Action 1: Millati evangelisation Resolution: Diff = Normal (0) + Dice (00+0) + Extras () = +1 Success Dice: * The Keeper: 0 * Millati supporters: 0 * Millati preachers: +1 * Luck: 0 Results: (Normal: 0,0,0,+1,+1,+1,x,x,x,x) Interpretation: Looking at the expansion rules, would this mean that the Millati would have base growth% + 1 (6% growth)? 6% of the Millati size, or 6% of Kaeir? This is probably something that was discussed regarding the Exquaesito, but could someone elaborate on this? Is is 6% of Kaeir or the Millati Kaeireans? Cheers, Ibrahim ================================ Confidentiality Statement and Disclaimer ================================ This message is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed and contains information that is privileged and confidential. If you, the reader of this message, are not the intended recipient, you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this communication. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by return email and delete the original message. Thank you. ---------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, send mail to celandra-off@phoenyx.net.
The reason I ask is that the difference is 30,000 or 500.... significantly different growth! > -----Original Message----- > From: bounces@phoenyx.net [mailto:bounces@phoenyx.net] On Behalf Of > Ibrahim > Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 11:13 AM > To: celandra@phoenyx.net > Subject: [Cel] Millati expansion in Kaeir > > Action 1: Millati evangelisation > > Resolution: Diff = Normal (0) + Dice (00+0) + Extras () = +1 Success > > Dice: > > * The Keeper: 0 > * Millati supporters: 0 > * Millati preachers: +1 > * Luck: 0 > > Results: (Normal: 0,0,0,+1,+1,+1,x,x,x,x) > > Interpretation: > > Looking at the expansion rules, would this mean that the Millati would > have > base growth% + 1 (6% growth)? 6% of the Millati size, or 6% of Kaeir? > > This is probably something that was discussed regarding the Exquaesito, > but > could someone elaborate on this? Is is 6% of Kaeir or the Millati > Kaeireans? > > > > Cheers, > > Ibrahim > > > > > > ================================ > Confidentiality Statement and Disclaimer > ================================ > This message is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to > whom it is addressed and contains information that is privileged and > confidential. If you, the reader of this message, are not the intended > recipient, you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this > communication. If you have received this communication in error, please > notify us immediately by return email and delete the original message. > Thank you. > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, send mail to celandra-off@phoenyx.net. > > ================================ > Confidentiality Statement and Disclaimer > ================================ > This message is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to > whom it is addressed and contains information that is privileged and > confidential. If you, the reader of this message, are not the intended > recipient, you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this > communication. If you have received this communication in error, please > notify us immediately by return email and delete the original message. > Thank you. ================================ Confidentiality Statement and Disclaimer ================================ This message is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed and contains information that is privileged and confidential. If you, the reader of this message, are not the intended recipient, you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this communication. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by return email and delete the original message. Thank you. ---------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, send mail to celandra-off@phoenyx.net.
Ibrahim wrote: > Action 1: Millati evangelisation > > Resolution: Diff = Normal (0) + Dice (00+0) + Extras () = +1 Success > > Dice: > > * The Keeper: 0 > * Millati supporters: 0 > * Millati preachers: +1 > * Luck: 0 > > Results: (Normal: 0,0,0,+1,+1,+1,x,x,x,x) > > Interpretation: > > Looking at the expansion rules, would this mean that the Millati would have > base growth% + 1 (6% growth)? 6% of the Millati size, or 6% of Kaeir? > > This is probably something that was discussed regarding the Exquaesito, but > could someone elaborate on this? Is is 6% of Kaeir or the Millati > Kaeireans? Growth is based on the size of the existing organization. A base growth rate of 5% is for societies in the 200,000 - 2,000,000 range, which sounds more like Kaeir as a whole than the Millati. With a success of +1 basic growth is applied _twice_. For a growth of 5% that would be 1.05*1.05-1 or 10.25%. If you wish, that growth can be spread over a number of years. You might take 5% in 1451 and then 5.25% in 1452, or even 2% for every year from 1451 to 1460. Jefferson (Exquaestio) http://www.picotech.net/~jeff_wilson63/rpg/ ---------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, send mail to celandra-off@phoenyx.net.
