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ChadPowell
Chad Powell

Mon

Jun 27
2005

06:15Z

[Cel] rhudyns actions for 1456

Some aspects of my actions are from my history that is being written and 
expanded.  I have included a few elements of it in here to briefly explain 
the actions.

action 1 & 2: alliance-
	after the successful alliance of the northern free cities with Rhudyn  we 
are going to approach the northern free cities about a trade alliance 
between our territories.  we will focus on Anaduan since we have the most in 
common.  the alliance will include reduced tariffs and an agreement for 
trade protection from piracy and other nations.  with the civil war in 
Videssia and Cormenaera removal from the Orasareni Defence Alliance.  the 
ODA seems to have fallen apart and the agrements have not been inforced.  
there for Rhudyn will attempt to form a trade alliance which is less 
dictating then the ODA, but will still improve the trade in eastern Midsea.

difficutly: hard
weight: double
fudge points: (Juuso do I have any?)


action 3:  Fighting force
	When cedonia invaded Rhudyn in the Eastern invasion of 580. The rhudyn 
patriots were driven into the mountians.  during sedonian rule they 
attempted to stamp out the patriots in the mountians and the men in the 
mountians developed into a ranger, mountian man to fight against them.  
resently during the ice demon invasion these men proved useful in supplying 
the military with food and fighting the ice demons.  so the king and the 
light council after hearing reports of these fighting men is seeking to form 
these rangers into a miliatry unit that the country can use.

difficutly: normal
weight: single
fudge points: ?

action 4: internal trade
	there are four main cities in Rhudyn.  three cities are along the coast the 
capital, Rhudyn being one of them, and the fourth is located by the 
mountians.  the king wishing to expanded the trade is starting a project to 
expanded the harbors in the three cities.  he is starting at the city of 
Rhudyn.  Rhudyn is located on the Ri'Semaida about ten miles from the coast, 
and while ships are able to dock at Rhudyn their is a harbor city located at 
the mouth where all forigen ships dock.  These are the docks that are to be 
expanded this year and then in the next few years the other cities will be 
expanded.  After the expansion of the harbors attention will be turned to 
the road system.  the ancient mirrish and sedonian roads will be restored to 
full fuctionality, and then they will focuse on adding more roads allowing 
greater access for the military, the farmers, and the miners.

difficulty: normal
weight: single
fugde points: ?


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JeffersonWilson
Jefferson

Mon

Jun 27
2005

06:28Z

[Cel] rhudyns actions for 1456

chad powell wrote:

> action 4: internal trade
> 	there are four main cities in Rhudyn.  three cities are along the coast the 
> capital, Rhudyn being one of them, and the fourth is located by the 
> mountians.  the king wishing to expanded the trade is starting a project to 
> expanded the harbors in the three cities.  he is starting at the city of 
> Rhudyn.  Rhudyn is located on the Ri'Semaida about ten miles from the coast, 
> and while ships are able to dock at Rhudyn their is a harbor city located at 
> the mouth where all forigen ships dock.  These are the docks that are to be 
> expanded this year and then in the next few years the other cities will be 
> expanded.  After the expansion of the harbors attention will be turned to 
> the road system.  the ancient mirrish and sedonian roads will be restored to 
> full fuctionality, and then they will focuse on adding more roads allowing 
> greater access for the military, the farmers, and the miners.

Also note that part of the territory noted as Aixeldan on the map was 
Rhudyn less than a generation ago.  (See the events under Aixeldan on the 
tripod site.)  I wasn't in the game at the time so does anyone remember how 
much Aixeldan took from Rhudyn?

