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Celandra is a game in which the players take the roles of societies, rather than playing individual characters. The players will invent a society with its culture and heritage, and will guide its development and interaction with the world. Emphasis will be be placed on developing a detailed history of Celandra, along with myths and legends.
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JeffersonWilson
Jefferson

Tue

Jun 14
2005

02:37Z

[Cel] [Update] Exquaestio Philosophy

I've updated the Divine Nature and Morals and Ethics sections under 
Exquaestio Philosophy 
(http://www.picotech.net/~jeff_wilson63/rpg/Exq_Culture.html)

Comments are desired.

-- 
Jefferson
http://www.picotech.net/~jeff_wilson63/rpg/Exq_Main.html



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AndrewJanssen
Andrew Janssen

Tue

Jun 14
2005

04:35Z

[Cel] [Update] Exquaestio Philosophy

Jefferson wrote:
> I've updated the Divine Nature and Morals and Ethics sections under 
> Exquaestio Philosophy 
> (http://www.picotech.net/~jeff_wilson63/rpg/Exq_Culture.html)
> 
> Comments are desired.
> 

Hm, interesting. Sedonian theologians would generally teach that the 
Creator or Ultimate is so far beyond human understanding that to worship 
it is a futile pursuit. The Sedonians would also make the distinction 
between accepting and requiring worship, although some argue that since 
to gain the benefits of a god's power one must worship it or behave in 
certain ways, people are not truly free to not worship the gods.

Sedonian clerics would generally tend to disagree with the principle 
that it is unacceptable for the greater to force the lesser (at least in 
public), although this is slowly changing (especially in the Orders of 
Lusia and Demerhaze). This is partly due to Sedonia's social structure 
(it *is* an Empire, after all), and partly due to the Sedonian belief 
that certain classes of spirits are bound to the wills of the gods, and 
thus are compelled to act at the direction of the gods. There's also a 
school of thought which argues that there is no such thing as free will, 
only the illusion of it, but most Sedonians regard them as being 
slightly crazed.

Sedonian theology is quite emphatic on the principle that the existence 
of souls requires the presence of Coron or some other Aspect of the 
Creator holding the proper Authority--the secret teaching of the Order 
of Coron being that "Coron" is just a mask for a greater and more 
universal Being.

Sedonians would, at present, disagree (possibly violently) with the 
assertion that reincarnation occurs when the gods aren't doing their 
jobs properly--the prospect of reincarnation, especially for those who 
die before their time, is a fundamental part of their belief system.

I suspect that Sedonia may turn out to be the place where Exquaestio 
meets Millat Shanari and produces something new.

Andrew
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JeffersonWilson
Jefferson

Tue

Jun 14
2005

05:15Z

[Cel] [Update] Exquaestio Philosophy

Andrew Janssen wrote:

> Hm, interesting. Sedonian theologians would generally teach that the 
> Creator or Ultimate is so far beyond human understanding that to worship 
> it is a futile pursuit. The Sedonians would also make the distinction 
> between accepting and requiring worship, although some argue that since 
> to gain the benefits of a god's power one must worship it or behave in 
> certain ways, people are not truly free to not worship the gods.

Hmmm.  I'm not sure if that last distinction has occurred to Exquaestio 
theologians yet.  I don't think there's anything in the current Book of 
Travels that touches on it directly.  (Which brings up the possibility of a 
schism: we are free not to worship vs. we are free to choose our worship.)

> Sedonian clerics would generally tend to disagree with the principle 
> that it is unacceptable for the greater to force the lesser (at least in 
> public), although this is slowly changing (especially in the Orders of 
> Lusia and Demerhaze).

And this is exactly why Exquaestio is having problems moving into the upper 
classes.  (Though note that in practical terms they had no difficulty 
supporting an aristocratic government in Junder.)

> This is partly due to Sedonia's social structure 
> (it *is* an Empire, after all), and partly due to the Sedonian belief 
> that certain classes of spirits are bound to the wills of the gods, and 
> thus are compelled to act at the direction of the gods. There's also a 
> school of thought which argues that there is no such thing as free will, 
> only the illusion of it, but most Sedonians regard them as being 
> slightly crazed.

Current Exq. theologians don't really understand the concept of free will 
as its presented in the Book of Travels.  There is a rule of thumb given: 
"If you can question whether you have free will, then you do."

> Sedonian theology is quite emphatic on the principle that the existence 
> of souls requires the presence of Coron or some other Aspect of the 
> Creator holding the proper Authority--the secret teaching of the Order 
> of Coron being that "Coron" is just a mask for a greater and more 
> universal Being.

I doubt that belief would cause any real problems with Exquaestio.  Yes, 
the Book of Travels indicates differently, but where souls come from isn't 
fundamental to the theology.

> Sedonians would, at present, disagree (possibly violently) with the 
> assertion that reincarnation occurs when the gods aren't doing their 
> jobs properly--the prospect of reincarnation, especially for those who 
> die before their time, is a fundamental part of their belief system.

Now the rejection of reincarnation IS a major part of the theology.  This 
attitude tinges many of the stories in the Book of Travels, and many 
Sedonians will undoubtedly consider its portrayal of believers in 
reincarnation insulting if not blasphemous.  Note that exquaestio doesn't 
reject the actual occurrence, just the belief.

> I suspect that Sedonia may turn out to be the place where Exquaestio 
> meets Millat Shanari and produces something new.

It will be interesting.  1456 ends with 767 quaestae in Sedonia outside 
Vizinia (411 in Vizinia), mostly along the coast and Vizinian border. 
Exquaestio will likely pass the 1,000 mark in 1461 (passing 650 in 
Vizinia).  So far as I can tell the only place the religions have met at 
this point is in Mirrish Tirmar, and those contacts haven't been serious or 
sustained.  You might also consider that it's pretty likely another new 
religion is coming out of Torphan.  In the broadest possible terms I think 
it would have some similarities to Buddhism.

Jefferson
http://www.picotech.net/~jeff_wilson63/rpg/



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JeffersonWilson
Jefferson

Tue

Jun 14
2005

05:28Z

[Cel] [Update] Exquaestio Philosophy

Jefferson wrote:
> Andrew Janssen wrote:

>>I suspect that Sedonia may turn out to be the place where Exquaestio 
>>meets Millat Shanari and produces something new.
> 
> It will be interesting.  1456 ends with 767 quaestae in Sedonia outside 
> Vizinia (411 in Vizinia), mostly along the coast and Vizinian border. 
> Exquaestio will likely pass the 1,000 mark in 1461 (passing 650 in 
> Vizinia).  So far as I can tell the only place the religions have met at 
> this point is in Mirrish Tirmar, and those contacts haven't been serious or 
> sustained.  You might also consider that it's pretty likely another new 
> religion is coming out of Torphan.  In the broadest possible terms I think 
> it would have some similarities to Buddhism.

BTW, Ibrahim and Juuso, The Millati faith is probably making great gains in 
Bel'Adne (Religious Tolerance 3, Sophistication 0).  Particularly now that 
non-antimagical beliefs have spread north.

-- 
Jefferson
http://www.picotech.net/~jeff_wilson63/rpg/Exq_Main.html



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