Little is known of the ancient culture whose ruins dot Videssia, save for the discoveries made during the era of Agatius Fossern. What scholarly investigation that has occurred of the multitude of ruins have been unable to decipher the unknown script and language of the ancients. Similiarities between the physiology of the ancients depicted in the iconography found in the ruins, and the remnant aborigines suggests some link, though the exact connection is unknown. What aboriginal legends and myths that have been related though tell of forebears that could "walk the worlds" and "drink the sun", though most interesting the central aboriginal myth of the Father of the Nations. ================================ Confidentiality Statement and Disclaimer ================================ This message is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed and contains information that is privileged and confidential. If you, the reader of this message, are not the intended recipient, you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this communication. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by return email and delete the original message. Thank you. ---------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, send mail to celandra-off@phoenyx.net.
Great minds think alike. I actually wrote the following before I received your post. ----- The Legions of Spirit Prelude An Onagir Story Long and long ago, when the gods of the farm-men were different, a different tribe of farm-men lived by the shore of the middle sea. These men were builders and stacked great piles of stone for their rulers and gods to live. Their obeah set great stones in patterns that they might control the song. In their ignorance of the song, the farm-men obeah sought within the dreaming. They desired to stand outside the song that they might control it better. (Of course, to stand outside the song is to lose the song, but these farm-men obeah truly were that ignorant.) Within the Dreaming they sought, and so they found a tribe they thought would serve. These others had no bodies of their own, living only in the bodies of men. Such men gained great gifts, but lost reason and memory, for such was the food of these others. Some men fed the others on minds not their own, but all such eventually lost themselves to others. In time the builder-men woke their danger, but by that time the others had bred themselves to many hundreds. The war between these others and the builder-men lasted many-many seasons. Many of their stone piles were torn down. Many of their stone patterns were scattered. Families were torn apart and met in battle. In the end, the builder-men defeated the others. When the last of the others gathered, the builder-men struck against them and the others were prisoned until the builder-men recovered enough to slay them. Then, though, the builder-men turned against each other. Like a mammoth wounded to certain death but yet living, the battles between the others and the builder-men had slain the builder-men tribe. A few survivors fled into Onagir hands. Among us these survivors told their tale. The descendants of those who fled the builder-men live among us today. The rest of the builder-men died and trees grew to cover their stones. (to be continued) Jefferson (Exquaestio) http://www.picotech.net/~jeff_wilson63/rpg/Exq_Main.html ---------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, send mail to celandra-off@phoenyx.net.
Ibrahim wrote: > Little is known of the ancient culture whose ruins dot Videssia, save > for the discoveries made during the era of Agatius Fossern. What > scholarly investigation that has occurred of the multitude of ruins have > been unable to decipher the unknown script and language of the ancients. > Similiarities between the physiology of the ancients depicted in the > iconography found in the ruins, and the remnant aborigines suggests some > link, though the exact connection is unknown. What aboriginal legends > and myths that have been related though tell of forebears that could > "walk the worlds" and "drink the sun", though most interesting the > central aboriginal myth of the Father of the Nations. I would like to point out that the whole concept of 'archeaology' is unlikely to exist on Qaiyore at this time. This doesn't actually affect the above, but I though it worth mentioning since it's a limitation I've run into a couple times. Jefferson (Exquaestio) http://www.picotech.net/~jeff_wilson63/rpg/Exq_Main.html ---------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, send mail to celandra-off@phoenyx.net.