Jefferson
http://www.picotech.net/~jeff_wilson63/rpg/Exq_Main.html



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IbrahimDughlasGa
ibrahim

Mon

Jun 27
2005

06:51Z

[Cel] rhudyns actions for 1456

Jefferson wrote:

>chad powell wrote:
>
>  
>
>>action 4: internal trade
>>	there are four main cities in Rhudyn.  three cities are along the coast the 
>>capital, Rhudyn being one of them, and the fourth is located by the 
>>mountians.  the king wishing to expanded the trade is starting a project to 
>>expanded the harbors in the three cities.  he is starting at the city of 
>>Rhudyn.  Rhudyn is located on the Ri'Semaida about ten miles from the coast, 
>>and while ships are able to dock at Rhudyn their is a harbor city located at 
>>the mouth where all forigen ships dock.  These are the docks that are to be 
>>expanded this year and then in the next few years the other cities will be 
>>expanded.  After the expansion of the harbors attention will be turned to 
>>the road system.  the ancient mirrish and sedonian roads will be restored to 
>>full fuctionality, and then they will focuse on adding more roads allowing 
>>greater access for the military, the farmers, and the miners.
>>    
>>
>
>Also note that part of the territory noted as Aixeldan on the map was 
>Rhudyn less than a generation ago.  (See the events under Aixeldan on the 
>tripod site.)  I wasn't in the game at the time so does anyone remember how 
>much Aixeldan took from Rhudyn?
>
>Jefferson
>http://www.picotech.net/~jeff_wilson63/rpg/Exq_Main.html
>
>  
>

Aixelsydan invaded northern Rhudyn, and successfully conquered and 
annexed the southern shore of the Straits of Annorrur.  I believe the 
region was integrated into Aixelsydan in a military governorate, and 
established fortresses.  I seem to recall that the annexation was very 
successful, and the Aixelsydanese grip on the southern shore very good.  
The limit was the mountains, where they built something they called the 
Earthen Veil (or was it the Timber Veil - there is one Veil in northern 
Aixelsydan, another newer one (1420s) in northern Rhudyn).

Ibrahim

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JasonHeaps
Jason Heaps

Mon

Jun 27
2005

07:00Z

[Cel] rhudyns actions for 1456

yea.  the part that Aixeldan annexed is shown on the map as being owned by aixeldan.
 
Jason Heaps

ibrahim  wrote:
Jefferson wrote:

>chad powell wrote:
>
> 
>
>>action 4: internal trade
>> there are four main cities in Rhudyn. three cities are along the coast the 
>>capital, Rhudyn being one of them, and the fourth is located by the 
>>mountians. the king wishing to expanded the trade is starting a project to 
>>expanded the harbors in the three cities. he is starting at the city of 
>>Rhudyn. Rhudyn is located on the Ri'Semaida about ten miles from the coast, 
>>and while ships are able to dock at Rhudyn their is a harbor city located at 
>>the mouth where all forigen ships dock. These are the docks that are to be 
>>expanded this year and then in the next few years the other cities will be 
>>expanded. After the expansion of the harbors attention will be turned to 
>>the road system. the ancient mirrish and sedonian roads will be restored to 
>>full fuctionality, and then they will focuse on adding more roads allowing 
>>greater access for the military, the farmers, and the miners.
>> 
>>
>
>Also note that part of the territory noted as Aixeldan on the map was 
>Rhudyn less than a generation ago. (See the events under Aixeldan on the 
>tripod site.) I wasn't in the game at the time so does anyone remember how 
>much Aixeldan took from Rhudyn?
>
>Jefferson
>http://www.picotech.net/~jeff_wilson63/rpg/Exq_Main.html
>
> 
>

Aixelsydan invaded northern Rhudyn, and successfully conquered and 
annexed the southern shore of the Straits of Annorrur. I believe the 
region was integrated into Aixelsydan in a military governorate, and 
established fortresses. I seem to recall that the annexation was very 
successful, and the Aixelsydanese grip on the southern shore very good. 
The limit was the mountains, where they built something they called the 
Earthen Veil (or was it the Timber Veil - there is one Veil in northern 
Aixelsydan, another newer one (1420s) in northern Rhudyn).

