dealing is going on in Asentinir? 
    Is the Regency Council ripping off, or doing the right thing?
    (input from Fae, Taseleth, Aloria)
  ? something fishy is always going on, or something can be 
    arranged (subaction, please)
  - Regency Council is (presumably) going to try throwing
    them out (or harass them back)? (opinions from the 
    Regency Council?)
  ? any supernatural help would be great (Matthew?)

Action 3: there are quite a lot of rogues (former mercenaries)
running around in Eleven cities. Several dukes (esp. Helemur and 
Myraen) are trying to do a mob-up operation to make the roads
safe again. 

Modifiers: 
  + mercenaries are not really organized

Action 4: Duke Merelbar is trying to get to the position 
Duke Asentinir had before: he tries to get mercenaries 
to his service, gather revenue from the taxes they collect, 
and so strengthen his army & hold on Manund, and get more
status. 

Modifiers: 
  + the mercenaries need jobs
  ? do the mercenaries want to work for the duke? 
    (personality trial: subaction please)
  ? results from action 3: are there any mercenaries left
    after the mob-up

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jtsl

Fri

Feb 2
2001

07:54Z

[Ely] Eleven cities actions 2843 (Kenny, Jason, please read)

> Modifiers:
>   ? how much under-cover dealing is going on in Asentinir?
>     Is the Regency Council ripping off, or doing the right thing?
>     (input from Fae, Taseleth, Aloria)

Not any really.  The Aseninir Council member is my pupet.  But thats about
it.  also the spell on the Duke but that woudl be Very Hard to prove.

>   ? something fishy is always going on, or something can be
>     arranged (subaction, please)

Nothing really.

>   - Regency Council is (presumably) going to try throwing
>     them out (or harass them back)? (opinions from the
>     Regency Council?)

Yea.  We are working on something.  :)

>   ? any supernatural help would be great (Matthew?)

Jason


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Coote, Matthew

Fri

Feb 2
2001

13:12Z

[Ely] Eleven cities actions 2843 (Kenny, Jason, please read)

> 
> Action 2: dukes of Benemeth and Falmyth continue their campaign
> against Fae & alllies in Asentinir. They try very hard to find
> anything and everything suspicious about the occupation, and 
> try to make efficient propaganda against the Fae (in particular). 
> The objective is to find (or create) evidence against the 
> occupation, and overall make it look bad. 
> 
> Modifiers: 
>   ? how much under-cover dealing is going on in Asentinir? 
>     Is the Regency Council ripping off, or doing the right thing?
>     (input from Fae, Taseleth, Aloria)
>   ? something fishy is always going on, or something can be 
>     arranged (subaction, please)
>   - Regency Council is (presumably) going to try throwing
>     them out (or harass them back)? (opinions from the 
>     Regency Council?)
>   ? any supernatural help would be great (Matthew?)
> 

Ok, how's this...

The Tulunthian Sect (Helix in Eleven cities), has sent a messenger back to
the Main academy in Taseleth.

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	"Vice Chancellor, Greetings to you, may all your days be blessed..."

	"...And to you, also." Interrupted the Vice chancellor.  "I'm not
big on formalities, Shall we get down to the matter at hand."  He said
gazing up from a large tome on a pedestal before him.  "You look troubled."

	"Thank you for seeing me on such short notice.  The matter that has
brought me here is urgent" he squirmed under the Vice chancellors gaze.  But
eventually he continued.  "Something strange is happening in the eleven
cities.  It has the feel of powerful magic...  Dark magic."

	"We have been unable to locate it's source.  It is very elusive.
But, in a chance discussion with the duke of Benemeth, he mentioned that
strange things are happening in the Council." he hesitated for a moment to
phrase his words, then continued.  "It is the only lead we have.  We have no
evidence yet, but we would like your blessing to investigate."

	The Vice chancellors gaze intensified.  "You investigate many
things, and know that you do not need to ask permission...  There is
something your not telling me?"

	"Yes, my humblest apologies, our concern is that in the council only
the Fae are that powerful." he shrunk away, suspecting what the vice
chancellors reaction would be.

