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Celandra is a game in which the players take the roles of societies, rather than playing individual characters. The players will invent a society with its culture and heritage, and will guide its development and interaction with the world. Emphasis will be be placed on developing a detailed history of Celandra, along with myths and legends.
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JuhaVesanto
juuso

Tue

Mar 1
2005

21:31Z

[Cel] Start of year 1453

Hi

This email start year 1453. Actions are due in two weeks, and
next year starts in the beginning of April. Below are events
for this year.

*Videssia [+4]:* Under the threat of the Ice Demons, the Videssians
are united under one flag. In the safety of the coastal areas,
they regroup, make plans, and then start to push back the Ice Demons.

*Parglug [-4]:* A second army of the Ice Demons attacks Parglug from
south.

*Ice Demons:* As perceived from the Floating City and from news
elsewhere, the Ice Demons have obviously divided into a number of
smaller armies. At least one of the armies is attacking Parglug from
southeast, and another one has cut through Videssia and is now
quickly approaching the Tana border.

juuso
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IbrahimDughlasGa
ibrahim

Wed

Mar 2
2005

01:22Z

[Cel] Start of year 1453

Juha,

Can I get a bit more direction on both the status of the Rimrivertown 
settlement (in terms of relations with the Panchayyah and the Grand 
Shaman), and the state of the Ban Horroth (has the civil war stopped, or 
has the Kaeirean mission succeeded, or is there still a stalemate)?

thanks,

Ibrahim

Juha Vesanto wrote:

>Hi
>
>This email start year 1453. Actions are due in two weeks, and
>next year starts in the beginning of April. Below are events
>for this year.
>
>*Videssia [+4]:* Under the threat of the Ice Demons, the Videssians
>are united under one flag. In the safety of the coastal areas,
>they regroup, make plans, and then start to push back the Ice Demons.
>
>*Parglug [-4]:* A second army of the Ice Demons attacks Parglug from
>south.
>
>*Ice Demons:* As perceived from the Floating City and from news
>elsewhere, the Ice Demons have obviously divided into a number of
>smaller armies. At least one of the armies is attacking Parglug from
>southeast, and another one has cut through Videssia and is now
>quickly approaching the Tana border.
>
>juuso
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JeffersonWilson
Jefferson

Wed

Mar 2
2005

06:23Z

[Cel] Start of year 1453

Juha Vesanto wrote:

> *Videssia [+4]:* Under the threat of the Ice Demons, the Videssians
> are united under one flag. In the safety of the coastal areas,
> they regroup, make plans, and then start to push back the Ice Demons.
> 
> *Parglug [-4]:* A second army of the Ice Demons attacks Parglug from
> south.
> 
> *Ice Demons:* As perceived from the Floating City and from news
> elsewhere, the Ice Demons have obviously divided into a number of
> smaller armies. At least one of the armies is attacking Parglug from
> southeast, and another one has cut through Videssia and is now
> quickly approaching the Tana border.

Lots of questions here.

How are the demons armed and armored?  How much magic are they using and what 
form does it take?  Are they using some sort of strategy or are they just 
using overwhelming numbers?  How does this compare to the last invasion?

(A thought: Perhaps _all_ goblins have a particular talent, not just those 
with a talent for mechanisms.  Some goblins might have a talent for languages, 
others for farming; and some might have a talent for strategy.  Many, of 
course, would have talents without any practical use.  If true, Exquaestio 
would have learned this from the Tanimbar goblins and could pass the 
information along to those who might be able to target any special strategists.)

Did the demons cross the Arand river?  Did they plant troops to hold the 
Videssians in place and if they did how many and how well fortified?  Could 
troops be shipped down the Arand and then to Tana by sea?

What's the supply situation of the demons in the east?

Which is larger, the force hitting Tana or the force hitting Parglug?

What is the name of the river between Videssia and Tana?  What's the name of 
the largest town on that river?  That town is the seat of an Exquaestio 
Bishop.  What are the possibilities of using that ecclesia to summon one or 
more divine servants from the dreaming help fight against the demons?

