
Since people don't care for my attempts at theology, what about the following: Though little recognized, the disaster which created the Eerith caused scars which still affect Qaiyore today. Religiously it became important not to unite the worship of different deities. Cults and priesthoods became very separated and a polite disinterest in differing religious practices became a tradition secrecy and division. Magic was also affected. Group magic, never common, was questioned and faded into oblivion. The voluntary use of non-mages as supporters in magic was anathematized. Socially, rulers began permitting more independence and initiative from their followers; eventually leading to the modern republics. Jefferson (Exquaestio) http://www.picotech.net/~jeff_wilson63/rpg/ ---------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, send mail to celandra-off@phoenyx.net.
I am not arguing with you, I am just explaining what I have been working on for the Mirish relgion. Thanks for makeing me think about it a little. Mir is Panthistical. People on Mir tend to worship a couple of Gods. The Goddess Miracradsa is almost universally worshiped on Mir, but people also worship other gods as well. Outside of Mirabalpur people tend to also worship Gods, with in the original mirish Pantheon, that relate to their living in addition to Miracradsa. In Mirabalpur you have a wider diversity of nationalities. Thoughs who's family have lived in Mir for two generations or more and thoughs who are Mirish worship Miracradsa, but they also worship other Gods, for some it is gods who relate to there living, others it is the god who was from there ancestrol home (Like Lucia and others). Miracradsa is the Zeus or Odin or Ra of the Mirish Pantheon but with even more focus. The creator is also reconized, though not really worshiped since he does not call a priesthood. The Sorcerers of Mir are also priests. Most of them are for Miracradsa, but the other dieites do have priests who are Sorcerers. The Archmage is High Priest of Miracradsa. So they actolly do uses there dieties for a little of there powers. Not all of their power. They do uses other sources as well. I am still working on it, but honestly it is noy high on my list of projects. :) Thanks Jason --- RulingNations@aol.com wrote: > Since people don't care for my attempts at theology, > what about the > following: > > Though little recognized, the disaster which created > the Eerith caused > scars which still affect Qaiyore today. > > Religiously it became important not to unite the > worship of different > deities. Cults and priesthoods became very separated > and a polite > disinterest in differing religious practices became > a tradition > secrecy and division. > > Magic was also affected. Group magic, never common, > was questioned and > faded into oblivion. The voluntary use of non-mages > as supporters in > magic was anathematized. > > Socially, rulers began permitting more independence > and initiative from > their followers; eventually leading to the modern > republics. > > Jefferson (Exquaestio) > http://www.picotech.net/~jeff_wilson63/rpg/ > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, send mail to celandra-off@phoenyx.net. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you’re looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com ---------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, send mail to celandra-off@phoenyx.net.
In a message dated 3/9/04 10:29:17 PM Mountain Standard Time, tosa_mir@yahoo.com writes: > I am not arguing with you, I am just explaining what I > have been working on for the Mirish religion. Thanks > for making me think about it a little. > > Mir is Pantheistical. I think you mean POLYtheist. > People on Mir tend to worship a > couple of Gods. The Goddess Miracradasa is almost > universally worshiped on Mir, but people also worship > other gods as well. Outside of Mirabalpur people tend > to also worship Gods, with in the original Mirish > Pantheon, that relate to their living in addition to > Miracradasa. In Mirabalpur you have a wider diversity > of nationalities. Those who's family have lived in > Mir for two generations or more and those who are > Mirish worship Miracradasa, but they also worship other > Gods, for some it is gods who relate to there living, > others it is the God who was from there ancestral home > (Like Lucia and others). > > Miracradasa is the Zeus or Odin or Ra of the Mirish > Pantheon but with even more focus. A ruling god cannot be too focused or it will lose worshipers to those seeking aide in other ways. How is the worship of Miracradasa focused? > The creator is also recognized, though not really > worshiped since he does not call a priesthood. > > The Sorcerers of Mir are also priests. Most of them > are for Miracradasa, but the other deities do have > priests who are Sorcerers. The Archmage is High > Priest of Miracradasa. So they actually do uses there > deities for a little of there powers. Not all of > their power. They do uses other sources as well. What powers does Miracradasa give to her chosen? Does she ever give powers to non-mages? Jefferson (Exquaestio) http://www.picotech.net/~jeff_wilson63/rpg/ ---------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, send mail to celandra-off@phoenyx.net.