	"Surely you know from your dealings with the Fae, that they are
honourable." the vice chancellor said in a raised voice.  "The Dark Magic
will have a different source." 
His words were decisive.  There was to be no investigation of the Fae.
Then, to a very surprised messenger, he continued.  "very well, you may
investigate.  The dark magic may very well be somewhere in that council.
But if they can hide from the Fae, then you have a difficult task set before
you."  

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Helix could investigate the council, but would not specifically set out to
target the Fae.


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jtsl

Fri

Feb 2
2001

14:13Z

[Ely] Eleven cities actions 2843 (Kenny, Jason, please read)

"Coote, Matthew" wrote:

> >
> > Action 2: dukes of Benemeth and Falmyth continue their campaign
> > against Fae & alllies in Asentinir. They try very hard to find
> > anything and everything suspicious about the occupation, and
> > try to make efficient propaganda against the Fae (in particular).
> > The objective is to find (or create) evidence against the
> > occupation, and overall make it look bad.
> >
> > Modifiers:
> >   ? how much under-cover dealing is going on in Asentinir?
> >     Is the Regency Council ripping off, or doing the right thing?
> >     (input from Fae, Taseleth, Aloria)
> >   ? something fishy is always going on, or something can be
> >     arranged (subaction, please)
> >   - Regency Council is (presumably) going to try throwing
> >     them out (or harass them back)? (opinions from the
> >     Regency Council?)
> >   ? any supernatural help would be great (Matthew?)
> >
>
> Ok, how's this...
>
> The Tulunthian Sect (Helix in Eleven cities), has sent a messenger back to
> the Main academy in Taseleth.
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>         "Vice Chancellor, Greetings to you, may all your days be blessed..."
>
>         "...And to you, also." Interrupted the Vice chancellor.  "I'm not
> big on formalities, Shall we get down to the matter at hand."  He said
> gazing up from a large tome on a pedestal before him.  "You look troubled."
>
>         "Thank you for seeing me on such short notice.  The matter that has
> brought me here is urgent" he squirmed under the Vice chancellors gaze.  But
> eventually he continued.  "Something strange is happening in the eleven
> cities.  It has the feel of powerful magic...  Dark magic."
>
>         "We have been unable to locate it's source.  It is very elusive.
> But, in a chance discussion with the duke of Benemeth, he mentioned that
> strange things are happening in the Council." he hesitated for a moment to
> phrase his words, then continued.  "It is the only lead we have.  We have no
> evidence yet, but we would like your blessing to investigate."
>
>         The Vice chancellors gaze intensified.  "You investigate many
> things, and know that you do not need to ask permission...  There is
> something your not telling me?"
>
>         "Yes, my humblest apologies, our concern is that in the council only
> the Fae are that powerful." he shrunk away, suspecting what the vice
> chancellors reaction would be.
>
>         "Surely you know from your dealings with the Fae, that they are
> honourable." the vice chancellor said in a raised voice.  "The Dark Magic
> will have a different source."
> His words were decisive.  There was to be no investigation of the Fae.
> Then, to a very surprised messenger, he continued.  "very well, you may
> investigate.  The dark magic may very well be somewhere in that council.
> But if they can hide from the Fae, then you have a difficult task set before
> you."
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
> Helix could investigate the council, but would not specifically set out to
> target the Fae.
>
> Matt
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When they show up the Fae would say.  If thier is dark magic it is comeing from
the Benemeth.  The Duke wishes the Fae and the allies to stop their protection
of Asentinir.  Look to your source of information first.  Their is nothing wrong
with the Regency Council.

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The Fae can point the fingure just as well. ; )

Jason

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Joel Elfman

Fri

Feb 2
2001

14:14Z

[Ely] Eleven cities actions 2843 (Kenny, Jason, please read)

Juuso,

    One big question, & I am not sure if this constitutes an action that you
must take, I don't think so but you and Jason can let me know.

    If Falmyth and Benemeth are attacked outside Asentinir are they going to
fight or run away?
    It is my understanding that most of their armies are now committed
outside the gates of Asentinir.  If they fight and loose what will the rest
of the Eleven Cities do?