Also, Exquaestio has crossed the 20,000 mark and we need to discuss expansion. 
    I'll try to put together my thoughts on that this weekend.

Jefferson (Exquaestio)
http://www.picotech.net/~jeff_wilson63/rpg/



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AndrewJanssen
Andrew Janssen

Wed

Mar 2
2005

07:39Z

[Cel] Start of year 1453

Jefferson wrote:
> Juha Vesanto wrote:
> 
> 
>>*Videssia [+4]:* Under the threat of the Ice Demons, the Videssians
>>are united under one flag. In the safety of the coastal areas,
>>they regroup, make plans, and then start to push back the Ice Demons.
>>
>>*Parglug [-4]:* A second army of the Ice Demons attacks Parglug from
>>south.
>>
>>*Ice Demons:* As perceived from the Floating City and from news
>>elsewhere, the Ice Demons have obviously divided into a number of
>>smaller armies. At least one of the armies is attacking Parglug from
>>southeast, and another one has cut through Videssia and is now
>>quickly approaching the Tana border.
> 
> 
> Lots of questions here.
> 
> How are the demons armed and armored?  How much magic are they using and what 
> form does it take?  Are they using some sort of strategy or are they just 
> using overwhelming numbers?  How does this compare to the last invasion?

Well, if we lift some ideas from that story I wrote, if Yaga the 
Destroyer is the goblin war-god, that suggests a certain direction for 
Ice Demon military behavior. ("No, no! *First* you pillage, *then* you 
burn!")

> (A thought: Perhaps _all_ goblins have a particular talent, not just those 
> with a talent for mechanisms.  Some goblins might have a talent for languages, 
> others for farming; and some might have a talent for strategy.  Many, of 
> course, would have talents without any practical use.  If true, Exquaestio 
> would have learned this from the Tanimbar goblins and could pass the 
> information along to those who might be able to target any special strategists.)

This was also in the back of my mind when I wrote that story: since most 
goblin talents seem to follow idiot savant lines, Scorax the Mad, Who 
Knew Too Much, seems like the obvious source of such abilities . . . as 
well as explaining the rather random appearance of such talents.

> Did the demons cross the Arand river?  Did they plant troops to hold the 
> Videssians in place and if they did how many and how well fortified?  Could 
> troops be shipped down the Arand and then to Tana by sea?
> 
> What's the supply situation of the demons in the east?

I think, but I'm not sure if it's been definitively stated, that the Ice 
Demons largely live of off foraging, which is part of what drives their 
advances. They can also eat a lot of things humans can't or won't eat.

> Which is larger, the force hitting Tana or the force hitting Parglug?
> 
> What is the name of the river between Videssia and Tana?  What's the name of 
> the largest town on that river?  That town is the seat of an Exquaestio 
> Bishop.  What are the possibilities of using that ecclesia to summon one or 
> more divine servants from the dreaming help fight against the demons?

Bear in mind that such a divine servant would very likely be opposed. 
The river has no name, AFAIK, ditto for any town.

Andrew

> Also, Exquaestio has crossed the 20,000 mark and we need to discuss expansion. 
>     I'll try to put together my thoughts on that this weekend.
> 
> Jefferson (Exquaestio)
> http://www.picotech.net/~jeff_wilson63/rpg/
> 
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IbrahimDughlasGa
ibrahim

Wed

Mar 2
2005

07:47Z

[Cel] Start of year 1453

Andrew Janssen wrote:

>Jefferson wrote:
>  
>
>>ns cross the Arand river?  Did they plant troops to hold the 
>>Videssians in place and if they did how many and how well fortified?  Could 
>>troops be shipped down the Arand and then to Tana by sea?
>>
>>What's the supply situation of the demons in the east?
>>    
>>
>
>I think, but I'm not sure if it's been definitively stated, that the Ice 
>Demons largely live of off foraging, which is part of what drives their 
>advances. They can also eat a lot of things humans can't or won't eat.
>  
>
Are there females in the armies?  I imagine the possibility is far 
greater amongst the Goblins than humans.  Makes the possibility of 
goblins settling in an area even greater.