--- RulingNations@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 3/9/04 10:29:17 PM Mountain > Standard Time, > tosa_mir@yahoo.com writes: > > > I am not arguing with you, I am just explaining > what I > > have been working on for the Mirish religion. > Thanks > > for making me think about it a little. > > > > Mir is Pantheistical. > > I think you mean POLYtheist. Yes I did. They still have a pantheon of Gods though. > > People on Mir tend to worship a > > couple of Gods. The Goddess Miracradasa is > almost > > universally worshiped on Mir, but people also > worship > > other gods as well. Outside of Mirabalpur people > tend > > to also worship Gods, with in the original Mirish > > Pantheon, that relate to their living in addition > to > > Miracradasa. In Mirabalpur you have a wider > diversity > > of nationalities. Those who's family have lived > in > > Mir for two generations or more and those who are > > Mirish worship Miracradasa, but they also worship > other > > Gods, for some it is gods who relate to there > living, > > others it is the God who was from there ancestral > home > > (Like Lucia and others). > > > > Miracradasa is the Zeus or Odin or Ra of the > Mirish > > Pantheon but with even more focus. > > A ruling god cannot be too focused or it will lose > worshipers to those > seeking aide in other ways. How is the worship of > Miracradasa focused? When I was talking about focus I was talking about that most people in Mir worship her. In refrence that people don't just pay homage or acknowledge her as the head of the Mirish Pantheon but a large chunck of people worship her activly. She is not just focused on one aspect. She is the Goddess of magic, yes, she is also the the Protector of Mir, yes, she is also a Goddess of Family and Home. Most people outside of Mir think of her as just the Goddess over Magic though. She does have a Priesthood who are found in the Brotherhood of Sorcery. She does have a temple and/or a shrine in every village, town, city. > > The creator is also recognized, though not really > > worshiped since he does not call a priesthood. > > > > The Sorcerers of Mir are also priests. Most of > them > > are for Miracradasa, but the other deities do > have > > priests who are Sorcerers. The Archmage is High > > Priest of Miracradasa. So they actually do uses > there > > deities for a little of there powers. Not all of > > their power. They do uses other sources as well. > > What powers does Miracradasa give to her chosen? > Does she ever give powers > to non-mages? Most of her "choosen" as you call them, that would not really a good word though, do become Mages as a gift from her. Others do recieve gifts from her and that is on a individual level. Usally blessing are in the nature of helping the family are common. Thoughs blesings very though. Jason __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html ---------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, send mail to celandra-off@phoenyx.net.
Since the religious situation in Celandra does not bear any significant resemblance to real world beliefs, I would urge people to stop using the term "pantheon" in any discussion of religious belief or organization. I would suggest the term "polytheon" in its place. Jefferson (Exquaestio) http://www.picotech.net/~jeff_wilson63/rpg/ ---------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, send mail to celandra-off@phoenyx.net.
Both words have meaning useful to the discussion (and both are usually misused). At least, let us try to use the word we actually mean instead of what comes to mind quickly. Pantheism is a worship of all gods or the belief that "god is everywhere in everything". Pantheon, generically, is the gods of a people, taken as a whole. For purposes of our discussion, a pantheon would thus entail all gods which a given people are aware of or acknowledge. Polytheism is the opposite of monotheism--the belief in/worship of many gods. A semantic problem emerges for most people because pantheism and pantheon do not share the same meaning despite their common linguistic origin. Polytheists have pantheons, pantheists do not. (Monotheists have one true God and typically a pseudo-pantheon of 'false gods/demons'.) To give an in game example, the Onagir with their belief in the obeah are pantheists. Mir, following Miracradasa as their chosen god from amoung many, is a polytheist nation. Since Mir knows of and acknowledges the worship of Lucia, Lucia (along with Miracradasa et. al.) is part of Mir's pantheon. The Eerith espouse the utter sovergienty of the Creator. If they dismissed Lucia as a false god, they would be pure monotheists. As it is, they believe that Lucia, Miracradasa, et. al. are facets of the Creator and don't repudiate them. This makes them soft (or accomodating) Monotheists with Lucia as part of their pseudo-pantheon. (Confused? Studying cultural mythography is like getting hit in the head with a stick.) If it helps, the short form is this: theisms (poly or pan) are beliefs. Pantheons are lists. Sorry for being pedantic, MK ----- Original Message ----- From:To: Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 10:13 PM Subject: Re: [Cel] [World] Trying It Again > Since the religious situation in Celandra does not bear any significant > resemblance to real world beliefs, I would urge people to stop using the term > "pantheon" in any discussion of religious belief or organization. I would suggest > the term "polytheon" in its place. > > Jefferson (Exquaestio) > http://www.picotech.net/~jeff_wilson63/rpg/ > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, send mail to celandra-off@phoenyx.net. ---------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, send mail to celandra-off@phoenyx.net.
