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Celandra is a game in which the players take the roles of societies, rather than playing individual characters. The players will invent a society with its culture and heritage, and will guide its development and interaction with the world. Emphasis will be be placed on developing a detailed history of Celandra, along with myths and legends.
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HurLan
Joel Elfman

Fri

Jul 13
2001

06:24Z

[Ely] elyria 1284 Turanus results

coveney thomas wrote:

> It would seem that building these warships just isnt
> going to work. For over four years we have invested
> huge sums of money and resources and made almost no
> progress at all. The tidal wave "although disastrous
> to all our neighbors" couldnt have come at a better
> time for us. We no longer need these ships to battle
> the agressive Northmarch navy since it is no more.
> This posturing has gone on long enough. It has become
> time that we have a rekoning.
>
> Acton 1 of 4
> Organize the former new hope colonists and recently
> downsized warship workers into a labor guild.
> difficulty: hard
> determinant- trade (Great +2)
> + these men are unemployed and times are hard
> + the benefits of organizing (especially since the
> Senns support it) make joining the guild far superior
> to working alone
> + The Senns have decided to blacklist any former dock
> workers that dont join the constuction guild
>
> A huge bout of unemployment and restlessness came hand
> in hand with the recall of the new hope colonists.
> Turanus is a city built on trade and the utilization
> of resources. Unemployment is bad for the moral of the
> city often causes crime to escalate. The new hope
> colonists are experienced harbor men. They are
> shipbuilders, carpenters, metelurgists, and any number
> of skilled and useful tradesmen. The Senn wish to
> organize them and make sure that they do not stay
> unemployed for long
>

** -1+2+1+1+1 (0000) = +4  The Senn manipulate the formation of the
guild.  And gain a +1 towards all its actions for the next 4 yrs. **


>
> action 2+3
> double action
> Lease the construction guilds to our neighbors in need
> difficulty: hard/player negotiation
> secrecy none
> determinant - trade
> + men go where the money is
> +  relations with aloria/tasleth/aunderli for 3 years
> + the needed work was scouted out a year ago giving
> the lead contractors time to plan activity
> - like always our neighbors are suspicious
>
> (joel - please do any rolling seperate for the three
> nations)
> Aloria
> The new construction guild has been split into four
> sections. One is sent down to the capital of Aloria
> with much fanfare and pageantry. With this workgroup
> the Senn are prepared to bite the bullet and accept
> the work pro bono. The lads of course must be paid but
> it is expected that the Senn will not be taking a
> profit on this work. However it is a danger to the
> entire continent if Alorian wheat is unable to ship
> our from the harbor. The lack of this wheat is causing
> serious economic downfall all over the place and is a
> major component to global trade. Plus it is hoped that
> this unsolicited aid might show good faith on the part
> of turanus with the new Alorian regime and just mabey
> give the Turani merchants a little bit of influence in
> Alorian tax legislation.
> - aditional +/-
>
> + only charging salary and cost of supplies
> + Would Aloria turn down its own citizens offering
> help?
> - Turanus and Aloria proper have a heated history
> - Alorian suspicion would be twice that of the other
> nations
>
>  A second contingent is offered to our favored trading
> partner in Aunderli. It is seen that the wave hit
> Aunderli hard and the Senn wish to shore up our
> already strong relationship with the north. This offer
> is contingent on Aunderli agreeing to continue
> non-interference with our keland/northmarch conflict.
> + Aunderli has nothing to lose and everything to gain
>
>  A third contingent of workers will be offered to
> Tasleth. The Senn are extra careful to include any
> teamster officials in the negotiations so as not to
> step on any toes. It is believed that with The trained
> Turani workers Tasleth may recover from its Tsunami
> woes in half the time it would do so by itself. The
> Senn are hoping that this aid will convince Tasleth to
> move a small army up to the northern border and
> declare for Turanus in the event that the
> Keland/northmarch do not accept their peace demands.
>
> + Tasleth needs the aid
> ? not sure about the tasleth/ keland relations
> - the teamsters would not want see outsiders doing
> work within the country
> - Although it is believed that Keland will sue for
> peace Tasleth probably sees no need to get dragged
> into this skirmish

** This action should be discussed first w/ the other players where you
wish to send construction crews.  Setting up construction sites will
take time.  A cheaper way would be to stay where you are and sell the
boats you build.  You have expanded your facilities and developed an
excellent patrol system, so there has been good that has come out of
your actions.  I believe if you stay the course, you will eventually be
successful in further developing your navy. **


