Hi folks, Have been reading through the celandra archives, and noticed again that the Celandra game used to have a much larger number of players. I am wondering then, how we might go about recruiting more players into the game (for added vitality)? Ideas? Ibrahim ================================ Confidentiality Statement and Disclaimer ================================ This message is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed and contains information that is privileged and confidential. If you, the reader of this message, are not the intended recipient, you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this communication. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by return email and delete the original message. Thank you. ---------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, send mail to celandra-off@phoenyx.net.
Ibrahim wrote: > Hi folks, > > Have been reading through the celandra archives, and noticed again that > the Celandra game used to have a much larger number of players. > > I am wondering then, how we might go about recruiting more players into > the game (for added vitality)? > > Ideas? I don't have many, I'm afraid. I agree, though, that it's a concern--but on the other hand, fewer players makes processing actions go faster. Part of the problem is that PBEMs have been losing ground to MMORPGs for years, I think; but another part of it is that, let's face it, Interactive History is a little esoteric. We've created (especially in the last year or so) a dense, interlocking mythos which is spread out over at least four webpages and countless emails. This can make it it hard for outsiders to come in: a newbie joins up and says "I want to do 'X'" only to be told that he or she can't because 'Y' happened ten game years ago. One thing which we might consider: as Jason said in his "Movers and Shakers" post, we're about to hit 50 game years. Perhaps we should take a hiatus to spend some time concentrating *all* Celandran information onto the Main Phoenyx pages, updating and reorganizing as needed. As it stands, a new player looking for a culture to play would go to the Tripod pages, and the Cultural information there is seriously out of date. Also, we might want to put a link to the Celandra Archives in a prominent place on the Qaiyore pages. We should also consider updating our blurb on the Phoenyx Game page, and we perhaps should try to forge more connections with the greater Phoenyx gaming community. Andrew > Ibrahim > > ================================ > Confidentiality Statement and Disclaimer > ================================ > This message is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed and contains information that is privileged and confidential. If you, the reader of this message, are not the intended recipient, you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this communication. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by return email and delete the original message. Thank you. > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, send mail to celandra-off@phoenyx.net. > ---------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, send mail to celandra-off@phoenyx.net.
Andrew, I think you're right. Especially about connecting with the rest of the Phoenyx community. I just went through the archive, and found a fair degree of discrepancy between it, the old game site and the phoenyx site. Making it all fit into a more cohesive site (and an easier to read one) might be better. Perhaps "reading efficiency" should be our catchphrase? IH is esoteric, but we're all here. We'll never get the numbers playing Warcraft online (but we'd never want those anyway). Attracting a few more like-minds though would be nice (especially for the northern Midsea - I'm the only player!!! : ( ). * The first thing perhaps that anyone sees upon coming to the Celandra site is a brief thing about what the game is about and how to play. * Shift everything over from the old site? That'll take a while I realise, but would make things easier. * The Qaiyore page is beginning to get long though - perhaps we should decide what the layout/structure should be, then we can proceed individually to sort it out? regards to all, hope your monday is as good as mondays can be, : ) Ibrahim Andrew Janssen wrote: >Ibrahim wrote: > > >>Hi folks, >> >>Have been reading through the celandra archives, and noticed again that >>the Celandra game used to have a much larger number of players. >> >>I am wondering then, how we might go about recruiting more players into >>the game (for added vitality)? >> >>Ideas? >> >> > >I don't have many, I'm afraid. I agree, though, that it's a concern--but >on the other hand, fewer players makes processing actions go faster. > >Part of the problem is that PBEMs have been losing ground to MMORPGs for >years, I think; but another part of it is that, let's face it, >Interactive History is a little esoteric. > >We've created (especially in the last year or so) a dense, interlocking >mythos which is spread out over at least four webpages and countless >emails. This can make it it hard for outsiders to come in: a newbie >joins up and says "I want to do 'X'" only to be told that he or she >can't because 'Y' happened ten game years ago. > >One thing which we might consider: as Jason said in his "Movers and >Shakers" post, we're about to hit 50 game