In the European equivalent, archaeology of sorts would still have been part of Philosophy, as would most sciences. Philosophers in the equivalent age would have speculated on the possible origin of ruins, and any easily viewed writings/engravings/monuments. Ibrahim -----Original Message----- From: bounces@phoenyx.net [mailto:bounces@phoenyx.net] On Behalf Of Jefferson Wilson Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2004 7:12 AM To: celandra@phoenyx.net Subject: Re: [Cel] Note on the Ancient Culture of Pre-Orasareni Videssia Ibrahim wrote: > Little is known of the ancient culture whose ruins dot Videssia, save > for the discoveries made during the era of Agatius Fossern. What > scholarly investigation that has occurred of the multitude of ruins > have been unable to decipher the unknown script and language of the > ancients. Similiarities between the physiology of the ancients > depicted in the iconography found in the ruins, and the remnant > aborigines suggests some link, though the exact connection is unknown. > What aboriginal legends and myths that have been related though tell > of forebears that could "walk the worlds" and "drink the sun", though > most interesting the central aboriginal myth of the Father of the > Nations. I would like to point out that the whole concept of 'archeaology' is unlikely to exist on Qaiyore at this time. This doesn't actually affect the above, but I though it worth mentioning since it's a limitation I've run into a couple times. Jefferson (Exquaestio) http://www.picotech.net/~jeff_wilson63/rpg/Exq_Main.html ---------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, send mail to celandra-off@phoenyx.net. ================================ Confidentiality Statement and Disclaimer ================================ This message is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed and contains information that is privileged and confidential. If you, the reader of this message, are not the intended recipient, you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this communication. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by return email and delete the original message. Thank you. ---------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, send mail to celandra-off@phoenyx.net.
Ibrahim wrote: > In the European equivalent, archaeology of sorts would still have been > part of Philosophy, as would most sciences. Philosophers in the > equivalent age would have speculated on the possible origin of ruins, > and any easily viewed writings/engravings/monuments. Hmmm, this gives me to think. Lots of European artifacts were associated with: the early biblical giants, noah's flood, or the descendants of Goliath. What might similar artifacts be connected to on Qaiyore? Jefferson (Exquaestio) http://www.picotech.net/~jeff_wilson63/rpg/ ---------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, send mail to celandra-off@phoenyx.net.
Jefferson Wilson wrote: >Ibrahim wrote: > > > >>In the European equivalent, archaeology of sorts would still have been >>part of Philosophy, as would most sciences. Philosophers in the >>equivalent age would have speculated on the possible origin of ruins, >>and any easily viewed writings/engravings/monuments. >> >> > >Hmmm, this gives me to think. Lots of European artifacts were >associated with: the early biblical giants, noah's flood, or the >descendants of Goliath. What might similar artifacts be connected to on >Qaiyore? > > > Good question. I'd imagine that interpretations of archeological artifacts would depend heavily on the cultural affiliations of those who find them. As far as sources of ruins and artifacts go, these are the major historical ones, so far: * In a region stretching from the Northern MidSea and Razanian Coasts to roughly Bel'Adne, one can find the ruins of the initial Avaeran civilization on Qaiyore. The ruins and artifacts found there are anywhere from 4100 to 4600 years old. Most of these ruins have been thoroughly picked over. * During the 940 years that Mir dominated the MidSea, many cities were wrecked by dragonfire or by Annaeyana, the Floating City. Ruins from this period are anywhere from 1400 to 2100 years old. Of particular note, the Kingdom of Avaerand planted settlements in the jungles of northern Qaiyore which fell into ruin with the destruction of Avaerand in BE427(1800 years ago). The wizards and sorcerors of Avaerand delved deeply into the darkest of magics, and while the Mages of Mir believe that they destroyed the Avaeran remnants, it is possible that one or more of the Avaerandi cities lie undisturbed in the northern jungles, still containing dangerous and baleful artifacts of dark magic. * There are a lot of ruins along the Southern MidSea, from three major time periods: The first invasion of the Ice Demons, roughly 1800 years ago; the Cedonia-Torphan war for possession of East Torphan and Parglug, roughly 750 years ago; and the second invasion of the Ice Demons, 166 years ago. Most of the ruins from these periods are of castles and forts; the people often rebuilt their cities on the ruins of the old. This list doesn't include prehistoric ruins, of which little has been said. But I suspect that Qaiyore has its dolmens, trilithons, and monoliths, to say nothing of stone circles. There are cultures that simply haven't been mentioned yet, too. Andrew >Jefferson (Exquaestio) >http://www.picotech.net/~jeff_wilson63/rpg/ > > >---------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, send mail to celandra-off@phoenyx.net. > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, send mail to celandra-off@phoenyx.net.