Ibrahim

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IbrahimDughlasGa
ibrahim

Mon

Jun 27
2005

07:09Z

[Cel] rhudyns actions for 1456

However, I imagine many Midsea countries wouldn't oppose Rhudyn 
reclaiming the southern shore of the Straits - currently Aixelsydan 
controls both and is able to restrict passage if it wants.  I am unsure 
if it charges a toll for passage - it probably does.

Ibrahim

Jason Heaps wrote:

>yea.  the part that Aixeldan annexed is shown on the map as being owned by aixeldan.
> 
>Jason Heaps
>
>ibrahim  wrote:
>Jefferson wrote:
>
>  
>
>>chad powell wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>    
>>
>>>action 4: internal trade
>>>there are four main cities in Rhudyn. three cities are along the coast the 
>>>capital, Rhudyn being one of them, and the fourth is located by the 
>>>mountians. the king wishing to expanded the trade is starting a project to 
>>>expanded the harbors in the three cities. he is starting at the city of 
>>>Rhudyn. Rhudyn is located on the Ri'Semaida about ten miles from the coast, 
>>>and while ships are able to dock at Rhudyn their is a harbor city located at 
>>>the mouth where all forigen ships dock. These are the docks that are to be 
>>>expanded this year and then in the next few years the other cities will be 
>>>expanded. After the expansion of the harbors attention will be turned to 
>>>the road system. the ancient mirrish and sedonian roads will be restored to 
>>>full fuctionality, and then they will focuse on adding more roads allowing 
>>>greater access for the military, the farmers, and the miners.
>>>
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>Also note that part of the territory noted as Aixeldan on the map was 
>>Rhudyn less than a generation ago. (See the events under Aixeldan on the 
>>tripod site.) I wasn't in the game at the time so does anyone remember how 
>>much Aixeldan took from Rhudyn?
>>
>>Jefferson
>>http://www.picotech.net/~jeff_wilson63/rpg/Exq_Main.html
>>
>>
>>
>>    
>>
>
>Aixelsydan invaded northern Rhudyn, and successfully conquered and 
>annexed the southern shore of the Straits of Annorrur. I believe the 
>region was integrated into Aixelsydan in a military governorate, and 
>established fortresses. I seem to recall that the annexation was very 
>successful, and the Aixelsydanese grip on the southern shore very good. 
>The limit was the mountains, where they built something they called the 
>Earthen Veil (or was it the Timber Veil - there is one Veil in northern 
>Aixelsydan, another newer one (1420s) in northern Rhudyn).
>
>Ibrahim
>
>  
>
>>    
>>
>
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JuhaVesanto
juuso

Mon

Jun 27
2005

10:39Z

[Cel] rhudyns actions for 1456

ibrahim wrote:
> However, I imagine many Midsea countries wouldn't oppose Rhudyn 
> reclaiming the southern shore of the Straits - currently Aixelsydan 
> controls both and is able to restrict passage if it wants.  I am unsure 
> if it charges a toll for passage - it probably does.

Oh yes.

"See, this is our strait, and we invested heavily into that campaign
years ago, and surely we are justified to gather some interest on
all those expenses. So, unless you want our privateers to harass you all
the way down to MiddleSea, you will pay this small price for the King's 
protective flag. Or you can take your goodies and walk over the mountains."

juuso

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Iso88591Qibrahim
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Mon

Jun 27
2005

16:07Z

[Cel] rhudyns actions for 1456

--- Juha Vesanto  wrote:

> > ibrahim wrote:
> > I am unsure if it charges a toll for passage - it 
> > probably does.
> 
> Oh yes.
> 
> "See, this is our strait, and we invested heavily
> into that campaign
> years ago, and surely we are justified to gather
> some interest on
> all those expenses. So, unless you want our
> privateers to harass you all
> the way down to MiddleSea, you will pay this small
> price for the King's 
> protective flag. Or you can take your goodies and
> walk over the mountains."