In a message dated 3/18/04 9:27:47 AM Mountain Standard Time, dfsolley@comcast.net writes: >Both words have meaning useful to the discussion (and both are usually >misused). At least, let us try to use the word we actually mean instead >of what comes to mind quickly. Pantheism is a worship of all gods Incorrect. >or the belief that "God is everywhere in everything". That's one way of putting it. Another is "Everything is God." Yet another is, "Any object has as much a spirit as a human." However pantheists have their own blind spots. Tell one, "I'm talking to the spirit of the middle third of the distance between those two trees, and you'll get some strange looks at the least. >Pantheon, generically, is the gods of a people, taken as a whole. The gods of a _culture_, not a people. >For purposes of our discussion, a pantheon would thus entail all gods >which a given people are aware of or acknowledge. Precisely the attitude I'm trying to avoid by coining the word "polytheon." In Celandra people wouldn't find it at all unusual that Mars is not Ares, but Pele is Brigid (for example). This sort of situation isn't like anything historical. To put it another way; using your above definition Celandra only has one pantheon: all the deities of the dreaming. We need a term which breaks things up finer than that, which is why I proposed "polytheon." >Polytheism is the opposite of monotheism--the belief in/worship of many >gods. Polytheism and monotheism are not opposites. They can coexist quite comfortably and in varying degrees within the same religion. The same is true of Polytheism and Pantheism. Monotheism and Pantheism are the opposites. They cannot coexist comfortably together. Jefferson http://www.picotech.net/~jeff_wilson63/rpg/ ---------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, send mail to celandra-off@phoenyx.net.
(This is actually a backhanded way of apologizing for the fact that, even if I tried to switch and use your definitions, I'm too old and thickheaded to do it consistently. I'd create more confusion rather than less. Again, my apologies but I'm going to use words according to their definitions and try to be clear by context.) >Pantheism is a worship of all gods > > Incorrect. I'm picking nits now but, for the record: Pantheism: 2. the worship of all gods. Webster's Unabridged Dictionary, 1983 This is significant only in that, because of this, polytheism IS NOT the opposite of Monotheism. If a culture believes either (a) all gods are an aspect of One God (such as the Eerith), or (b) there is only one god (nuances of omnipresence), then they are both mono- and polytheistic. Polytheism, by its very definition (Webster again), is the opposite of Monotheism. These are tiny matters and I certianly do not wish to incite an agument about them. If it helps the rest of the list to agree on alternative definitions, I say use them and I'll do what I can to keep up. As another alternative, we can not use any of the confusing words and take an extra sentence to be very specific about what we mean. Frazer used specific phrases in his work; things like: known named dieties, known implied dieties, theoretical pantheon, applied pantheon, etc. Would it be that hard to do something similar? For example, actually just say: Mir believes there are multiple gods. They do not condemn worship of any god which they would deem 'good'. Mir knows of the following six gods...Mir also knows that there are gods for...Of the gods which Mir acknowledges, this one might be the same as that one from this culture...Even though Mir has knowledge of all these gods, only the following three actually recieve any kind of attention...and so on. I just can't shake the feeling that we are needlessly complicating the discussion (and I know I'm one of the worst for doing it). What are we actually after at the end of the day? Using a narrowed definition of Polytheism, we still actually only end up with a list of gods for the website (per society). If that's all we need, I don't care if we call it pantheon, polytheon, or Doug--it's just a list. If we need something other than that, then the definitions don't help us anyway. I don't have a good answer but I can't shake the feeling that we've overanalyzed the issue into a bigger matter than it needs to be. MK ---------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, send mail to celandra-off@phoenyx.net.