Along this line - what about the unnamed archipelago the the east of Qaiyore? Certainly there seems to be no reference to it on the website. Is it something along the lines of Easter Island, or one of the pre-European Caribbean or Pacific islands? Or a more developed culture like pre-European Malaya-Indonesia or Japan? (I'd wager it would be more primitive, if inhabited, since it isn't part of the Qaiyorean trade network) Ibrahim -----Original Message----- From: bounces@phoenyx.net [mailto:bounces@phoenyx.net] On Behalf Of Andrew Janssen Sent: Monday, August 02, 2004 4:36 PM To: celandra@phoenyx.net Subject: Re: [Cel] Note on the Ancient Culture of Pre-Orasareni Videssia Jefferson Wilson wrote: >Ibrahim wrote: > > > >>In the European equivalent, archaeology of sorts would still have been >>part of Philosophy, as would most sciences. Philosophers in the >>equivalent age would have speculated on the possible origin of ruins, >>and any easily viewed writings/engravings/monuments. >> >> > >Hmmm, this gives me to think. Lots of European artifacts were >associated with: the early biblical giants, noah's flood, or the >descendants of Goliath. What might similar artifacts be connected to on >Qaiyore? > > > Good question. I'd imagine that interpretations of archeological artifacts would depend heavily on the cultural affiliations of those who find them. As far as sources of ruins and artifacts go, these are the major historical ones, so far: * In a region stretching from the Northern MidSea and Razanian Coasts to roughly Bel'Adne, one can find the ruins of the initial Avaeran civilization on Qaiyore. The ruins and artifacts found there are anywhere from 4100 to 4600 years old. Most of these ruins have been thoroughly picked over. * During the 940 years that Mir dominated the MidSea, many cities were wrecked by dragonfire or by Annaeyana, the Floating City. Ruins from this period are anywhere from 1400 to 2100 years old. Of particular note, the Kingdom of Avaerand planted settlements in the jungles of northern Qaiyore which fell into ruin with the destruction of Avaerand in BE427(1800 years ago). The wizards and sorcerors of Avaerand delved deeply into the darkest of magics, and while the Mages of Mir believe that they destroyed the Avaeran remnants, it is possible that one or more of the Avaerandi cities lie undisturbed in the northern jungles, still containing dangerous and baleful artifacts of dark magic. * There are a lot of ruins along the Southern MidSea, from three major time periods: The first invasion of the Ice Demons, roughly 1800 years ago; the Cedonia-Torphan war for possession of East Torphan and Parglug, roughly 750 years ago; and the second invasion of the Ice Demons, 166 years ago. Most of the ruins from these periods are of castles and forts; the people often rebuilt their cities on the ruins of the old. This list doesn't include prehistoric ruins, of which little has been said. But I suspect that Qaiyore has its dolmens, trilithons, and monoliths, to say nothing of stone circles. There are cultures that simply haven't been mentioned yet, too. Andrew >Jefferson (Exquaestio) http://www.picotech.net/~jeff_wilson63/rpg/ > > >---------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, send mail to celandra-off@phoenyx.net. > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, send mail to celandra-off@phoenyx.net. ================================ Confidentiality Statement and Disclaimer ================================ This message is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed and contains information that is privileged and confidential. If you, the reader of this message, are not the intended recipient, you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this communication. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by return email and delete the original message. Thank you. ---------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, send mail to celandra-off@phoenyx.net.
Ibrahim wrote: >Along this line - what about the unnamed archipelago the the east of >Qaiyore? Certainly there seems to be no reference to it on the website. > >Is it something along the lines of Easter Island, or one of the >pre-European Caribbean or Pacific islands? Or a more developed culture >like pre-European Malaya-Indonesia or Japan? (I'd wager it would be more >primitive, if inhabited, since it isn't part of the Qaiyorean trade >network) > >Ibrahim > > > >Um. Odds are that at one time the Ancient Avaerans settled there, as the Avaerans' big claim to fame was being the first sailors on Celandra. While the islands may not be trading with the continent, they're probably visited by the Celpalari, who don't have much contact with the MidSea. Culturally, if not necessarily geographically, that archipelago is linked to the Avaeran Islands. IIRC, Golaren and Celpalar are the southwestern end of the chain; Receylan, Dagorthoria, and the Bitter Isles in Elyria are the northeastern end of the chain; and the central island of Avaerand was destroyed in the incident that created Annaeyana, devastating the central region of the island chain and cutting the safest sea route between Qaiyore and Elyria. Come to think of it, there probably might be some very interesting ruins on the island of Golaren. On an unrelated note, there seems to have been some calender slippage. The last turn of the Elyria game recorded was 2844, which, according to the old Qaiyore website, converts to the Qaiyorean year 1622. Our current game year of 1446, works out to the Elyrian year 2667. Any thoughts on this? It's important, because the last turn of the Elyria game referenced events which took place 15-20 game years ago in Qaiyore. Andrew ---------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, send mail to celandra-off@phoenyx.net.