A good reason why many Midsea nations would not be
opposed to Rhudyn attempting to retake the southern
shore of the Straits.

I imagine even nations friendly to Aixelsydan would
not be against such an effort by Rhudyn.

Ibrahim


	
	
		
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AndrewJanssen
Andrew Janssen

Mon

Jun 27
2005

20:17Z

[Cel] rhudyns actions for 1456

--- Juha Vesanto  wrote:

> ibrahim wrote:
> > However, I imagine many Midsea countries wouldn't oppose Rhudyn 
> > reclaiming the southern shore of the Straits - currently Aixelsydan
> 
> > controls both and is able to restrict passage if it wants.  I am
> unsure 
> > if it charges a toll for passage - it probably does.
> 
> Oh yes.
> 
> "See, this is our strait, and we invested heavily into that campaign
> years ago, and surely we are justified to gather some interest on
> all those expenses. So, unless you want our privateers to harass you
> all
> the way down to MiddleSea, you will pay this small price for the
> King's 
> protective flag. Or you can take your goodies and walk over the
> mountains."

Actually, given the geography of the strait, the important thing is not
so much that the Aixelsydani control both sides of the strait, it's
that they control access to the pilots who know how to navigate through
the strait due to their local knowledge of winds, tides, & reefs.

Andrew
 
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AndrewJanssen
Andrew Janssen

Tue

Jun 28
2005

05:25Z

[Cel] rhudyns actions for 1456

Andrew Janssen wrote:
> --- Juha Vesanto  wrote:
> 
> 
>>ibrahim wrote:
>>
>>>However, I imagine many Midsea countries wouldn't oppose Rhudyn 
>>>reclaiming the southern shore of the Straits - currently Aixelsydan
>>
>>>controls both and is able to restrict passage if it wants.  I am
>>
>>unsure 
>>
>>>if it charges a toll for passage - it probably does.
>>
>>Oh yes.
>>
>>"See, this is our strait, and we invested heavily into that campaign
>>years ago, and surely we are justified to gather some interest on
>>all those expenses. So, unless you want our privateers to harass you
>>all
>>the way down to MiddleSea, you will pay this small price for the
>>King's 
>>protective flag. Or you can take your goodies and walk over the
>>mountains."
> 
> 
> Actually, given the geography of the strait, the important thing is not
> so much that the Aixelsydani control both sides of the strait, it's
> that they control access to the pilots who know how to navigate through
> the strait due to their local knowledge of winds, tides, & reefs.

In addition to what I said above (which I wrote when I was on break at 
work), the Sedonian Navy maintains a base on the island of Tolmersa, 
just inside the inner mouth of the Straits of Anorurr. The ships based 
there are, in theory, for supressing piracy in the Straits; in practice, 
they patrol the approach to the Straits, rather than the Straits 
themselves. Most of Tolmersa has been converted into a maximum-security 
prison facility.

The Straits are 400 miles long, 102 miles wide at the inner mouth, 85 
miles wide at the outer mouth, and ~47 miles wide at the two narrowest 
points. The Straits are fairly shallow, and both the inner and outer 
mouths are dangerously rocky due to submerged mountains (Measurements 
taken from my Campaign Cartographer map of Qaiyore).

I don't know if Qaiyore has recognized the concept of "territorial 
waters", but the Straits of Anorurr are wide enough that I could see 
groups like Ka'Shari, Celpalar, and Kaeir disputing Aixelsydan's claims.