See!!! Even in my own words I make a fool of myself by mixing up the words. In the sentence below, I wrote "polytheism IS NOT" when I ment "pantheism IS NOT". They both start with a 'p' and I'm easily confused. We need better words. Theodicy might work but it's an ugly word. What about Mythos? The gods of the XYZsociety mythos is intuitively clear to a newcomer but distinctive enough to restrict the discussion. I know, I know, it's still not perfect but _I_ need to get out of the 'p's because _I_ get confused. mk > This is significant only in that, because of this, polytheism IS NOT the > opposite of Monotheism. If a culture believes either (a) all gods are an > aspect of One God (such as the Eerith), or (b) there is only one god > (nuances of omnipresence), then they are both mono- and polytheistic. > Polytheism, by its very definition (Webster again), is the opposite of > Monotheism. ---------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, send mail to celandra-off@phoenyx.net.
In a message dated 3/21/04 8:51:44 PM Mountain Standard Time, dfsolley@comcast.net writes: >>Pantheism is a worship of all gods >> >>Incorrect. > >I'm picking nits now but, for the record: > >Pantheism: 2. the worship of all gods. >Webster's Unabridged Dictionary, 1983 True enough. I've never seen it used properly with that definition though. [Corrected:] >This is significant only in that, because of this, pantheism IS NOT the >opposite of Monotheism. If a culture believes either (a) all gods are an >aspect of One God (such as the Eerith), or (b) there is only one god >(nuances of omnipresence), then they are both mono- and pantheistic. Websters: pantheism 1. The doctrine or belief that God is not a personality, but that all laws, forces, manifestations, etc. of the self-existing universe are God; the belief that God is everything and everything is God. monotheism 1. The doctrine of or belief in the existence of only one god. According to Webster's your (a) is polytheism, you (b) is monotheism. >Polytheism, by its very definition (Webster again), is the opposite of >Monotheism. With all due respect to Webster's, antonyms are one of those areas where they frequently fail. ----- However, everything above is really irrelevant and I won't discuss it further. I'm not talking about definitions, I'm talking about attitudes and assumptions. The FACT is that the situation on Celandra is different from anything in history or myth. That means the same terms _cannot_ hold the same meanings. Better to coin new terms than use terms which do not apply. As an analogy, consider a ringworld (ala Niven). It is a physical impossibility for such a ringworld to hold onto an atmosphere. Why? Because a ringworld doesn't have gravity, it has spin, and spin doesn't "grip." This fact is easily overlooked as long as you refer to the ringworld as having "gravity" or "pull." Because the situation is completely different you need to avoid using terms which lead to improper assumptions. That is _exactly_ what this group is group is doing when using the all the terms in this discussion. The thecology (divine ecology) of Celandra differs from our world's, and, like a ringworld's "gravity" and a world's _gravity_, the same term does not mean the same thing. >As another alternative, we can not use any of the confusing words and >take an extra sentence to be very specific about what we mean. Frazer >used specific phrases in his work; things like: known named deities, >known implied deities, theoretical pantheon, applied pantheon, etc. >Would it be that hard >to do something similar? Unfortunately this doesn't resolve the issue of people using the terms inappropriately, which is what I'm trying to address. [snip] >I just can't shake the feeling that we are needlessly complicating the >discussion (and I know I'm one of the worst for doing it). The discussion is being complicated because people are bringing up issues which have nothing to do with the point I'm looking at. >What are we actually after at the end of the day? A pattern of religious belief which makes sense within the existing structure of Celandra. This may be part of the problem. I don't really _care_ what the beliefs in Mir, or any other individual area are. Exquaestio has to deal with religion over an extremely large area and so I need to understand religion over a very large area. As it currently exists the pattern makes no sense. >Using a narrowed definition of Polytheism, we still actually only end >up with a list of gods for the website (per society). If that's all we >need, I don't care if we call it pantheon, polytheon, or Doug--it's >just a list. If we need something other than that, then the definitions >don't help us anyway. _Existing_ definitions won't help us, which is why I suggested coining new terms to get around the assumptions inherent in the existing terms. >I don't have a good answer but I can't shake the feeling that we've >overanalyzed the issue into a bigger matter than it needs to be. I disagree. We haven't "overanalyzed the issue" because no one besides me has even touched "the issue" in the first place. Jefferson http://www.picotech.net/~jeff_wilson63/rpg/ ---------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, send mail to celandra-off@phoenyx.net.