The language map shows only Golaren and Celpalar as being inhabited - meaning the unnamed group of islands to the south of Celpalar and directly east of the Razanian Kingdoms may be uninhabited (no language). Could such a large group of islands be uninhabited? If so, why? Ibrahim -----Original Message----- From: bounces@phoenyx.net [mailto:bounces@phoenyx.net] On Behalf Of Andrew Janssen Sent: Monday, August 02, 2004 5:24 PM To: celandra@phoenyx.net Subject: Re: [Cel] Note on the Ancient Culture of Pre-Orasareni Videssia Ibrahim wrote: >Along this line - what about the unnamed archipelago the the east of >Qaiyore? Certainly there seems to be no reference to it on the >website. > >Is it something along the lines of Easter Island, or one of the >pre-European Caribbean or Pacific islands? Or a more developed culture >like pre-European Malaya-Indonesia or Japan? (I'd wager it would be >more primitive, if inhabited, since it isn't part of the Qaiyorean >trade >network) > >Ibrahim > > > >Um. Odds are that at one time the Ancient Avaerans settled there, as the Avaerans' big claim to fame was being the first sailors on Celandra. While the islands may not be trading with the continent, they're probably visited by the Celpalari, who don't have much contact with the MidSea. Culturally, if not necessarily geographically, that archipelago is linked to the Avaeran Islands. IIRC, Golaren and Celpalar are the southwestern end of the chain; Receylan, Dagorthoria, and the Bitter Isles in Elyria are the northeastern end of the chain; and the central island of Avaerand was destroyed in the incident that created Annaeyana, devastating the central region of the island chain and cutting the safest sea route between Qaiyore and Elyria. Come to think of it, there probably might be some very interesting ruins on the island of Golaren. On an unrelated note, there seems to have been some calender slippage. The last turn of the Elyria game recorded was 2844, which, according to the old Qaiyore website, converts to the Qaiyorean year 1622. Our current game year of 1446, works out to the Elyrian year 2667. Any thoughts on this? It's important, because the last turn of the Elyria game referenced events which took place 15-20 game years ago in Qaiyore. Andrew ---------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, send mail to celandra-off@phoenyx.net. ================================ Confidentiality Statement and Disclaimer ================================ This message is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed and contains information that is privileged and confidential. If you, the reader of this message, are not the intended recipient, you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this communication. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by return email and delete the original message. Thank you. ---------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, send mail to celandra-off@phoenyx.net.
Ibrahim wrote: >The language map shows only Golaren and Celpalar as being inhabited - >meaning the unnamed group of islands to the south of Celpalar and >directly east of the Razanian Kingdoms may be uninhabited (no language). > >Could such a large group of islands be uninhabited? If so, why? > >Ibrahim > > > > Juuso is of course the last word on this, but I wouldn't take the language map as being definitive on whether a region is inhabited or not. Andrew > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: bounces@phoenyx.net [mailto:bounces@phoenyx.net] On Behalf Of >Andrew Janssen >Sent: Monday, August 02, 2004 5:24 PM >To: celandra@phoenyx.net >Subject: Re: [Cel] Note on the Ancient Culture of Pre-Orasareni Videssia > > >Ibrahim wrote: > > > >>Along this line - what about the unnamed archipelago the the east of >>Qaiyore? Certainly there seems to be no reference to it on the >>website. >> >>Is it something along the lines of Easter Island, or one of the >>pre-European Caribbean or Pacific islands? Or a more developed culture >> >> > > > >>like pre-European Malaya-Indonesia or Japan? (I'd wager it would be >>more primitive, if inhabited, since it isn't part of the Qaiyorean >>trade >>network) >> >>Ibrahim >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Um. Odds are that at one time the Ancient Avaerans settled there, as the > >Avaerans' big claim to fame was being the first sailors on Celandra. >While the islands may not be trading with the continent, they're >probably visited by the Celpalari, who don't have much contact with the >MidSea. Culturally, if not necessarily geographically, that archipelago >is linked to the Avaeran Islands. IIRC, Golaren and Celpalar are the >southwestern end of the chain; Receylan, Dagorthoria, and the Bitter >Isles in