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Celandra is a game in which the players take the roles of societies, rather than playing individual characters. The players will invent a society with its culture and heritage, and will guide its development and interaction with the world. Emphasis will be be placed on developing a detailed history of Celandra, along with myths and legends.
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RulingNations
RulingNations

Sat

Nov 15
2003

19:04Z

[Cel] [World] Religious Background

The web site is effectively silent on religion.  Can anyone give any 
background on this topic?

Jefferson
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Mon

Nov 17
2003

06:17Z

[Cel] [World] Religious Background

What background is there to give?
 
Many of the societies have a basic description of their religion, some have excerpts or quotes from relevant religious texts, but otherwise it would function much as religion does generally.
 
It can have a major role in a society (such as the new Millat Shanar religion that developed in the Calanar desert after the Sinari Wars), or a minimalist role, depending on the direction of the society and the whim of the player.

RulingNations@aol.com wrote:
The web site is effectively silent on religion. Can anyone give any 
background on this topic?

Jefferson
http://www.picotech.net/~jeff_wilson63/rpg/
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AndrewJanssen
Andrew Janssen

Mon

Nov 17
2003

06:53Z

[Cel] [World] Religious Background

--- Ibrahim Dughlas  wrote:
> What background is there to give?

Exactly my thought.

> Many of the societies have a basic description of their religion,
> some have excerpts or quotes from relevant religious texts, but
> otherwise it would function much as religion does generally.
>  
> It can have a major role in a society (such as the new Millat Shanar
> religion that developed in the Calanar desert after the Sinari Wars),
> or a minimalist role, depending on the direction of the society and
> the whim of the player.

Really, there are two kinds or flavors of religion in Celandra. There's
what you might call 'Confucian' type, where it's not so much a religion
with a god or pantheon as it is a collection of ethical precepts. Then
there's the 'Classic Fantasy' type, where the religion's members are
actively worshipping and in some way interacting with a Being or Beings
in the Dreaming. Some Beings are more activist than others, witness
Alatta(arguably an exceptional case), Sin-Alb, and Arean(in Elyria).

And of course, there's the Creator, but no society, as far as I know,
worships him directly; indeed, I doubt that there's any way for a
creature with any part in the material to contact him. It's probably
better that way, given the way Authority magic works; by my reading of
the Celandra backstory, the only Authority that is *exclusively* held
and undelegated by the Creator is Authority over Time, and a good
thing, too. For that reason, most forms of Divination magic don't work
terribly well in Celandra. If you want to know what happened in the
past in some place, you need to summon the ghost or spirit of someone
who was there, and ask them. As for prophecy, Beings may hand down
prophecies to their worshippers, but they have to stack the deck in the
present in order to fulfill the prophesized future, and even then, the
Beings well-laid plans may be disrupted by the Free Will of their human
agents.

Or, in other words, if a Being wants to give Its high priest a prophecy
for events happening over the next five years, It needs to have spent
the previous 500 years setting things up, at least, and even then,
things still may go awry. The only Being who might conceivably be
capable of giving a completely accurate prophecy is the Creator, and as
I said above, that Being doesn't talk to *anyone*(certainly not to
anyone in Celandra, and probably not in the Dreaming.)

Andrew
> RulingNations@aol.com wrote:
> The web site is effectively silent on religion. Can anyone give any 
> background on this topic?
> 
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RulingNations
RulingNations

Tue

Nov 18
2003

12:31Z

[Cel] [World] Religious Background

In a message dated 11/16/03 11:17:51 PM Mountain Standard Time, 
ibrahimunderwood@yahoo.com writes:

>  What background is there to give?

Oh, what they do, how they operate, who's in control, their relations with 
governments and other religions, what powers they have.  You know; RELIGION.

>  Many of the societies have a basic description of their religion, some 
have 
> excerpts or quotes from relevant religious texts,

This is belief. Beliefs are no more religions than political platforms are 
governments.

> but otherwise it would function much as religion does generally.

There's no such thing as "religion generally."  What do you mean?