>
> Action 4
> Send peace demands to Keland
> difficulty- very hard (-2)
> + Keland was hit hard by the wave
> + the naval force of Turanis is now huge compared to
> that of Keland
> + or - negotiations with Tasleth may or may not
> contribute to the plus minus

** -2 relations between the two nations are terrible. **
** -1 K/M is vastly larger then Turunas **
** +/-1 - Aloria's reaction to these demands **

>
> "Keland/Northmarch,
>
>       For over a decade our two entities have been
> fighting an undeclared war over the high seas. We of
> Turanus no longer wish to fight this war. It is bad
> for trade and it wastes valuable lives and resources.
> While the battles have been pretty even up to this
> date it seems that the gods were in our favor. A giant
> wave has destroyed your coastline and sunk most of
> your battle fleet. Our harbor was completely spared.
> You no longer have any defences to speak of along your
> coastline. We are prepared to harry your coastline,
> burn your villages, rape, plunder, and destroy your
> populace. You have no ships to protect yourself
> against our fleet. If need be we will bombard all of
> your coastal cities.
>   Howver we of Turanus are merciful men. We will agree
> to stop this from happening should you sign a peace
> contract. The stipulations are as follows. They are
> negotiable but bare in mind that we argue from a
> postion of strength.
>
>   1. A formal apology for the lives of out three
> murdered merchants
>
>   2. The return of their bodies for proper burial
>
>   3. An injunction on any warship building for the
> next 15 years
>
>   4. The handing over of your shipping contracts to
> Turani hands. Since you no longer seem to have many
> ships this shouldnt be to much of a problem for you.
>
>   5. A ten year injunction on protective tariffs aimed
> at Turani goods and services
>
>   6. As a show of good faith we offer to assist you in
> the rebuilding of your ports and harbors however you
> must pay the wage of our men and supply the neccessary
> resources.
>
>            We will suspend all operations against your
> nation until you have sent a reply to these demands.
> We expect the same from your measly forces as well.
>
>               Admiral Gunner T. Oliver
>               commander of the Turani merchant marine
>

** -2+1+1-2-1 (0000) = -3 Keland/Northmarch returns the heads of the 3
merchant marines each sewn to the backside of a jackass.  Included is a
short message, "While our navy is limited, our armies are vast.  If you
choose to harass our shores we will squash Turunas like the small boil
it is and no one will even begin to care about a bunch of overblown
ragsellers.  It is only our desire to maintain good relations w/ your
masters in Aloria that has stayed our hand up to now.
We are formally requesting from Aloria the heads of the all members of
the Council of Senn, their families and confiscation of their lands and
properties to be given to our people in return for your insults.  You
rattle a few kettles like swords and threaten us.  If you wish war, we
shall give you war."
An additional -1 to future relations w/ K/M.

PS - You might want to reconsider the action, although this could make
for an interesting plotline. **

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JtSl
jtsl

Fri

Jul 13
2001

14:59Z

[Ely] elyria 1284 Turanus results

>> Action 4
>> Send peace demands to Keland
>
After a quik look in the disator map.  I felt it was need to point out
for futer refrence that most of Northmarches coast is postioned in Ice
Bay which protected it from  the Disastor.  So their coastal defenceis
are still in working order and most of their Navy is proble still
intacked.  Inly the northern most reaches of Northmarch were afected.
(Were talking about five maybe ten miles.)

Jason

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HurLan
Joel Elfman

Fri

Jul 13
2001

15:48Z

[Ely] elyria 1284 Turanus results

      I have not been able to pull up the maps from
Juuso site at home or at work.  Also messages have
been returned w/ fatal errors from everyone w/ the
suffix gmx.

     W/o the maps I can not disagree w/ Jason's
assessment.  I remember thinking that the disaster was
more extensive to K/M then Jason mentions but perhaps
not the extent that Turunas has in mind.  I will check
maps & recent turn results sometime late tonight.  And
I will attempt to send out results for everyone else
that I have received.  

     Turunas is a small military power and under the
theoretical control of Aloria.  I find it questionable
that these rather intelligent merchants would issue
such a message to much larger power, unless they that
this would be the starting point for negotiations. 
Also, I am not sure that Aloria would approve of such
actions and certainly Nathan might want to get
involved if this is going to be Turunas' official
position.

     I am perfectly willing to accept a different
action if Tom wishes or we can continue to see what
happens, certainly this could provide an interesting
plotline.

