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Celandra is a game in which the players take the roles of societies, rather than playing individual characters. The players will invent a society with its culture and heritage, and will guide its development and interaction with the world. Emphasis will be be placed on developing a detailed history of Celandra, along with myths and legends.
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RulingNations
RulingNations

Thu

Jul 22
2004

03:28Z

[Cel] NPC Societies

I would like to suggest that every game turn or two we select an NPC Society 
to discuss, update, and expand upon.  That way the NPCS's won't get too far 
out of date, everyone has a chance to contribute, and no one is overloaded.  
(We'll also gradually move things to one location instead of having the pages 
spread across two sites.)

I'd suggest that we begin with the societies whose current pages are most out 
of date.  For 1447, I think that's Videssia.

Jefferson (Exquaestio)
http://www.picotech.net/~jeff_wilson63/rpg/Exq_Main.html
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IbrahimDughlasGa
ibrahim

Wed

Jul 28
2004

00:31Z

[Cel] =?US-ASCII?Q?Consequences_of_1445_-_Kaeir?=

It was a stormy evening when the Senate assembled in the Republican
Palace in  Kingsbane Keep overlooking Port Kaeir.  Lord-Consul Jafaarsan
stood at the head of the Senate table, looking at the faces shadowed
intermittently by the flickering lamps of the chamber of state, and the
lightning outside. While he stood, the Senatorial Guard opened the doors
to the chamber, letting in Lord-Senator von Kahshaar and his entourage.
As Von Kahshaar settled in, Jafaarsan sat down and called the Senate to
order.

Immediately Lord-Senator Balriq Talrayn, a son of Port Kaeir by Mirrish
descent (though not a true Mirrish Creole), stood and immediately
reminded the Senate why they had gathered at such a late hour.  

"Lords of the Senate, we have endured ten years of war.  The people grow
weary, the Republic is secure.  Cedonia has joined the republican fold,
and Taltheran is torn apart by civil war.  There is no benefit to us to
join in this civil war in Taltheran.  After all, we are Kaeirean, not
Taltherani. What is worse, in this foolish endeavour supported by the
Lord-Consul and the Commander of the Expeditionary Forces respectively
has embarrassed us by our ineptitude.  Even worse, Lord Admiral Gregor
Ulricovic, the Admiral of the Seas is dead.  One of the founding fathers
of the Republic, one of the original conspiratorial triumvirate of the
Revolution, is dead.  Lord Basiluddin has retired from politics, and now
our most experienced admiral is dead.  Only Lord-Senator Cyril van
Fitzlyri, much respect to you O Commander, continues his service in the
Senate.

"As many of you know already, the Admiral of the Seas died in the
blockade of Tal, when the Kaeirean Fleet was beset by a storm, and the
flagship The Green Flag was driven on the rocks where it smashed, all
hands aboard perishing.  What most of you don't know, save Lord-Senator
von Kahshaar there I wager", motioning towards the recently arrived
Information Secretariat-General, "is that the Captains of the Fleet had
already decided to lift anchor and return to Port Kaeir.  They had
delayed returning for two days, using the first to deliberate on a
candidate for the new Admiral of the Seas, and the second to allow their
fastest sloop to race ahead and inform the Senate of their decision
before their arrival.  I can only assume that the Captains, in their
anger, have taken as their prerogative the right to choose the Admiral
of the Seas.  The question is whether we shall tolerate this",
Lord-Senator Talrayn finished before resuming his seat.

Lord-Senator von Kahshaar echoed Talrayn from his seat, refusing to
stand: "Talrayn is correct.  We must decide whether this action should
be tolerated.  But we must also address the other question Talrayn
mentioned - war and its consequences.

" I suggest that we accept the Fleet's candidate, though delay the
public acceptance and confirmation of the candidate.  After all, only
the Senate may make executive appointments.  

"As for the second question, with respect to the Lord-Consul, I urge
peace as well.  We only narrowly succeeded in the Tirmaeiri Campaign,
and involvement in a protracted dispute in Taltheran would tax us
unbearably.  The cost of fighting even part of Taltheran would be
unbearable in our current state of fatigue.  Furthermore, the people I
believe are becoming impatient.  True peace is needed to restore
prosperity and commerce, and to allow Kaeirean ships to enter Midsea
ports safely as ships of trade.

"Thirdly though, I suggest we make a carefully worded suggestion to our
comrades in Cedonia to aid the Saltrim Enclave in Taltheran.  Cedonia
would certainly benefit from involvement in Taltheran, and would help to
counterbalance Mirrish influence in the North-East."

After Von Kahshaar, the Senators one by one stood, giving their opinion.
Some argued for Von Kahshaar's stance, some against.  As expected, the
Basiluddinists urged for involvement in the Taltherani conflict, while
the rest urged moderation.  The Greens though were quite, having been
taken by surprise with several of the issues at hand, and awaiting the
opinion of the Consul.