I hope this help. It is not ment to pick on anyone so sorry if you think it does. I have to agree with Keaton. Let us not uses any terms at all. Let us simple describe what we want instead of using terms, after all writing skills is something we are supposed to be working on. Also people look at things diffrently, and two people may agree on a defenition but that does not mean they see it the same way. So we will never really be able to come to an agreement on terms. As we can see from using old terms. Besides even if we make new terms people will still disagree on there meaning. Again people may agree on a definition but the meaning or uses of that deffiniton may be worlds apart, and that will not change by makeing some new ones. Besides having onced GMed this game I can tell you there are enough new terms in the game that most new players take a while to understand the once that are already there. So inventing new terms would not help anyone, especially new terms that relate to a subject most will have not familiarity in real life. If someone is explaing something and uses a term that you "think" they used out of context ask them to explain in the long writen out version. That also helps them improve there writing skills (I am talking a lot about my self here.) I hope that I have helped with the issue, I am guessing it was makeing new terms. If not, a clear stament on what it is, since I am missing what the real point is, would be helpful Jason Heaps PS: I do have to disagree on your statement that the religions of celandra bear no resblance to mythology or history on this world. I am not going to take time to explain were I see similarities here. :) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html ---------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, send mail to celandra-off@phoenyx.net.
My web-based emailer doesn't handle replies very well. However, I wanted to respond to a couple of points that struck me about the last message: There may not *be* a single way to view deity on Celandra. It has attracted beings from all over the Dreaming, each of whom not only bring their own viewpoints but also their very own physical laws. For some regions, God *is* in everything, and one can be granted a measure of authority over it all. In other areas, Matter is simply a distraction which confuses living creatures, and the Gods' focus is the energy of souls and will; they gain some measure of benefit from worship and return some Authority to their priests. In other areas, Authority works by much more arcane means and Mirrish Poly(or-whatever-)theist beliefs function poorly at best. A single faith trying to cover a large area will discover that truths /aren't/ and useful knowledges in one area are wholly irrelevant in others. The beliefs and motivations of the population in that area are applied after the changing nature of reality, and this makes religious perspectives appear to be a real patchwork from 'above'. (Of course, this could all be entirely false, too, but it might help explain some of the contradictions y'all are fighting). I do understand your frustration, Jefferson. I often find myself trying to explain rather arcane bits of code (I'm a programmer) to non-technical people. When they appear most unwilling to address 'important' issues, I often find I need to change what I'm asking before they can understand. Their own priorities get in the way of their understanding my concerns. Bob This message was sent through MyMail http://www.mymail.com.au ---------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, send mail to celandra-off@phoenyx.net.
In a message dated 3/9/04 8:47:19 PM Mountain Standard Time, RulingNations@aol.com writes: >Since people don't care for my attempts at theology, what about the >following: [snipped] So, judging by the fact that there haven't been any negative comments can I assume that this post works for people? Jefferson http://www.picotech.net/~jeff_wilson63/rpg/ ---------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, send mail to celandra-off@phoenyx.net.
--- RulingNations@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 3/9/04 8:47:19 PM Mountain > Standard Time, > RulingNations@aol.com writes: > > >Since people don't care for my attempts at > theology, what about the > >following: > > [snipped] > > So, judging by the fact that there haven't been any > negative comments can I > assume that this post works for people? >Religiously it became important not to unite the >worship of different deities. Cults and priesthoods >became very separated and a polite disinterest in >differing religious practices became a tradition >secrecy and division. Mir does unit worship of different deities. True they do not unit the worship all the time but worshiping multiply Gods in Mir, and the Priesthoods are not separate in Mir The different priest of different Gods, while they have individual priesthoods, are found in the Brotherhood of Sorcery. >Magic was also affected. Group magic, never common, >was questioned and faded into oblivion. The voluntary >use of non-mages as supporters in magic was >anathematized. What is your definition of Group magic. Under my definition Mir practices it all the time. Also Mir uses the Librarians and the Archivist of Mirabalpur, who are not mages, in many magical castings. The current uses of the Archivist and Librarians in the study of the Obeah, or the opening of the Dreaming, the most common being the wards placed on the hidden vaults of the Library and Archives. Jason __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html ---------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, send mail to celandra-off@phoenyx.net.