     I am starting a long vacation this weekend and
will be away Saturday and Sunday.  I will be back on
Monday just for that day.  On Tuesday, I will leave on
a 2 week vacation and return on the 3oth, so please
send me what you all have for actions and we will get
as much as possible out of the way.

    If Jason &/or Juuso are willing perhaps I can
designate them GMs for the time I am gone so that we
might finish 2845 & start 2846.  Let me know if anyone
objects & if any disputes arise I can resolve them
upon my return.

Joel

--- jtsl@attglobal.net wrote:
> >> Action 4
> >> Send peace demands to Keland
> >
> After a quik look in the disator map.  I felt it was
> need to point out
> for futer refrence that most of Northmarches coast
> is postioned in Ice
> Bay which protected it from  the Disastor.  So their
> coastal defenceis
> are still in working order and most of their Navy is
> proble still
> intacked.  Inly the northern most reaches of
> Northmarch were afected.
> (Were talking about five maybe ten miles.)
> 
> Jason
> 
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HurLan
Joel Elfman

Fri

Jul 13
2001

16:18Z

[Ely] elyria GM Comments

Two quick notes.

1-    Please send your actions to the list so that
everyone might see them.  Other people might be
interested in helping.  The exception is if you have
very serious secret actions then you can send them to
me only.

2-   I encourage everyone to include primary/secondary
determinants in their actions.  If you do not use them
in most cases you are hurting yourself and losing
bonuses that would help your actions succeed.

Joel

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CoveneyThomas
coveney thomas

Fri

Jul 13
2001

18:48Z

[Ely] elyria 1284 Turanus results

I'm going to tone down the action. I am contemplating
on sending out a request for a cease fire and mabey
the beggining of negotiations. I will also be sending
Aloria some mail and attempting to get them into the
peace process. Just give me a day or two to get it
down in writing. 

 Its a shame that my biggest plotline was started with
three players (keland, Adrian, and confederacy) who 
arent around anymore. My goal is more or less to get
out of this conundrum and get my society more involved
in the rest of the world. The part that has players.

Tom


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CoveneyThomas
coveney thomas

Fri

Jul 13
2001

19:10Z

[Ely] Turanus to Aloria

To the magnaminous Alorian government,

  It has come to the attention of Turani Senn Council,
your loyal subjects, that the Alorian coastline was
hard hit by the disastrous Tsunami from the North. We
know that relations between our city and your regime
have been strenous over the years but we truly wish to
prove our loyalty to mother Aloria. We have organized
a crew of over 400 of the highest skilled laborers
available from our now defunct New Hope colony;
laborers which we are prepared to send down the
Coastline and assist in your rebuilding project. The 
coasal port facilities must be rebuilt as soon as
possible and we wish to do our part for the great
Alorian empire. 
    Although we have had our difficulties in the past
we wish you to know that we are greatful for the
protection that being part of Aloria affords us. We
know that as long as we continue to pay our taxes and
follow the laws you leniently oppose on us we will
forever be protected from any nations which would have
the audacity to attack the mightiest warriors in the
land. 
    Thank you for allowing us the priviledge and the
honor of sending our workers to aid you in your
renewal project. 


                 Councilman Lance Armstrong
                 -deputy director of construction
                  

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CoveneyThomas
coveney thomas

Fri

Jul 13
2001

19:41Z

[Ely] Turanus to aunderli

Our dearest neighbors in Aunderli,

 It is with much regret that we have been informed of
your misfortune. It is a strange world in which the
gods would punish the spiritual masters in Aunderli
but spare worthless technocrats such as ourselves.
Strange in deed.

     We offer you our assistance in rebuilding what
the wave has destroyed. We have a contingent of
skilled laborers that we are prepared to send at your
bequest. These men are the pioneers that turned a
worthless rocky island into a thriving harbor and
shipbuilding emporium at the now defunct New Hope
Colony. These are hard men but there are few others
out there that have the technical know how to aproach
a project of such magnitude. 

   Trade between out nations has just recently begun
but profit for both countries seemed iminent and very
fruitful. Then this wave appears and threatens both
our growth. We offer you these men in the hopes that
our two nations can once again join hands and reap
financial benefits. They are prepared to revamp your
main harbor and repair any wave damage on the
coastline. We are also including some master engineers
who are prepared to advice and consult you on your new
colony building expedition. With their training and
experience we believe you can have your new colonies
up and running twice as fast and at half the cost to
yourselves. 

 All we ask in return (other than the cost of
expensives and labor) is your continued goodwill and
the prompt renewel of trade between us. 

            senn (i forgot what i wrote)
            - deputy director of construction


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