years. Perhaps we should take >a hiatus to spend some time concentrating *all* Celandran information >onto the Main Phoenyx pages, updating and reorganizing as needed. As it >stands, a new player looking for a culture to play would go to the >Tripod pages, and the Cultural information there is seriously out of >date. Also, we might want to put a link to the Celandra Archives in a >prominent place on the Qaiyore pages. > >We should also consider updating our blurb on the Phoenyx Game page, and >we perhaps should try to forge more connections with the greater Phoenyx >gaming community. > >Andrew > > > >>Ibrahim >> >>================================ >>Confidentiality Statement and Disclaimer >>================================ >>This message is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed and contains information that is privileged and confidential. If you, the reader of this message, are not the intended recipient, you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this communication. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by return email and delete the original message. Thank you. >> >> >>---------------------------------------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe, send mail to celandra-off@phoenyx.net. >> >> >> > >---------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, send mail to celandra-off@phoenyx.net. > > > > ================================ Confidentiality Statement and Disclaimer ================================ This message is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed and contains information that is privileged and confidential. If you, the reader of this message, are not the intended recipient, you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this communication. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by return email and delete the original message. Thank you. ---------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, send mail to celandra-off@phoenyx.net.
Ibrahim wrote: > Andrew, > > I think you're right. Especially about connecting with the rest of the > Phoenyx community. > > I just went through the archive, and found a fair degree of discrepancy > between it, the old game site and the phoenyx site. Making it all fit > into a more cohesive site (and an easier to read one) might be better. > Perhaps "reading efficiency" should be our catchphrase? Without a doubt. > IH is esoteric, but we're all here. We'll never get the numbers playing > Warcraft online (but we'd never want those anyway). Attracting a few > more like-minds though would be nice (especially for the northern Midsea > - I'm the only player!!! : ( ). > > * The first thing perhaps that anyone sees upon coming to the Celandra > site is a brief thing about what the game is about and how to play. > > * Shift everything over from the old site? That'll take a while I > realise, but would make things easier. Not just easier . . . I'm beginning to think it is essential, not just for the Qaiyore material, but also the Elyria. As it is, I know that there's stuff that's been lost. > * The Qaiyore page is beginning to get long though - perhaps we should > decide what the layout/structure should be, then we can proceed > individually to sort it out? Yeah, we definitely need to stop putting everything down on the main page. > regards to all, hope your monday is as good as mondays can be, : ) My Monday is going to be lousy--my spring break is over. Still, due to one of my instructors taking a vacation, I get Thursday & Friday off this week, which is nice. Andrew > Ibrahim > > Andrew Janssen wrote: > > >>Ibrahim wrote: >> >> >> >>>Hi folks, >>> >>>Have been reading through the celandra archives, and noticed again that >>>the Celandra game used to have a much larger number of players. >>> >>>I am wondering then, how we might go about recruiting more players into >>>the game (for added vitality)? >>> >>>Ideas? >>> >>> >> >>I don't have many, I'm afraid. I agree, though, that it's a concern--but >>on the other hand, fewer players makes processing actions go faster. >> >>Part of the problem is that PBEMs have been losing ground to MMORPGs for >>years, I think; but another part of it is that, let's face it, >>Interactive History is a little esoteric. >> >>We've created (especially in the last year or so) a dense, interlocking >>mythos which is spread out over at least four webpages and countless >>emails. This can make it it hard for outsiders to come in: a newbie >>joins up and says "I want to do 'X'" only to be told that he or she >>can't because 'Y' happened ten game years ago. >> >>One thing which we might consider: as Jason said in his "Movers and >>Shakers" post, we're about to hit 50 game years. Perhaps we should take >>a hiatus to spend some time concentrating *all* Celandran information >>onto the Main Phoenyx pages, updating and reorganizing as needed. As it >>stands, a new player looking for a culture to play would go to the >>Tripod pages, and the Cultural information there is seriously out of >>date. Also, we might want to put a link to the Celandra Archives in a >>prominent place on the Qaiyore pages. >> >>We should also consider updating our blurb on the Phoenyx Game page, and >>we perhaps should try to forge more connections with the greater Phoenyx >>gaming community. >> >>Andrew >> >> >> >> >>>Ibrahim >>> >>>================================ >>>Confidentiality Statement and Disclaimer >>>================================ >>>This message is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed and contains information that is privileged and confidential. If you, the reader of this message, are not the intended recipient, you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this communication. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by return email and delete the original message. 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I have been slowlly moving the Mirish society page from the old website to the new website. If we are going to reorganize the webpage and move information from the old pages then I think we will need to desided 1) what we want moved 2) what we want moved first, second, ect. 3) are we going to unit the Elyria page with the Qaiyore page I think is to figure out need is figure out what we want the new webpage to look like. It looks good now, but thier is not a section for histories for example. So I think we will need to desided on a bigger scale what we are aming for. Example being if we do add Elyria that is a lof more information that is about fourty game turns of information. I also think one of the first things we need to do is update our own societies pages. Mirs has been none excistence until today, and Cedonia still has stats for the civil war. Jeff really is the only one up to date. For Mirs society page I am using the formate of the old page society page so that their will be Determintants page, a page that give a chronogly of events with links to the action page. Then were we have the section were normall would put the history/ philosphy and ect I would put the Mirs player contributions there. Jason Heaps __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ---------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, send mail to celandra-off@phoenyx.net.
Jason Heaps wrote:
>I have been slowlly moving the Mirish society page from the old website to the new website.
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>If we are going to reorganize the webpage and move information from the old pages then I think we will need to desided
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>1) what we want moved
>2) what we want moved first, second, ect.
>3) are we going to unit the Elyria page with the Qaiyore page
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I think we should:
1) Decide on the format for the Qaiyore website (I propose that the main
Qaiyore page is kept ultra-simple)
- for the main Qaiyore page
- standardise the society pages too (perhaps the old site format)
2) Fix the Qaiyore website (including transferring old site stuff over)
3) Do the same for Elyria (though admittedly at a slower rate)
I think player contributions could be put on a single page, as many of
the stories from different societies are interrelated.
IMHO
Ibrahim
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chad powell wrote: > I think the reason we're receiving these messages is that the subscription information isn't obvious on the front page. I think the 'For Visitors' section should be moved above the 'For Members' sections. I'd do it myself, but I don't see any immediate way for me to edit that page. Jefferson http://www.picotech.net/~jeff_wilson63/rpg/Exq_Main.html ---------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, send mail to celandra-off@phoenyx.net.
--- celandra@phoenyx.net wrote: chad powell wrote: > I think the reason we're receiving these messages is that the subscription > information isn't obvious on the front page. I think the 'For Visitors' > section should be moved above the 'For Members' sections. I'd do it > myself, but I don't see any immediate way for me to edit that page. If the group owner sets the "numoderate" option to 1 or higher, then you oughtn't get much in the way of this post at all. Numoderation (numeric moderation) means you have to get 1 (or more) messages approved by the moderator before you can post unmoderated. Keeps the spam and UNSUBSRIBE!!11!!! posts to a minimum. (And because I'm posting this from my Bloglines subscription, *I* will probably get numoderated. Heh.) ---------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, send mail to celandra-off@phoenyx.net.
KarenCravens.6171458@bloglines.com wrote: > If the group owner sets > the "numoderate" option to 1 or higher, then you oughtn't get much in the > way of this post at all. Numoderation (numeric moderation) means you have > to get 1 (or more) messages approved by the moderator before you can post > unmoderated. Keeps the spam and UNSUBSRIBE!!11!!! posts to a minimum. > > (And because I'm posting this from my Bloglines subscription, *I* will probably > get numoderated. Heh.) Yes, you did :) Actually, chad's email, which came to me for moderation, had several lines of text: "I want to get in on the game, but I dont know much about anything. I was thinking of playing as Rhudyn. I know its in the free cities but it is its own nation seperate from the others. If not them then I want to play Celpolar. Get back to me please, I have some good Ideas for my country." The text was inside HTML tags, though. I don't know what happened to it. Karen? The moderation ID was MOD1112035565. juuso ---------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, send mail to celandra-off@phoenyx.net.