"And what of the Lord-Consul?" piped the Lord-Mayor of Port Kaeir, "we
have not heard from you, O Jafaarsan", looking at him fervently.

Finally, Jafaarsan stirred.  He had not moved since he had first called
the Senatorial session to order.  He had sat, listening to the arguments
and discussions of his peers.  "Lord-Senators", he finally intoned,
"Talrayn and Von Kahshaar are right.  We have stretched ourselves too
far.  For ten years the Guard have been on campaign in some form, as has
the Fleet.  We have not known true peace since the Revolution.  Youth
have grown into manhood thinking war-time to be normalcy.  Therefore I
support the General-Secretariat's proposal regarding the fleet, and his
proposal regarding peace.  The loss of the Admiral of the Seas is great,
but he died in a just cause and He Who Is One will reward him for that."

Across the table,  a handful of senators murmured a reverant response,
reminding the rest of the room of the new source of difference in the
Senate.  

"Superstition!", cried Lord-Senator Talrayn, his face twisted in rage.

"Ulricovic, that great compatriot of the Republic, his life was thrown
away by your foolish involvement of Kaeir in the Taltherani civil war.
We do not belong there.  No prayers shall bring him back, nor provide
sufficient legitimate cause for his loss.  You and Basiluddin have one
thing in common now, diseased minds.  Your nonsensical beliefs only
undermine the Republic. If you have any sense you should resign the
Consulship!  Then you can go live amongst your sand-dwelling brothers,
and liberate us from your madness!

"Your compounding of error can be seen in your support of this
ridiculous Cedonian proposal.  How shall we benefit from encouraging
ancient Cedonia to exercise its imperial muscles?  Even if it assists a
Taltherani Republic to be born, which is questionable, how free shall it
be?  And how long before mighty Cedonia intervenes in Kaeir, and brings
us into their new Imperium?", screamed Talrayn.

Silence echoed in the chamber.  The faces revealed the loyalties, and
shifted loyalties.  Clearly many of Lord-Admiral Ulricovic's old friends
agreed with Talrayn, including a number of Green senators, and
Lord-Commander van Fitzlyri.  The Millati Senators, obviously did not,
supporting their brother in faith, Jafaarsan.  And the Basiluddinists
gave no inkling of their disposition.  To Jafaarsan's mind, Talrayn was
now the focal point of opposition to his rule of the Senate, and a man
to watch and, if possible, overcome.

Not showing any response to Talrayn's brief tirade, Jafaarsan stood and
quietly stated:  "this the first matter before us:  the candidate for
Admiral of the Seas, the ceasing of involvement in the Taltheran affair,
and an agreement with Cedonia to resolve the Taltheran problem.  I
propose on the latter we enter into an agreement with Cedonia to assist
each other in the event of the Taltherani dispute overflowing either of
our borders.  That is the matter at hand.  Vote."  Jafaarsan sat.




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AndrewJanssen
Andrew Janssen

Wed

Jul 28
2004

05:05Z

[Cel] Consequences of 1445 - Kaeir

Ibrahim wrote:

>It was a stormy evening when the Senate assembled in the Republican
>Palace in  Kingsbane Keep overlooking Port Kaeir.  Lord-Consul Jafaarsan
>stood at the head of the Senate table, looking at the faces shadowed
>intermittently by the flickering lamps of the chamber of state, and the
>lightning outside. While he stood, the Senatorial Guard opened the doors
>to the chamber, letting in Lord-Senator von Kahshaar and his entourage.
>As Von Kahshaar settled in, Jafaarsan sat down and called the Senate to
>order.
>
>  
>


>Not showing any response to Talrayn's brief tirade, Jafaarsan stood and
>quietly stated:  "this the first matter before us:  the candidate for
>Admiral of the Seas, the ceasing of involvement in the Taltheran affair,
>and an agreement with Cedonia to resolve the Taltheran problem.  I
>propose on the latter we enter into an agreement with Cedonia to assist
>each other in the event of the Taltherani dispute overflowing either of
>our borders.  That is the matter at hand.  Vote."  Jafaarsan sat.
>
>
>  
>
Thalcedon:
Raden Ghere sauntered into Theran Rinn's office, and flopped down in the 
chair before the desk. "You wanted to see me, Theran?"

"Yes, that's right," said the Councillor for Foreign Affairs. "I wanted 
your opinion on some feelers the Kaeiran Republic's been sending towards 
our Ambassador there. I realize that you're tied up with 'special 
projects', but your pre-war experience might be invaluble on this."

Raden snorted derisively. "I was Empress Yzara's go-fer and dogsbody, 
Theran. I kept the Palace running and the Empress happy, that's all."