Andrew

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IbrahimDughlasGa
ibrahim

Tue

Jun 28
2005

06:39Z

[Cel] rhudyns actions for 1456

Andrew Janssen wrote:

>Andrew Janssen wrote:
>  
>
>>--- Juha Vesanto  wrote:
>>
>>
>>    
>>
>>>ibrahim wrote:
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>However, I imagine many Midsea countries wouldn't oppose Rhudyn 
>>>>reclaiming the southern shore of the Straits - currently Aixelsydan
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>>controls both and is able to restrict passage if it wants.  I am
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>unsure 
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>if it charges a toll for passage - it probably does.
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>Oh yes.
>>>
>>>"See, this is our strait, and we invested heavily into that campaign
>>>years ago, and surely we are justified to gather some interest on
>>>all those expenses. So, unless you want our privateers to harass you
>>>all
>>>the way down to MiddleSea, you will pay this small price for the
>>>King's 
>>>protective flag. Or you can take your goodies and walk over the
>>>mountains."
>>>      
>>>
>>Actually, given the geography of the strait, the important thing is not
>>so much that the Aixelsydani control both sides of the strait, it's
>>that they control access to the pilots who know how to navigate through
>>the strait due to their local knowledge of winds, tides, & reefs.
>>    
>>
>
>In addition to what I said above (which I wrote when I was on break at 
>work), the Sedonian Navy maintains a base on the island of Tolmersa, 
>just inside the inner mouth of the Straits of Anorurr. The ships based 
>there are, in theory, for supressing piracy in the Straits; in practice, 
>they patrol the approach to the Straits, rather than the Straits 
>themselves. Most of Tolmersa has been converted into a maximum-security 
>prison facility.
>
>The Straits are 400 miles long, 102 miles wide at the inner mouth, 85 
>miles wide at the outer mouth, and ~47 miles wide at the two narrowest 
>points. The Straits are fairly shallow, and both the inner and outer 
>mouths are dangerously rocky due to submerged mountains (Measurements 
>taken from my Campaign Cartographer map of Qaiyore).
>
>I don't know if Qaiyore has recognized the concept of "territorial 
>waters", but the Straits of Anorurr are wide enough that I could see 
>groups like Ka'Shari, Celpalar, and Kaeir disputing Aixelsydan's claims.
>  
>

Given the Sedonian Naval base on Tolmersa, it might be likely that 
Aixelsydan does not attempt to enforce a toll (i can't imagine that the 
Aixelsydanese would want to miss the Sedonian fleet).

Ibrahim



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IbrahimDughlasGa
ibrahim

Tue

Jun 28
2005

07:05Z

[Cel] rhudyns actions for 1456

ibrahim wrote:

>Andrew Janssen wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Andrew Janssen wrote:
>> 
>>
>>    
>>
>>>--- Juha Vesanto  wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>   
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>ibrahim wrote:
>>>>
>>>>     
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>>>However, I imagine many Midsea countries wouldn't oppose Rhudyn 
>>>>>reclaiming the southern shore of the Straits - currently Aixelsydan
>>>>>       
>>>>>
>>>>>controls both and is able to restrict passage if it wants.  I am
>>>>>       
>>>>>
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>>>unsure 
>>>>
>>>>     
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>>>if it charges a toll for passage - it probably does.
>>>>>       
>>>>>
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>>>Oh yes.
>>>>
>>>>"See, this is our strait, and we invested heavily into that campaign
>>>>years ago, and surely we are justified to gather some interest on
>>>>all those expenses. So, unless you want our privateers to harass you
>>>>all
>>>>the way down to MiddleSea, you will pay this small price for the
>>>>King's 
>>>>protective flag. Or you can take your goodies and walk over the
>>>>mountains."
>>>>     
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>Actually, given the geography of the strait, the important thing is not
>>>so much that the Aixelsydani control both sides of the strait, it's
>>>that they control access to the pilots who know how to navigate through
>>>the strait due to their local knowledge of winds, tides, & reefs.
>>>   
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>In addition to what I said above (which I wrote when I was on break at 
>>work), the Sedonian Navy maintains a base on the island of Tolmersa, 
>>just inside the inner mouth of the Straits of Anorurr. The ships based 
>>there are, in theory, for supressing piracy in the Straits; in practice, 
>>they patrol the approach to the Straits, rather than the Straits 
>>themselves. Most of Tolmersa has been converted into a maximum-security 
>>prison facility.
>>
>>The Straits are 400 miles long, 102 miles wide at the inner mouth, 85 
>>miles wide at the outer mouth, and ~47 miles wide at the two narrowest 
>>points. The Straits are fairly shallow, and both the inner and outer 
>>mouths are dangerously rocky due to submerged mountains (Measurements 
>>taken from my Campaign Cartographer map of Qaiyore).
>>
>>I don't know if Qaiyore has recognized the concept of "territorial 
>>waters", but the Straits of Anorurr are wide enough that I could see 
>>groups like Ka'Shari, Celpalar, and Kaeir disputing Aixelsydan's claims.
>> 
>>
>>    
>>
>
>Given the Sedonian Naval base on Tolmersa, it might be likely that 
>Aixelsydan does not attempt to enforce a toll (i can't imagine that the 
>Aixelsydanese would want to [mess with] the Sedonian fleet).
>  
>