--- Jason Heapswrote: > --- RulingNations@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 3/9/04 8:47:19 PM Mountain > > Standard Time, > > RulingNations@aol.com writes: > > > > >Since people don't care for my attempts at > > theology, what about the > > >following: > > > > [snipped] > > > > So, judging by the fact that there haven't been any > > negative comments can I > > assume that this post works for people? > > >Religiously it became important not to unite the > >worship of different deities. Cults and priesthoods > >became very separated and a polite disinterest in > >differing religious practices became a tradition > >secrecy and division. > > Mir does unit worship of different deities. True they > do not unit the worship all the time but worshiping > multiply Gods in Mir, and the Priesthoods are not > separate in Mir The different priest of different > Gods, while they have individual priesthoods, are > found in the Brotherhood of Sorcery. > > >Magic was also affected. Group magic, never common, > >was questioned and faded into oblivion. The voluntary > >use of non-mages as supporters in magic was > >anathematized. > > What is your definition of Group magic. Under my > definition Mir practices it all the time. Also Mir > uses the Librarians and the Archivist of Mirabalpur, > who are not mages, in many magical castings. The > current uses of the Archivist and Librarians in the > study of the Obeah, or the opening of the Dreaming, > the most common being the wards placed on the hidden > vaults of the Library and Archives. Perhaps a possible explanation could be that Group Magic faded in the rest of Qaiyore *because* it was associated with Mir. That is, back when the Mystical Realm of Mir encompassed almost the entire continent, Group Magic was one of the key tools(with the Dragons and the Flying City) the Mir used to maintain their control over their empire. Because of this past history, that form of magical practice has been negatively perceived by many of the MidSea nations. Andrew > Jason > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. > http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, send mail to celandra-off@phoenyx.net. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html ---------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, send mail to celandra-off@phoenyx.net.
In a message dated 3/21/04 4:45:07 PM Mountain Standard Time, tosa_mir@yahoo.com writes: > What is your definition of Group magic? Group magic is when two or more magically talented individuals join together to produce an effect which is greater than the sum of what they could produce individually. For example, two mages, who could each control weather in a one mile radius, combine to control weather in a two mile radius. > Under my > definition Mir practices it all the time. Also Mir > uses the Librarians and the Archivist of Mirabalpur, > who are not mages, in many magical castings. The > current uses of the Archivist and Librarians in the > study of the Obeah, or the opening of the Dreaming, > the most common being the wards placed on the hidden > vaults of the Library and Archives. The espiri can accept Authority from quaestae to increase the power of their own spells. In the example above, for instance, an espiri might use ten quaestae instead of a single additional mage. This may, of course, be simply an aspect of their granted Authority, but I think its more likely a natural but generally undeveloped aspect of magic in general. Jefferson http://www.picotech.net/~jeff_wilson63/rpg/ ---------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, send mail to celandra-off@phoenyx.net.
--- RulingNations@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 3/21/04 4:45:07 PM Mountain > Standard Time, > tosa_mir@yahoo.com writes: > > > What is your definition of Group magic? > > Group magic is when two or more magically talented > individuals join together > to produce an effect which is greater than the sum > of what they could produce > individually. For example, two mages, who could > each control weather in a one > mile radius, combine to control weather in a two > mile radius. I agree. That is my deffinition as well. Mir does group magic on a regular bases. Jason Heaps __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html ---------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, send mail to celandra-off@phoenyx.net.
In a message dated 3/23/04 11:07:35 AM Mountain Standard Time, tosa_mir@yahoo.com writes: > I agree. That is my definition as well. Mir does > group magic on a regular bases. Aside from the coteries, what things does Mir use group magic for? Jefferson (Exquaestio) http://www.picotech.net/~jeff_wilson63/rpg/ ---------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, send mail to celandra-off@phoenyx.net.
--- RulingNations@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 3/23/04 11:07:35 AM Mountain > Standard Time, > tosa_mir@yahoo.com writes: > > > I agree. That is my definition as well. Mir > does > > group magic on a regular bases. > > Aside from the coteries, what things does Mir use > group magic for? Wards, Spells with a large effect area. Or just spells that take a lot of energy. Opening the Gateway into the dreaming required group magic, Open the eerith prision. Stuff along that nature and also other spells that aren't as big. Jason Heaps __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/ ---------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, send mail to celandra-off@phoenyx.net.