Elyria are the northeastern end of the chain; and the central >island of Avaerand was destroyed in the incident that created Annaeyana, > >devastating the central region of the island chain and cutting the >safest sea route between Qaiyore and Elyria. > >Come to think of it, there probably might be some very interesting ruins > >on the island of Golaren. > >On an unrelated note, there seems to have been some calender slippage. >The last turn of the Elyria game recorded was 2844, which, according to >the old Qaiyore website, converts to the Qaiyorean year 1622. Our >current game year of 1446, works out to the Elyrian year 2667. Any >thoughts on this? It's important, because the last turn of the Elyria >game referenced events which took place 15-20 game years ago in Qaiyore. > >Andrew >---------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, send mail to celandra-off@phoenyx.net. > > >================================ >Confidentiality Statement and Disclaimer >================================ >This message is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed and contains information that is privileged and confidential. If you, the reader of this message, are not the intended recipient, you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this communication. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by return email and delete the original message. Thank you. > > >---------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, send mail to celandra-off@phoenyx.net. > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, send mail to celandra-off@phoenyx.net.
Andrew Janssen wrote: > Ibrahim wrote: >>The language map shows only Golaren and Celpalar as being inhabited - >>meaning the unnamed group of islands to the south of Celpalar and >>directly east of the Razanian Kingdoms may be uninhabited (no language). >> >>Could such a large group of islands be uninhabited? If so, why? Hmmm... in real world, no. However, this is fantasy, so I will actually declare the islands as officially uninhabited as far as anyone on Qaiyore knows. There have been attempts to land and even put up some colonies there by Celpalar. But the colonies have been quickly abandoned due to various difficulities and a pervasive mood of oppression and threat that somehow infiltrates the minds of visitors almost immediately after setting feet on the shore. > Juuso is of course the last word on this, but I wouldn't take the > language map as being definitive on whether a region is inhabited or not. No, the language map is more like a guideline anyway. juuso ---------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, send mail to celandra-off@phoenyx.net.
Andrew Janssen wrote: > Come to think of it, there probably might be some very interesting ruins > on the island of Golaren. Could be, but they cannot be reached because of the local denizens on the island. > On an unrelated note, there seems to have been some calender slippage. > The last turn of the Elyria game recorded was 2844, which, according to > the old Qaiyore website, converts to the Qaiyorean year 1622. Hmmm... I don't have my "Speakers and Kings" handy, but 2844 is the year when the Shanari war reached its climax in Talishara. And I think that is year 1424 accoring to Qaiyore calender. Where is the year 1622 mentioned? juuso ---------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, send mail to celandra-off@phoenyx.net.
Juha Vesanto wrote: >Andrew Janssen wrote: > > >>On an unrelated note, there seems to have been some calender slippage. >>The last turn of the Elyria game recorded was 2844, which, according to >>the old Qaiyore website, converts to the Qaiyorean year 1622. >> >> > >Hmmm... I don't have my "Speakers and Kings" handy, but 2844 is the year >when the Shanari war reached its climax in Talishara. And I think >that is year 1424 accoring to Qaiyore calender. Where is the year 1622 >mentioned? > > > Year 1 in the Qaiyorean calendar is the same as year 1221 in the Elyrian calendar, so to convert from Qaiyorean dates to Elyrian dates, you add 1220 to the Qaiyorean date; to go from Elyrian to Qaiyorean dates, subtract 1220 from the Elyrian date. Thus, 1447 Qai becomes 2667 Ely, and 2844 Ely becomes 1624 Qai. In order for 1424 Qai to be the same year as 2844 Ely, Year 1 Qai would have to be the same as 1421 Ely. Thus, there's two centuries worth of slippage to be accounted for. It looks to me like someone somewhere along the line made a simple math error, but at this point, there's no way of knowing for sure. Andrew >juuso >---------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, send mail to celandra-off@phoenyx.net. > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, send mail to celandra-off@phoenyx.net.
