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Celandra is a game in which the players take the roles of societies, rather than playing individual characters. The players will invent a society with its culture and heritage, and will guide its development and interaction with the world. Emphasis will be be placed on developing a detailed history of Celandra, along with myths and legends.
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RaFry
Robert Fry

Sun

May 2
2004

21:46Z

[Cel] [World] Miracradsa & Ka'Shari

My own thought re: Miracradsa and the Ka'Shari is that she would be acknowledged, but as her magic is almost entirely Authority, the Ka'Shari emphasis on Essence and attention on their own Goddesses would mean she has few if any adherents among those people.

Since Ka'Shari are relatively unaccepting of alternate faiths (they know they're right, after all, and all the rest of Celandra are wrong), that would also make her less attractive.

I'd think that other regions that either de-emphasize magic or emphasize Essence rather than Authority would also find little room for Miracradsa.

  Bob

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JasonHeaps
Jason Heaps

Mon

May 3
2004

01:59Z

[Cel] [World] Miracradsa & Ka'Shari

I was excluding the Ka'Shari to begin with since they
came into Midsea after the Mirish Empire.  

I am not argeing with you, but Miracradsa is the
Goddess of Magic, both Authority and Essence.  In many
ways praticing either magic works for her.  She grants
authority to thoughs who seek it from her, but she
also encourages the study of all magic, and she
encourages Essence just as much.  She is not just the
goddess of authority.  So I am not saying that all
magic users worshiper her.  I am saying though that
they (with the exception of Ka'Shari) proble
acknowldge her, and the magic users proble respect
her.  Also other culture may have changed her name so
the it losses the "Mirish" tant but when they are
pushed they would acknowldge that Miracradsa and the
other name are for the same goddess.  Again I am not
say that she would be universally worshiped but I
think she would not just be a complete mirish entite. 
Mir had to much influence over the content for almost
a 1000 years.  We still feel the influence of the
Roman Empire even 1500 years later.

Jason

--- rafry@ozemail.com.au wrote:
> My own thought re: Miracradsa and the Ka'Shari is
> that she would be acknowledged, but as her magic is
> almost entirely Authority, the Ka'Shari emphasis on
> Essence and attention on their own Goddesses would
> mean she has few if any adherents among those
> people.
> 
> Since Ka'Shari are relatively unaccepting of
> alternate faiths (they know they're right, after
> all, and all the rest of Celandra are wrong), that
> would also make her less attractive.
> 
> I'd think that other regions that either
> de-emphasize magic or emphasize Essence rather than
> Authority would also find little room for
> Miracradsa.
> 
>   Bob
> 
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> http://www.mymail.com.au
> 
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RaFry
Robert Fry

Mon

May 3
2004

07:25Z

[Cel] [World] Miracradsa & Ka'Shari

Hmm... I wasn't intending that message to be argumentative. It was just my reaction to earlier statements based on the parts of Celandra's history I've absorbed. However, I have to respectfully disagree that Mir's prior hegemony would mean that people still worship her gods. To use the example of Rome, few people today worship Hera, Zeus, et al, even though many of their ideals still influence modern philosophy. Even though Gods in Celandra have a stronger physical reality than they do on Earth, knowing a god is real is still a far cry from worshipping them -- especially when locally-grown deities provide more immediate and tangible benefits.

>From my own perspective (not just as Ka'Shari), knowing a being exists and is powerful still doesn't mean I have to worship it. Worshippers of Miracradsa no doubt exist all over Qaiyore and her worship is permitted/acknowledged in many areas -- but I still have trouble imagining the Sinari, say, having enough worshippers of Miracradsa to be noticed. Or even Hisaria, or other lands where magic and religion are closely intertwined in a way that rejects Mir. After all, not all Gods of Magic are made equal -- even if Miracradsa is the most powerful such god active in Celandra, I have trouble imagining no other Being from the Dreaming has been willing to take advantage of her inattention to horn in on some of her prerogatives.

I am sorry if I misunderstood Miracradsa's role as goddess of all magic. I had assumed that, since Mir does not /appear/ to put much stock in Essence, she would not care about those magics which come from other directions of thought. Essence seemed a likely, simple-to-understand, field of magic which might have been taken over by other powers. (The ancestors of Obeah, for example).

The rest of my message was directed more at why the Ka'Shari attend other gods than her than at why she might not be appropriate for them. If the scope of her authority is greater than I had guessed, I'll stand corrected.

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