Joel

"Juha Vesanto (Juuso)" wrote:

> Hi, here are Eleven cities actions for 2843. Action 1 contains a request
> for input from Hur'Mel (Duchess Manund asks for any help Order of Mel can
> give - military, economical, or diplomatic), and action 2 involves
> Asentinir, so input from Fae (and Aloria and Taseleth?) would be welcome.
>
>  - - - -
>
> Action 1: Duchess of Manund has established a Court in Exile in
> Emberath, and from there starts to prepare for taking back her lands
> by force. She has backing from Duke Emberath, and the Fae, but she
> needs more. Action objective is to gather more support, and
> overall organize the revolution for an attack in 2844.
>
> Modifiers:
>   + backing from Emberath
>   + she is a popular figure in Manund
>   ? how is Duke Merelbar doing in Manund? Letting it rot,
>     fortifying it, or gaining popularity? (subaction, please)
>   ? Duchess asks for help from Order of Mel - she grew up
>     in Hur'Mel and has many friends there in high places.
>     (input from Order of Mel)
>
> Action 2: dukes of Benemeth and Falmyth continue their campaign
> against Fae & alllies in Asentinir. They try very hard to find
> anything and everything suspicious about the occupation, and
> try to make efficient propaganda against the Fae (in particular).
> The objective is to find (or create) evidence against the
> occupation, and overall make it look bad.
>
> Modifiers:
>   ? how much under-cover dealing is going on in Asentinir?
>     Is the Regency Council ripping off, or doing the right thing?
>     (input from Fae, Taseleth, Aloria)
>   ? something fishy is always going on, or something can be
>     arranged (subaction, please)
>   - Regency Council is (presumably) going to try throwing
>     them out (or harass them back)? (opinions from the
>     Regency Council?)
>   ? any supernatural help would be great (Matthew?)
>
> Action 3: there are quite a lot of rogues (former mercenaries)
> running around in Eleven cities. Several dukes (esp. Helemur and
> Myraen) are trying to do a mob-up operation to make the roads
> safe again.
>
> Modifiers:
>   + mercenaries are not really organized
>
> Action 4: Duke Merelbar is trying to get to the position
> Duke Asentinir had before: he tries to get mercenaries
> to his service, gather revenue from the taxes they collect,
> and so strengthen his army & hold on Manund, and get more
> status.
>
> Modifiers:
>   + the mercenaries need jobs
>   ? do the mercenaries want to work for the duke?
>     (personality trial: subaction please)
>   ? results from action 3: are there any mercenaries left
>     after the mob-up
>
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Sat

Feb 3
2001

21:42Z

[Ely] Eleven cities actions 2843 (Kenny, Jason, please read)

On Fri, 2 Feb 2001, Joel Elfman wrote:
>     One big question, & I am not sure if this constitutes an action that you
> must take, I don't think so but you and Jason can let me know.

Defence does not constitute an action, since it is more reactive than 
active by nature.
 
>     If Falmyth and Benemeth are attacked outside Asentinir are they going to
> fight or run away?

Whatever is reasonable. They won't stay for slaughter, but they will make 
a stand if there's the slightest possibility that they might prevail.

>     It is my understanding that most of their armies are now committed
> outside the gates of Asentinir.  If they fight and loose what will the rest
> of the Eleven Cities do?

Hmmm... depends on whether "unprovoked attack on a camp of concerned
citizens by fiendish aliens and their outlandish allies" or "they 
look for trouble, and they get it" opinion prevails. Nevertheless, 
they won't do anything before next year (2844). Any initial response
will be diplomatic rather than armed. Reaction will highy depend
on the result of action #2 of 11-cities.

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Joel Elfman

Sun

Feb 4
2001

05:19Z

[Ely] Eleven cities actions 2843 (Kenny, Jason, please read)

Juuso,

    If I remember Taseleth went into Asentinir w/ 7500 (2500
mercenaries, former Band of Stone & 5000 of his own)? &  I am not sure
if we worked out Aloria's numbers.  I believe you mentioned that the
Falmyth & Benemeth's numbers were about 3000 combined.  This does not
sound like a good chance for victory, not even including the Fae magics,
so you might want to decide what you do if they are going to attack.  If
not I will throw the dice and you can determine the result based on the
roll.