KarenCravens.6171458@bloglines.com wrote: > --- celandra@phoenyx.net wrote: > chad powell wrote: > >>I think the reason > > we're receiving these messages is that the subscription > >>information isn't > > obvious on the front page. I think the 'For Visitors' > >>section should > > be moved above the 'For Members' sections. I'd do it > >>myself, but I don't > > see any immediate way for me to edit that page. > > If the group owner sets > the "numoderate" option to 1 or higher, then you oughtn't get much in the > way of this post at all. Numoderation (numeric moderation) means you have > to get 1 (or more) messages approved by the moderator before you can post > unmoderated. Keeps the spam and UNSUBSRIBE!!11!!! posts to a minimum. That used to be the way it was, I think--I know that the first time I tried to post after having been away, it bounced back. Andrew > (And because I'm posting this from my Bloglines subscription, *I* will probably > get numoderated. Heh.) > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, send mail to celandra-off@phoenyx.net. > ---------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, send mail to celandra-off@phoenyx.net.
--- celandra@phoenyx.net wrote: KarenCravens.6171458@bloglines.com wrote: > The text was inside HTML tags, though. I don't know what happened to it. I can tell you without even bothering to look that it was within HTML tags like this: blah blah The HTML-to-text convertor we use converts the entire body of the HTML page... that is, everything inside tags. Yahoo and Hotmail've had broken HTML mailers for years, but Chad, if you turn off HTML-only, it'll work fine. ---------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, send mail to celandra-off@phoenyx.net.
KarenCravens.6171458@bloglines.com wrote: > I can tell you without even bothering to look that it was within HTML tags > like this: > > > blah blah > Right. juuso ---------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, send mail to celandra-off@phoenyx.net.
>Hi folks, > >Have been reading through the celandra archives, and noticed again that >the Celandra game used to have a much larger number of players. I will note that there are some old players that are still here, just quiet. :) Has anyone looked recently to see how many email addresses are currently on the list? We could compare that to the current "active" roster to get an impression of the number of lurkers. -Jeff Heinen (Once the Silver Hand) ---------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, send mail to celandra-off@phoenyx.net.
Good point, anyone got an idea how to do this? Ibrahim Jeff heinen wrote: >>Hi folks, >> >>Have been reading through the celandra archives, and noticed again that >>the Celandra game used to have a much larger number of players. >> >> > >I will note that there are some old players that are still here, just quiet. :) > >Has anyone looked recently to see how many email addresses are >currently on the list? We could compare that to the current "active" >roster to get an impression of the number of lurkers. > >-Jeff Heinen >(Once the Silver Hand) >---------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, send mail to celandra-off@phoenyx.net. > > > > ================================ Confidentiality Statement and Disclaimer ================================ This message is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed and contains information that is privileged and confidential. If you, the reader of this message, are not the intended recipient, you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this communication. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by return email and delete the original message. Thank you. ---------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, send mail to celandra-off@phoenyx.net.
ibrahim wrote: > Good point, anyone got an idea how to do this? No clue, but on a different note, am I the only person who sees " Interactive Trash.History in Celandra" at the top of the page when looking at: http://www.phoenyx.net/cgi-bin/twiki/bin/view/Celandra/WebHome? Andrew > Ibrahim > > Jeff heinen wrote: > > >>>Hi folks, >>> >>>Have been reading through the celandra archives, and noticed again that >>>the Celandra game used to have a much larger number of players. >>> >>> >> >>I will note that there are some old players that are still here, just quiet. :) >> >>Has anyone looked recently to see how many email addresses are >>currently on the list? We could compare that to the current "active" >>roster to get an impression of the number of lurkers. >> >>-Jeff Heinen >>(Once the Silver Hand) >>---------------------------------------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe, send mail to celandra-off@phoenyx.net. >> >> >> >> > > > > ================================ > Confidentiality Statement and Disclaimer > ================================ > This message is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed and contains information that is privileged and confidential. If you, the reader of this message, are not the intended recipient, you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this communication. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by return email and delete the original message. Thank you. > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, send mail to celandra-off@phoenyx.net. > ---------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, send mail to celandra-off@phoenyx.net.