> -----Original Message----- > From: bounces@phoenyx.net [mailto:bounces@phoenyx.net] On Behalf Of > Jefferson > Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 12:09 PM > To: celandra@phoenyx.net > Subject: Re: [Cel] Millati expansion in Kaeir > > Ibrahim wrote: > > > Action 1: Millati evangelisation > > > > Resolution: Diff = Normal (0) + Dice (00+0) + Extras () = +1 Success > > > > Dice: > > > > * The Keeper: 0 > > * Millati supporters: 0 > > * Millati preachers: +1 > > * Luck: 0 > > > > Results: (Normal: 0,0,0,+1,+1,+1,x,x,x,x) > > > > Interpretation: > > > > Looking at the expansion rules, would this mean that the Millati would > have > > base growth% + 1 (6% growth)? 6% of the Millati size, or 6% of Kaeir? > > > > This is probably something that was discussed regarding the Exquaesito, > but > > could someone elaborate on this? Is is 6% of Kaeir or the Millati > > Kaeireans? > > Growth is based on the size of the existing organization. A base growth > rate > of 5% is for societies in the 200,000 - 2,000,000 range, which sounds more > like Kaeir as a whole than the Millati. With a success of +1 basic growth > is > applied _twice_. For a growth of 5% that would be 1.05*1.05-1 or 10.25%. > If > you wish, that growth can be spread over a number of years. You might > take 5% > in 1451 and then 5.25% in 1452, or even 2% for every year from 1451 to > 1460. So, the Millati Kaeireans have 10.25%. The action is a 10 year long action. Is the 10.25 for each year of the action, or does it accumulate (10.25 + ....), or 10.25% overall? Ibrahim ================================ Confidentiality Statement and Disclaimer ================================ This message is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed and contains information that is privileged and confidential. If you, the reader of this message, are not the intended recipient, you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this communication. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by return email and delete the original message. Thank you. ---------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, send mail to celandra-off@phoenyx.net.
Ibrahim wrote:
>From: Jefferson
>>Ibrahim wrote:
>>
>>>Action 1: Millati evangelisation
>>>
>>>Resolution: Diff = Normal (0) + Dice (00+0) + Extras () = +1 Success
>>>
>>>Dice:
>>>
>>>* The Keeper: 0
>>>* Millati supporters: 0
>>>* Millati preachers: +1
>>>* Luck: 0
>>>
>>>Results: (Normal: 0,0,0,+1,+1,+1,x,x,x,x)
>>>
>>
>>Growth is based on the size of the existing organization. A base
>>growth rate of 5% is for societies in the 200,000 - 2,000,000 range,
>>which sounds more like Kaeir as a whole than the Millati. With a
>>success of +1 basic growth is applied _twice_. For a growth of 5% that
>>would be 1.05*1.05-1 or 10.25%. If you wish, that growth can be spread
>>over a number of years. You might take 5% in 1451 and then 5.25% in
>>1452, or even 2% for every year from 1451 to 1460.
>
> So, the Millati Kaeireans have 10.25%.
How many Millati Kaeireans are there currently? We've established a
total population of 634,000 for Kaeir, and I know that 1/3 the
population isn't Millati. That will increase your base growth
percentage. Check the current numbers against the Population Growth
table.
> The action is a 10 year long action. Is the 10.25 for each year of the
> action, or does it accumulate (10.25 + ....), or 10.25% overall?
It's {rate}^2 for this particular action. I'd assumed the strategic
action was for full acceptance of the new religion by Kaeir.