"Laugh if you wish, Raden, but as Palace Chamberlain, you were closer to 
Yzara than anyone else in the current government, save the Duke of 
Caladyn. You saw how she ran the Empire, which is more than any of us 
can say."

"All right, I take your point. So, what does our sister republic want 
with us?"

Rinn leaned back in his chair. "Well, our Ambassador to Kaeir recently 
attended a party in Port Kaeir, hosted by Lord-Senator Von Kahshaar. 
Several merchants and senators were present, mostly Millati, but a few 
Basiluddinists. During the party, the Ambassador was taken aside by one 
of Von Kahshaar's aides, who rather diffidently inquired as to the 
possibility of Cedonia intervening in the Taltherani Civil War, 
specifically in Saltrim."

Ghere raised an eyebrow. "This was not, I take it, an official 
communication?"

"No, anything but," replied Rinn. "The Ambassador reported that he got 
the definite feeling that Von Kahshaar was considering making a move in 
the Senate. Possibly to suggest a partition of Taltheran. However, a 
week later, the Ambassador went to a party hosted by members of 
Lord-Senator Talrayn's faction, where he was asked about our response to 
Kaeir's possible withdrawal from Taltheran. In both cases, the 
Ambassador refused to make any commitments one way or the other before 
communicating with us."

"A wise man," said Ghere. "In my opinion, getting involved in the 
Taltherani snake pit would be a grave mistake. The army needs to 
rebuild, our economy needs to recover; the only good reason for getting 
involved in Taltheran would be if the civil war there spills outside its 
borders. Although, I do admit that possession of Saltrim's port would 
help in certain respects."

"Hm. As you know, our current foreign policy is to avoid entanglements 
abroad until we've put our domestic house in order. Still," said Rinn, 
"Dr. Vellin and I have been discussing certain changes."

"Changes?"

"Before the Sinari War, Taltheran controlled the Tal River up to Wyr and 
slightly beyond. Since the war, the area's full of tribals, and the 
cities of Wyr and Hadrair are in ruins. As a result, the trade routes to 
Hisaria and Hria have been cut. So, rather than trying to expand at the 
expense of our civilized neighbors, we expand into the tribal regions 
and civilize them. Kasovia, the Tal-Wyr Valley, the Hansari and Morvali."

"An interesting thought," replied Ghere. "Will you propose it to the 
Council?"

"We were thinking the next session, but now, I think we'll wait and see 
which way the Kaeiran Senate jumps."

*************
Andrew

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IbrahimDughlasGa
ibrahim

Wed

Jul 28
2004

07:05Z

[Cel] Consequences of 1445 - Kaeir

Councilor Theran,

Greetings comrade, and salutations to the majestic Cedonian Republic.

My representatives in Cedonia inform me, as do my officials who have
talked to your representatives here in Port Kaeir, that the unofficial
Cedonian position towards the Taltheran issue is non-involvement.

The current consensus here in Kaeir is towards non-involvement, though
certainly would favour some involvement.  What I suggest to your
honourable self is perhaps that both our countries could supply the
proto-republican party in the Taltherani conflict, the Saltrim Conclave.
Such aid could be repayed in terms of recognition of respective claims.
Furthermore, a Taltherani Republic would look favourably upon both our
governments.  

Secondly, as the only two republics in the western Midsea, I suggest
your honourable self that we should consider improving our political,
diplomatic and commercial ties.  Many a kingdom would dislike the rise
of states that have rejected the principle of the crown.

Thirdly, closer ties such as the previous two items but can only
strengthen both republics, and hinder the influence of certain states
that have been traditionally opposed to Cedonian influence.  I need not
mention which other state vies for influence in the Midsea.

I send my personal envoy and cousin, Sir Khalrudh von Kahshaar of the
Diplomatic Corp of the Kaeirean Information Secretariat, along with this
message, to continue discussion in this matter, if you should so desire.
He is empowered to make decisions and agreements as I have dictated to
him, which should expediate any discussions with your government.

Sincerely,

Lord-Senator Karl von Kahshaar,
Secretariat-General of the Information Secretariat of the Republic of
Kaeir


 


-----Original Message-----
From: bounces@phoenyx.net [mailto:bounces@phoenyx.net] On Behalf Of
Andrew Janssen
Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 1:05 PM
To: celandra@phoenyx.net
Subject: Re: [Cel] Consequences of 1445 - Kaeir


Ibrahim wrote:

>It was a stormy evening when the Senate assembled in the Republican
>Palace in  Kingsbane Keep overlooking Port Kaeir.  Lord-Consul 
>Jafaarsan stood at the head of the Senate table, looking at the faces 
>shadowed intermittently by the flickering lamps of the chamber of 
>state, and the lightning outside. While he stood, the Senatorial Guard 
>opened the doors to the chamber, letting in Lord-Senator von Kahshaar 
>and his entourage. As Von Kahshaar settled in, Jafaarsan sat down and 
>called the Senate to order.
>
>  
>


>Not showing any response to Talrayn's brief tirade, Jafaarsan stood and
>quietly stated:  "this the first matter before us:  the candidate for 
>Admiral of the Seas, the ceasing of involvement in the Taltheran 
>affair, and an agreement with Cedonia to resolve the Taltheran problem.