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AndrewJanssen
Andrew Janssen

Tue

Jun 28
2005

07:13Z

[Cel] rhudyns actions for 1456

ibrahim wrote:

> Andrew Janssen wrote:
> 
> 
>>Andrew Janssen wrote:
>> 
>>
>>
>>>--- Juha Vesanto  wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>   
>>>
>>>
>>>>ibrahim wrote:
>>>>
>>>>     
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>However, I imagine many Midsea countries wouldn't oppose Rhudyn 
>>>>>reclaiming the southern shore of the Straits - currently Aixelsydan
>>>>>       
>>>>>
>>>>>controls both and is able to restrict passage if it wants.  I am
>>>>>       
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>unsure 
>>>>
>>>>     
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>if it charges a toll for passage - it probably does.
>>>>>       
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Oh yes.
>>>>
>>>>"See, this is our strait, and we invested heavily into that campaign
>>>>years ago, and surely we are justified to gather some interest on
>>>>all those expenses. So, unless you want our privateers to harass you
>>>>all
>>>>the way down to MiddleSea, you will pay this small price for the
>>>>King's 
>>>>protective flag. Or you can take your goodies and walk over the
>>>>mountains."
>>>>     
>>>>
>>>
>>>Actually, given the geography of the strait, the important thing is not
>>>so much that the Aixelsydani control both sides of the strait, it's
>>>that they control access to the pilots who know how to navigate through
>>>the strait due to their local knowledge of winds, tides, & reefs.
>>>   
>>>
>>
>>In addition to what I said above (which I wrote when I was on break at 
>>work), the Sedonian Navy maintains a base on the island of Tolmersa, 
>>just inside the inner mouth of the Straits of Anorurr. The ships based 
>>there are, in theory, for supressing piracy in the Straits; in practice, 
>>they patrol the approach to the Straits, rather than the Straits 
>>themselves. Most of Tolmersa has been converted into a maximum-security 
>>prison facility.
>>
>>The Straits are 400 miles long, 102 miles wide at the inner mouth, 85 
>>miles wide at the outer mouth, and ~47 miles wide at the two narrowest 
>>points. The Straits are fairly shallow, and both the inner and outer 
>>mouths are dangerously rocky due to submerged mountains (Measurements 
>>taken from my Campaign Cartographer map of Qaiyore).
>>
>>I don't know if Qaiyore has recognized the concept of "territorial 
>>waters", but the Straits of Anorurr are wide enough that I could see 
>>groups like Ka'Shari, Celpalar, and Kaeir disputing Aixelsydan's claims.
>> 
>>
> 
> 
> Given the Sedonian Naval base on Tolmersa, it might be likely that 
> Aixelsydan does not attempt to enforce a toll (i can't imagine that the 
> Aixelsydanese would want to miss the Sedonian fleet).

True, but the Sedonian Navy is a fraction of what it was in Imperial 
times, and there are only 8 to 10 ships on the Tolmersa station at any 
given time. They're mainly there to keep down piracy, and occasionally 
sortie through the Straits to slap down Razanian "freedom fighters" from 
Arisya(sp?) who get too aggressive in their fundraising practices. The 
Aixelsydanese tried to invade the island twice after the fall of the old 
Empire, and got their heads handed to them both times.