Jefferson (Exquaestio)
http://www.picotech.net/~jeff_wilson63/rpg/
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> -----Original Message----- > From: bounces@phoenyx.net [mailto:bounces@phoenyx.net] On Behalf Of > Jefferson > Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 12:09 PM > To: celandra@phoenyx.net > Subject: Re: [Cel] Millati expansion in Kaeir > > Ibrahim wrote: > > > Action 1: Millati evangelisation > > > > Resolution: Diff = Normal (0) + Dice (00+0) + Extras () = +1 Success > > > > Dice: > > > > * The Keeper: 0 > > * Millati supporters: 0 > > * Millati preachers: +1 > > * Luck: 0 > > > > Results: (Normal: 0,0,0,+1,+1,+1,x,x,x,x) > > > > Interpretation: > > > > Looking at the expansion rules, would this mean that the Millati would > have > > base growth% + 1 (6% growth)? 6% of the Millati size, or 6% of Kaeir? > > > > This is probably something that was discussed regarding the Exquaesito, > but > > could someone elaborate on this? Is is 6% of Kaeir or the Millati > > Kaeireans? > > Growth is based on the size of the existing organization. A base growth > rate > of 5% is for societies in the 200,000 - 2,000,000 range, which sounds more > like Kaeir as a whole than the Millati. With a success of +1 basic growth > is > applied _twice_. For a growth of 5% that would be 1.05*1.05-1 or 10.25%. > If > you wish, that growth can be spread over a number of years. You might > take 5% > in 1451 and then 5.25% in 1452, or even 2% for every year from 1451 to > 1460. [Ib] OK, so after having read this twice now, I think I understand it. My 5% is multiplied twice because of my +1 result. That give me the 10.25%. The question though I have is is that 10.25 for the action in that year, or is the base growth determined at the end of the action (10 year action)? For example 5% multiplied by say 6 (maybe I will have +1,+1,+2,+2 at the end of the 10 year action, just as an example)? This would come back to the earlier complaint about slow growth for evangelising religions? (30% growth over ten years giving an extra 2-3000 at best for a starting population of 4000) Ibrahim ================================ Confidentiality Statement and Disclaimer ================================ This message is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed and contains information that is privileged and confidential. If you, the reader of this message, are not the intended recipient, you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this communication. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by return email and delete the original message. Thank you. ---------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, send mail to celandra-off@phoenyx.net.
Ibrahim wrote: >>>Action 1: Millati evangelisation >>> >>>Results: (Normal: 0,0,0,+1,+1,+1,x,x,x,x) > > [Ib] OK, so after having read this twice now, I think I understand it. My > 5% is multiplied twice because of my +1 result. That give me the 10.25%. > > The question though I have is is that 10.25 for the action in that year, or > is the base growth determined at the end of the action (10 year action)? > For example 5% multiplied by say 6 (maybe I will have +1,+1,+2,+2 at the end > of the 10 year action, just as an example)? > > This would come back to the earlier complaint about slow growth for > evangelising religions? (30% growth over ten years giving an extra 2-3000 at > best for a starting population of 4000) Let's go through this in detail. You have a starting organization size of 4,000. That gives you a starting growth rate of 20% (2,000 to 20,000 range). Normally, organization growth is not a strategic action. I don't know what the result of the strategic action is supposed to be. (General acceptance in Kaeir? Separation from other Millati?) Treating the above results as growth: +0: 4,000 * 1.2 = 4,800 +0: 4,800 * 1.2 = 5,760 +0: 5,760 * 1.2 = 6,912 +1: 6,912 * 1.2 * 1.2 = 9,953 +1: 9,953 * 1.2 * 1.2 = 14,333 +1: 14,333 * 1.2 * 1.2 = 20,639 So, with the sixth action you pass the 20,000 mark and your base expansion drops to 10%. Your population has grown 500% in six years. (Growth past a breakpoint should probably be halved, making the last number 20,320, but that's not an established rule.) However, this is complicated by two factors. First, failures are not recorded above. Failures normally divide by the growth rate. If your first growth action was a failure (-1) your organization's size would be reduced to 4,000 / 1.2 = 3,333. (And losses past a breakpoint should probably be _doubled_, but, as above, this isn't an established rule.) Second, you are doing this as a strategic action. There are undoubtedly side effects from whatever the purpose of the strategic action as a whole is, but I don't know what they would be. Now, let's suppose your last four results are +1, +1, +2, +2, and that you don't have any failures. +1: 20,639 * 1.1 * 1.1 = 24,973 +1: 24,973 * 1.1 * 1.1 = 30,218 +2: 30,218 * 1.1 * 1.1 * 1.1 = 40,220 +2: 40,220 * 1.1 * 1.1 * 1.1 = 53,533 For an average growth rate of 30% per year over 10 years. Jefferson (Exquaestio) http://www.picotech.net/~jeff_wilson63/rpg/ ---------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, send mail to celandra-off@phoenyx.net.