>  
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AndrewJanssen
Andrew Janssen

Wed

Mar 2
2005

07:52Z

[Cel] Start of year 1453

ibrahim wrote:

> Andrew Janssen wrote:
> 
> 
>>Jefferson wrote:
>> 
>>
>>
>>>ns cross the Arand river?  Did they plant troops to hold the 
>>>Videssians in place and if they did how many and how well fortified?  Could 
>>>troops be shipped down the Arand and then to Tana by sea?
>>>
>>>What's the supply situation of the demons in the east?
>>>   
>>>
>>
>>I think, but I'm not sure if it's been definitively stated, that the Ice 
>>Demons largely live of off foraging, which is part of what drives their 
>>advances. They can also eat a lot of things humans can't or won't eat.
>> 
>>
> 
> Are there females in the armies?  I imagine the possibility is far 
> greater amongst the Goblins than humans.  Makes the possibility of 
> goblins settling in an area even greater.
>

Given the nature of Goblin/Ice Demon society(the male chiefs pretend to 
be in charge and order the warriors around while the matriarchs are the 
ones who *really* run the show), it would be surprising if there weren't 
females with the hordes.

Andrew

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AndrewJanssen
Andrew Janssen

Thu

Mar 3
2005

20:52Z

[Cel] Start of year 1453

--- Jefferson  wrote:
> Andrew Janssen wrote:
> 
> >>What's the supply situation of the demons in the east?
> > 
> > I think, but I'm not sure if it's been definitively stated, that
> the Ice 
> > Demons largely live of off foraging, which is part of what drives
> their 
> > advances. They can also eat a lot of things humans can't or won't
> eat.
> 
> That sort of thing has its limits.  Hold them in one place for long
> enough and 
> they'll start eating each other.  Even the Mongols armies, reknowned
> foragers, 
> traveled with herds of cattle or were supplied by the tribute of
> conquered 
> nations.

True. It's possible that the Ice Demons have some sort of herds
following them--there's no evidence one way or the other.
 
> This actually might explain the way the demon army shattered during
> the last 
> invasion.  If that's the case, though, they probably learned from it.
>  Which 
> makes sense of the lesser numbers they seem to be using, but would
> still mean 
> some sort of supply plan, though it may well be inadequate.
> 
> Another thought is that without a supply chain the armies will die
> when they 
> reach the northern deserts or the straight.  (Of course, the demons
> may not 
> realize that.)

Too true. 

Andrew

> Jefferson (Exquaestio)
> http://www.picotech.net/~jeff_wilson63/rpg/Exq_Main.html
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JeffersonWilson
Jefferson

Thu

Mar 3
2005

19:21Z

[Cel] Start of year 1453

Andrew Janssen wrote:

>>What's the supply situation of the demons in the east?
> 
> I think, but I'm not sure if it's been definitively stated, that the Ice 
> Demons largely live of off foraging, which is part of what drives their 
> advances. They can also eat a lot of things humans can't or won't eat.

That sort of thing has its limits.  Hold them in one place for long enough and 
they'll start eating each other.  Even the Mongols armies, reknowned foragers, 
traveled with herds of cattle or were supplied by the tribute of conquered 
nations.

This actually might explain the way the demon army shattered during the last 
invasion.  If that's the case, though, they probably learned from it.  Which 
makes sense of the lesser numbers they seem to be using, but would still mean 
some sort of supply plan, though it may well be inadequate.

Another thought is that without a supply chain the armies will die when they 
reach the northern deserts or the straight.  (Of course, the demons may not 
realize that.)

Jefferson (Exquaestio)
http://www.picotech.net/~jeff_wilson63/rpg/Exq_Main.html



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