Joel

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juuso

Mon

Feb 5
2001

05:47Z

[Ely] Eleven cities actions 2843 (Kenny, Jason, please read)

On Sat, 3 Feb 2001, Joel Elfman wrote:
>     If I remember Taseleth went into Asentinir w/ 7500 (2500
> mercenaries, former Band of Stone & 5000 of his own)? &  I am not sure
> if we worked out Aloria's numbers.  I believe you mentioned that the
> Falmyth & Benemeth's numbers were about 3000 combined.  This does not
> sound like a good chance for victory, not even including the Fae magics,
> so you might want to decide what you do if they are going to attack.  If
> not I will throw the dice and you can determine the result based on the
> roll.

The dukes are certainly not going to attack. They are there to annoy and, 
if push comes to shove, give some good resistance and then pull back. 
In fact, a suprise attack is something they both expect and also slightly
hope for. This is propaganda, not all-out war. (The war part will come later, 
when the dukes have got enough evidence to get support from the others.)

I understand 10000+ vs. 3000 is pretty bad odds for the dukes (a -1 or -2
for the dukes in combat situation), and the dukes understand this, too.
Still, it is enough to provide serious resistance in a well-established
position. If the fae+allies attack them, they will only stay enough to be
able to prove that they were forced out ("without provocation").

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Joel Elfman

Fri

Feb 2
2001

14:13Z

[Ely] [Cel] Results 2842

Will everyone please send me a message confirming that they have my
comments and results from all the players w/ the exception of Aloria &
Nargash.

Joel

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Sakaran

Sat

Feb 3
2001

13:05Z

[Ely] [Cel] Results 2842

Joel
  forgot to mention still haven`t got results
 Matt

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Joel Elfman

Sat

Feb 3
2001

15:52Z

[Ely] [Cel] Results 2842

Matt,

    I will try sending the results in pieces, perhaps you have the same
problem that James has, and it is too large an email to send at one
time.  I have to run out the door today, but I will try tonight or
tomorrow w/ the rest.  Let me know if you get yours.

Joel
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Joel Elfman

Sat

Feb 3
2001

15:54Z

[Ely] [Cel] Results 2842

Eleven Cities, Fae & Helix.  Let me know if these go through.

Joel
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Joel Elfman

Sun

Feb 4
2001

06:35Z

[Ely] [Cel] Final Results 2842 - Aloria, Aunderli & Eleven Cities

Hi,

    Since I have not heard from anyone of you about making changes in
2842 results, I will release these as final.  You can still make changes
or expand the descriptions if you wish as some as you have done in
excellent fashion.

    For the future, after I send comments/results everyone will have one
week to respond.  If I do not hear from you in that time, results will
be listed as final.  If you want or need an extension you only have to
ask.
    I will still consider changes until we publish the next year, but
will limit them to reduce confusion.  Also, you can still make changes
or expand the descriptions if you wish.

Joel
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Sun

Feb 4
2001

06:37Z

[Ely] [Cel] Final Results 2842 - Jumalla, Reyclean, Taseleth & Turunas

Hi,

    Since I have not heard from anyone of you about making changes in
2842 results, I will release these as final.  You can still make changes
or expand the descriptions if you wish as some as you have done in
excellent fashion.

    For the future, after I send comments/results everyone will have one
week to respond.  If I do not hear from you in that time, results will
be listed as final.  If you want or need an extension you only have to
ask.
    I will still consider changes until we publish the next year, but
will limit them to reduce confusion.  Also, you can still make changes
or expand the descriptions if you wish.

Joel
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Joel Elfman

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Feb 4
2001

06:35Z

[Ely] [Cel] Final Results 2842 - Fae, Helix & Hur'Mel

Hi,

    Since I have not heard from anyone of you about making changes in
2842 results, I will release these as final.  You can still make changes
or expand the descriptions if you wish as some as you have done in
excellent fashion.

    For the future, after I send comments/results everyone will have one
week to respond.  If I do not hear from you in that time, results will
be listed as final.  If you want or need an extension you only have to
ask.
    I will still consider changes until we publish the next year, but
will limit them to reduce confusion.  Also, you can still make changes
or expand the descriptions if you wish.

Joel
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