>I propose on the latter we enter into an agreement with Cedonia to 
>assist each other in the event of the Taltherani dispute overflowing 
>either of our borders.  That is the matter at hand.  Vote."  Jafaarsan 
>sat.
>
>
>  
>
Thalcedon:
Raden Ghere sauntered into Theran Rinn's office, and flopped down in the

chair before the desk. "You wanted to see me, Theran?"

"Yes, that's right," said the Councillor for Foreign Affairs. "I wanted 
your opinion on some feelers the Kaeiran Republic's been sending towards

our Ambassador there. I realize that you're tied up with 'special 
projects', but your pre-war experience might be invaluble on this."

Raden snorted derisively. "I was Empress Yzara's go-fer and dogsbody, 
Theran. I kept the Palace running and the Empress happy, that's all."

"Laugh if you wish, Raden, but as Palace Chamberlain, you were closer to

Yzara than anyone else in the current government, save the Duke of 
Caladyn. You saw how she ran the Empire, which is more than any of us 
can say."

"All right, I take your point. So, what does our sister republic want 
with us?"

Rinn leaned back in his chair. "Well, our Ambassador to Kaeir recently 
attended a party in Port Kaeir, hosted by Lord-Senator Von Kahshaar. 
Several merchants and senators were present, mostly Millati, but a few 
Basiluddinists. During the party, the Ambassador was taken aside by one 
of Von Kahshaar's aides, who rather diffidently inquired as to the 
possibility of Cedonia intervening in the Taltherani Civil War, 
specifically in Saltrim."

Ghere raised an eyebrow. "This was not, I take it, an official 
communication?"

"No, anything but," replied Rinn. "The Ambassador reported that he got 
the definite feeling that Von Kahshaar was considering making a move in 
the Senate. Possibly to suggest a partition of Taltheran. However, a 
week later, the Ambassador went to a party hosted by members of 
Lord-Senator Talrayn's faction, where he was asked about our response to

Kaeir's possible withdrawal from Taltheran. In both cases, the 
Ambassador refused to make any commitments one way or the other before 
communicating with us."

"A wise man," said Ghere. "In my opinion, getting involved in the 
Taltherani snake pit would be a grave mistake. The army needs to 
rebuild, our economy needs to recover; the only good reason for getting 
involved in Taltheran would be if the civil war there spills outside its

borders. Although, I do admit that possession of Saltrim's port would 
help in certain respects."

"Hm. As you know, our current foreign policy is to avoid entanglements 
abroad until we've put our domestic house in order. Still," said Rinn, 
"Dr. Vellin and I have been discussing certain changes."

"Changes?"

"Before the Sinari War, Taltheran controlled the Tal River up to Wyr and

slightly beyond. Since the war, the area's full of tribals, and the 
cities of Wyr and Hadrair are in ruins. As a result, the trade routes to

Hisaria and Hria have been cut. So, rather than trying to expand at the 
expense of our civilized neighbors, we expand into the tribal regions 
and civilize them. Kasovia, the Tal-Wyr Valley, the Hansari and
Morvali."

"An interesting thought," replied Ghere. "Will you propose it to the 
Council?"

"We were thinking the next session, but now, I think we'll wait and see 
which way the Kaeiran Senate jumps."

*************
Andrew

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IbrahimDughlasGa
ibrahim

Wed

Jul 28
2004

07:10Z

[Cel] Consequences of 1445 - Kaeir

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Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 3:06 PM
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Subject: Re: [Cel] Consequences of 1445 - Kaeir


The current consensus here in Kaeir is towards non-involvement, though
certainly would favour some involvement.  What I suggest to your
honourable self is perhaps that both our countries 
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Should read:  "though certain parties would favour some involvement"


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JuhaVesanto
juuso

Sun

Aug 15
2004

20:04Z

[Cel] NPC Societies

RulingNations@aol.com wrote:
> I would like to suggest that every game turn or two we select an NPC Society 
> to discuss, update, and expand upon.  That way the NPCS's won't get too far 
> out of date, everyone has a chance to contribute, and no one is overloaded.  
> (We'll also gradually move things to one location instead of having the pages 
> spread across two sites.)
> 
> I'd suggest that we begin with the societies whose current pages are most out 
> of date.  For 1447, I think that's Videssia.

IMHO, this is a great idea. Thanks, Jeff.

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