Thanks Jefferson, its far clearer now, much appreciated. I guess you had to figure this out the hard way with the Exquaestio (I recall the discussion from a few months ago but didn't follow it closely). Regards, Ibrahim > -----Original Message----- > From: bounces@phoenyx.net [mailto:bounces@phoenyx.net] On Behalf Of > Jefferson > Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 10:33 AM > To: celandra@phoenyx.net > Subject: Re: [Cel] Millati expansion in Kaeir > > Ibrahim wrote: > > >>>Action 1: Millati evangelisation > >>> > >>>Results: (Normal: 0,0,0,+1,+1,+1,x,x,x,x) > > > > [Ib] OK, so after having read this twice now, I think I understand it. > My > > 5% is multiplied twice because of my +1 result. That give me the > 10.25%. > > > > The question though I have is is that 10.25 for the action in that > year, or > > is the base growth determined at the end of the action (10 year > action)? > > For example 5% multiplied by say 6 (maybe I will have +1,+1,+2,+2 at > the end > > of the 10 year action, just as an example)? > > > > This would come back to the earlier complaint about slow growth for > > evangelising religions? (30% growth over ten years giving an extra 2- > 3000 at > > best for a starting population of 4000) > > Let's go through this in detail. > > You have a starting organization size of 4,000. That gives you a > starting growth rate of 20% (2,000 to 20,000 range). > > Normally, organization growth is not a strategic action. I don't know > what the result of the strategic action is supposed to be. (General > acceptance in Kaeir? Separation from other Millati?) > > Treating the above results as growth: > > +0: 4,000 * 1.2 = 4,800 > +0: 4,800 * 1.2 = 5,760 > +0: 5,760 * 1.2 = 6,912 > +1: 6,912 * 1.2 * 1.2 = 9,953 > +1: 9,953 * 1.2 * 1.2 = 14,333 > +1: 14,333 * 1.2 * 1.2 = 20,639 > > So, with the sixth action you pass the 20,000 mark and your base > expansion drops to 10%. Your population has grown 500% in six years. > (Growth past a breakpoint should probably be halved, making the last > number 20,320, but that's not an established rule.) > > However, this is complicated by two factors. > > First, failures are not recorded above. Failures normally divide by the > growth rate. If your first growth action was a failure (-1) your > organization's size would be reduced to 4,000 / 1.2 = 3,333. (And losses > past a breakpoint should probably be _doubled_, but, as above, this > isn't an established rule.) > > Second, you are doing this as a strategic action. There are undoubtedly > side effects from whatever the purpose of the strategic action as a > whole is, but I don't know what they would be. > > Now, let's suppose your last four results are +1, +1, +2, +2, and that > you don't have any failures. > > +1: 20,639 * 1.1 * 1.1 = 24,973 > +1: 24,973 * 1.1 * 1.1 = 30,218 > +2: 30,218 * 1.1 * 1.1 * 1.1 = 40,220 > +2: 40,220 * 1.1 * 1.1 * 1.1 = 53,533 > > For an average growth rate of 30% per year over 10 years. > > Jefferson (Exquaestio) > http://www.picotech.net/~jeff_wilson63/rpg/ > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, send mail to celandra-off@phoenyx.net. ================================ Confidentiality Statement and Disclaimer ================================ This message is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed and contains information that is privileged and confidential. If you, the reader of this message, are not the intended recipient, you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this communication. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by return email and delete the original message. Thank you. ---------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, send mail to celandra-off@phoenyx.net.
Ibrahim wrote: > Thanks Jefferson, its far clearer now, much appreciated. I guess you had to > figure this out the hard way with the Exquaestio (I recall the discussion > from a few months ago but didn't follow it closely). Pretty much. I like the current expansion rules, but there are a few details to be settled. When Exquaestio passes the 20,000 mark I figure Juuso and I will settle some of those details and rewrite the growth page. (Until then they don't matter all that much, for Exquaestio anyway.) Jefferson (Exquaestio) http://www.picotech.net/~jeff_wilson63/rpg/ ---------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, send mail to celandra-off@phoenyx.net.