In a message dated 11/16/03 11:54:47 PM Mountain Standard Time, 
andrewdj54701@yahoo.com writes:

>  Really, there are two kinds or flavors of religion in Celandra. There's
>  what you might call 'Confucian' type, where it's not so much a religion
>  with a god or pantheon as it is a collection of ethical precepts. Then
>  there's the 'Classic Fantasy' type, where the religion's members are
>  actively worshipping and in some way interacting with a Being or Beings
>  in the Dreaming.

These are not religions.  These are beliefs.  HOW the precepts are applied 
and HOW the deity is worshiped THAT'S religion.

Jefferson (Exquaestio)
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AndrewJanssen
Andrew Janssen

Tue

Nov 18
2003

16:19Z

[Cel] [World] Religious Background

--- RulingNations@aol.com wrote:



> In a message dated 11/16/03 11:54:47 PM Mountain Standard Time, 
> andrewdj54701@yahoo.com writes:
> 
> >  Really, there are two kinds or flavors of religion in Celandra.
> There's
> >  what you might call 'Confucian' type, where it's not so much a
> religion
> >  with a god or pantheon as it is a collection of ethical precepts.
> Then
> >  there's the 'Classic Fantasy' type, where the religion's members
> are
> >  actively worshipping and in some way interacting with a Being or
> Beings
> >  in the Dreaming.
> 
> These are not religions.  These are beliefs.  HOW the precepts are
> applied 
> and HOW the deity is worshiped THAT'S religion.

Er, I think we may be like the blind men trying to describe an
elephant; we've each focused on one part of the whole. What you're
talking about isn't all of religion, it's religious doctrine. As for
myself, I hesitate to call what most "Classic Fantasy"-type religious
adherents do "belief". Most Beings who take on divine roles in Celandra
are activist enough that faith isn't necessary; their worshippers have
tangible evidence of their existence--even non-worshippers of a
particular god still acknowledge the fact that the god exists.

Andrew
> Jefferson (Exquaestio)
> http://www.picotech.net/~jeff_wilson63/rpg/
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RulingNations
RulingNations

Sat

Nov 29
2003

21:41Z

[Cel] [World] Religious Background

In a message dated 11/18/03 9:20:22 AM Mountain Standard Time, 
andrewdj54701@yahoo.com writes:

>  Er, I think we may be like the blind men trying to describe an
>  elephant; we've each focused on one part of the whole. What you're
>  talking about isn't all of religion, it's religious doctrine.

No it's not.  I'm talking about religious practice and organization

>  As for
>  myself, I hesitate to call what most "Classic Fantasy"-type religious
>  adherents do "belief". Most Beings who take on divine roles in Celandra
>  are activist enough that faith isn't necessary; their worshippers have
>  tangible evidence of their existence--even non-worshippers of a
>  particular god still acknowledge the fact that the god exists.

Which is why the _PRACTICE_ of religion is so important.  The gods are 
obviously getting _something_ out their churches, but religious practice is our only 
clue to what it might be.

Jefferson
http://www.picotech.net/~jeff_wilson63/rpg/
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AndyMilburn
Andy Milburn

Mon

Dec 1
2003

13:29Z

[Cel] [World] Religious Background

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RulingNations@aol.com wrote:In a message dated 11/18/03 9:20:22 AM Mountain Standard Time, 
andrewdj54701@yahoo.com writes:

> Er, I think we may be like the blind men trying to describe an
> elephant; we've each focused on one part of the whole. What you're
> talking about isn't all of religion, it's religious doctrine.

No it's not. I'm talking about religious practice and organization

> As for
> myself, I hesitate to call what most "Classic Fantasy"-type religious
> adherents do "belief". Most Beings who take on divine roles in Celandra
> are activist enough that faith isn't necessary; their worshippers have
> tangible evidence of their existence--even non-worshippers of a
> particular god still acknowledge the fact that the god exists.

Which is why the _PRACTICE_ of religion is so important. The gods are 
obviously getting _something_ out their churches, but religious practice is our only 
clue to what it might be.

Jefferson
http://www.picotech.net/~jeff_wilson63/rpg/
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