Andrew


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Jun 28
2005

07:39Z

[Cel] rhudyns actions for 1456

One thing to remember is that Axi. started to uses magic to create a "maze" under water so that people would have to pay a tole to go through the straight.  The toll being the form of highering their guids.
 
Jason Heaps

Andrew Janssen  wrote:
ibrahim wrote:

> Andrew Janssen wrote:
> 
> 
>>Andrew Janssen wrote:
>> 
>>
>>
>>>--- Juha Vesanto wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>>>ibrahim wrote:
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>However, I imagine many Midsea countries wouldn't oppose Rhudyn 
>>>>>reclaiming the southern shore of the Straits - currently Aixelsydan
>>>>> 
>>>>>
>>>>>controls both and is able to restrict passage if it wants. I am
>>>>> 
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>unsure 
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>if it charges a toll for passage - it probably does.
>>>>> 
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Oh yes.
>>>>
>>>>"See, this is our strait, and we invested heavily into that campaign
>>>>years ago, and surely we are justified to gather some interest on
>>>>all those expenses. So, unless you want our privateers to harass you
>>>>all
>>>>the way down to MiddleSea, you will pay this small price for the
>>>>King's 
>>>>protective flag. Or you can take your goodies and walk over the
>>>>mountains."
>>>> 
>>>>
>>>
>>>Actually, given the geography of the strait, the important thing is not
>>>so much that the Aixelsydani control both sides of the strait, it's
>>>that they control access to the pilots who know how to navigate through
>>>the strait due to their local knowledge of winds, tides, & reefs.
>>> 
>>>
>>
>>In addition to what I said above (which I wrote when I was on break at 
>>work), the Sedonian Navy maintains a base on the island of Tolmersa, 
>>just inside the inner mouth of the Straits of Anorurr. The ships based 
>>there are, in theory, for supressing piracy in the Straits; in practice, 
>>they patrol the approach to the Straits, rather than the Straits 
>>themselves. Most of Tolmersa has been converted into a maximum-security 
>>prison facility.
>>
>>The Straits are 400 miles long, 102 miles wide at the inner mouth, 85 
>>miles wide at the outer mouth, and ~47 miles wide at the two narrowest 
>>points. The Straits are fairly shallow, and both the inner and outer 
>>mouths are dangerously rocky due to submerged mountains (Measurements 
>>taken from my Campaign Cartographer map of Qaiyore).
>>
>>I don't know if Qaiyore has recognized the concept of "territorial 
>>waters", but the Straits of Anorurr are wide enough that I could see 
>>groups like Ka'Shari, Celpalar, and Kaeir disputing Aixelsydan's claims.
>> 
>>
> 
> 
> Given the Sedonian Naval base on Tolmersa, it might be likely that 
> Aixelsydan does not attempt to enforce a toll (i can't imagine that the 
> Aixelsydanese would want to miss the Sedonian fleet).

True, but the Sedonian Navy is a fraction of what it was in Imperial 
times, and there are only 8 to 10 ships on the Tolmersa station at any 
given time. They're mainly there to keep down piracy, and occasionally 
sortie through the Straits to slap down Razanian "freedom fighters" from 
Arisya(sp?) who get too aggressive in their fundraising practices. The 
Aixelsydanese tried to invade the island twice after the fall of the old 
Empire, and got their heads handed to them both times.

Andrew


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juuso

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Jul 6
2005

06:14Z

[Cel] rhudyns actions for 1456

chad powell wrote:
> Some aspects of my actions are from my history that is being written and 
> expanded.  I have included a few elements of it in here to briefly explain 
> the actions.
   <...>
> fudge points: (Juuso do I have any?)

Not yet. You will when you submit the history you referred to above.

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