No, you're not. I tried changing it yesteday, but it appears that its part of the deeper Twiki settings, rather than straight "Twiki html". Ibrahim Andrew Janssen wrote: >ibrahim wrote: > > >>Good point, anyone got an idea how to do this? >> >> > >No clue, but on a different note, am I the only person who sees " >Interactive Trash.History in Celandra" at the top of the page when >looking at: http://www.phoenyx.net/cgi-bin/twiki/bin/view/Celandra/WebHome? > >Andrew > > > > ================================ Confidentiality Statement and Disclaimer ================================ This message is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed and contains information that is privileged and confidential. If you, the reader of this message, are not the intended recipient, you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this communication. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by return email and delete the original message. Thank you. ---------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, send mail to celandra-off@phoenyx.net.
We should talk to the Webmaster about it. It doesn't send the right kind of message. Andrew ibrahim wrote: > No, you're not. I tried changing it yesteday, but it appears that its > part of the deeper Twiki settings, rather than straight "Twiki html". > > Ibrahim > > Andrew Janssen wrote: > > >>ibrahim wrote: >> >> >> >>>Good point, anyone got an idea how to do this? >>> >>> >> >>No clue, but on a different note, am I the only person who sees " >>Interactive Trash.History in Celandra" at the top of the page when >>looking at: http://www.phoenyx.net/cgi-bin/twiki/bin/view/Celandra/WebHome? >> >>Andrew >> >> > > >> >> > > > > ================================ > Confidentiality Statement and Disclaimer > ================================ > This message is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed and contains information that is privileged and confidential. If you, the reader of this message, are not the intended recipient, you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this communication. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by return email and delete the original message. Thank you. > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, send mail to celandra-off@phoenyx.net. > ---------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, send mail to celandra-off@phoenyx.net.
Hi webmaster (it's Karen, isn't it?), Why do we get "Interactive Trash.History in Celandra" at the top of the page when looking at: http://www.phoenyx.net/cgi-bin/twiki/bin/view/Celandra/WebHome? Best regards, folks over at Celandra ---------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, send mail to celandra-off@phoenyx.net.
Karen J. Cravens wrote: >JV>Why do we get "Interactive Trash.History in Celandra" at the top of the page >JV>when >JV>looking at: http://www.phoenyx.net/cgi-bin/twiki/bin/view/Celandra/WebHome? > >Probably (I say this without actually looking) because at some point, >somebody moved a page called Celandra/History to the Trash, and so it >"helpfully" changed all instances of "History" to point to the trashed >file. (It's a slight drawback of using single-word WikiWords.) > >If you go look in Celandra/WebPreferences you should be able to find the >web title and fix it. > > Thanks, found & fixed it. juuso ---------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, send mail to celandra-off@phoenyx.net.
Jeff heinen wrote:
>>Hi folks,
>>
>>Have been reading through the celandra archives, and noticed again that
>>the Celandra game used to have a much larger number of players.
>>
>>
>
>I will note that there are some old players that are still here, just quiet. :)
>
>Has anyone looked recently to see how many email addresses are
>currently on the list? We could compare that to the current "active"
>roster to get an impression of the number of lurkers.
>
>
Here is today's celandra status report.
Distribution counts ('distrib' is main group):
distrib: 29 users
digest: 2 users
bouncers: 0 users
qaiyore: 32 users
elyria: 31 users
There are some duplicates in there, so I estimate that in addition to
the 4 active players,
there are about 20 lurkers on the list.
juuso
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