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Celandra is a game in which the players take the roles of societies, rather than playing individual characters. The players will invent a society with its culture and heritage, and will guide its development and interaction with the world. Emphasis will be be placed on developing a detailed history of Celandra, along with myths and legends.
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LouisPasztor
Louis Pasztor

Wed

Oct 10
2001

17:43Z

[Cel] [Issues] Wondering...call this email Trouble, then you have a problem

I have been recently told that i am out of the game... so i wonder what i 
have done LATELY to cause this decision? All of the concerns i posted about 
the Tidal Wave before  3-5 months ago. What i have said in the past 2 months 
is trying to negociate, ask the moderator what i can do(which he didn't 
answer the last few), figure out what changes the Tidal Wave would of made 
to the Razanian coast and what they were up to since... So i wonder what i 
have said or done or not do or not said to cause the recent decision? The 
reasons the Moderator gave for kicking me out of the game is the  "trouble" 
i caused before, 3-5 months ago... also mentioned i still continue 
"complaining".... so i am trying to figure out what i said Recently to be 
considered a "complaint"? Is the decision base mainly because the moderators 
are tired of Me? Is it a Collective decision? If So, bit unfair that it was 
done behind my back.
I have been playing for two years, so i have the right to be informed in 
such matters.

I am quite willing to continue playing the Razanians, which I am quite fond 
of...individualists, like me :P Another thing which the Mod brought up... me 
wanting to continue the war? the war ended and turn or two later, Got nailed 
by a tidal wave without being informed of the plans....

Anyway, if this is considered "causing trouble" which is liable to get me 
removed from the email list aswell... then there is something wrong with the 
moderator... and possibly confirming why i got so many badlucks...

Yours Sincerely,
-LMP

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MkeAton
Archangel

Wed

Oct 10
2001

18:55Z

[Cel] [qai] [admin-lmp] 09/06/01

09/06/01 Was the last posted warning.  You replied by breaking rules of
polite converse 09/07/01.  Further, you were warned that societies became
NPS after 3 turns of inactivity.  These actions are the players
responsibility, not the GMs, and, as yet, no policy for "default actions"
exists.  This was reiterated.  (It is purely a matter of logistics on the
part of the GM--default actions are infeasible within the game constraints
and that is a separate discussion)  Your reply was...less than mature.  By
09/09/01 I was dealing with requests to have you banned from the list.  This
was not an individual decision and was based predominantly on your
insistence on turning the list into a running stream of insults.  (Note:
you were NOT banned from the list.)

I have made no secret of what I define as acceptable behavior and converse
on the list and I do not believe that it is an issue for debate.  I also
have no problem with you playing the Razanians if you will play them.
(Stating 'of course they are rebuilding and I don't need to send in
turns--if you weren't stupid, I wouldn't need to tell you that' is not, in
my opinion, playing a society).  However, the burden of proof is now yours;
it is your responsibility to convince the various readers of this list that
you will not fill their e-mail with pointless sniping and insults.  You used
your one 'get out of jail free card' when I did not bump you for cursing on
the list earlier this summer.  It is difficult to accept that you will not
lapse back into old habits after perhaps a few months of good behavior but I
am willing to extend a second chance.  However, understand this--the
responsibility is yours and the leash is very short.  I also do not speak
for everyone involved on this (although I believe they will respect my
decision).  Thus far, you have strongly implied that your problems are with
Jason.  So be it, the dual GM system was long ago instituted to deal with
this situation and, had you been more inclined to a constructive solution,
you could have requested assistance at any time.

So, at the risk of offending the other GMs, let me say this:  If you wish to
play the Razanaians, I will resolve their actions.  I will even go so far as
to ask that you give me a generic rebuilding action which can be applied to
the missing years so that the society will not be unduly hampered.  However,
if I have to go this far out on a limb to give you a second chance, I want
there to be no ambiguities--one more problem, one more complaint, and I will
have no choice but to have you pulled completely.  Most people on this list
already know, I am neither a patient nor kind man--understand that this is
an extremely gregarious offer.  If this is acceptable, I need the actions by
the end of the week.

M. Keaton


A breif personal aside for those who are confused by the "tsunami" issue.
The decision to strike the Qai coasts with a large wave was mine, not
Jason's.  The disaster was provided as an opportunity for society
development, not a punishment.  NO societies suffered enough damage to have
ANY determinants adjusted.  Players of coastal societies could have used
this as an excuse to effectively redesign their people or, at the other end
of the spectrum, they could chose to ignore the event entirely (gee, my
people got wet--oh well, we live on the coast).  I would also like to point
out that this was the first disaster to strike Qai in centuries.  Here in
the States, Fluorida gets at least one hurricane a year.  Japan gets an
earthquake and tsunamii on average of every five.  Chile gets these major
disasters due to volcanic activity on an almost continual basis.  It is not
unreasonable to expect this inclusion of similar natural disassters on the
yearly events.  I believe the tales of the damage of the great wave have
been greatly overstated and I wish to dispell those myths which have arisen.

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LouisPasztor
Louis Pasztor

Wed

Oct 10
2001

19:35Z

[Cel] [qai] [admin-lmp] 09/06/01

Okay, you will get seperate actions of the past for the Merging of 
Tesh-Canor into the Nation of Tenor and for the founding of the Nation of 
Haran. The Recovery actions i have posted in the Razanians 1428.

To quickly say about the tidal wave...Qaiyore is a fantasy game which is 
base on early Medieval to early Renaissance tech. You base your judgement on 
how much damage a tidal wave can cause against Modern Present time cities 
which could easily recover such disasters.

Thank You,
-LMP

...Assumption is the mother of all screw ups...

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