OK. I've reached the end of the write-ups for the Persona of the MidSea Tarot (http://www.picotech.net/~jeff_wilson63/rpg/Exq_Tarot.html) and will be starting on the Arcana here soon. The arcana all have some notes associated with them, and I'd welcome any comments about major aspects of existence which I might have forgotten to include in the Tarot. Other comments would also be welcome, of course (and I'm still looking for help with the pictures for the ephemera). I've also started on an ideographic language and glyph system based on the MidSea Tarot; the Glyphica Arcana (http://www.picotech.net/~jeff_wilson63/myths/BabelTarot.html). Comments on this would be appreciated as well. -- Jefferson http://www.picotech.net/~jeff_wilson63/rpg/Exq_Main.html ---------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, send mail to celandra-off@phoenyx.net.
Jefferson wrote: > OK. I've reached the end of the write-ups for the Persona of the MidSea > Tarot (http://www.picotech.net/~jeff_wilson63/rpg/Exq_Tarot.html) and will > be starting on the Arcana here soon. The arcana all have some notes > associated with them, and I'd welcome any comments about major aspects of > existence which I might have forgotten to include in the Tarot. Other > comments would also be welcome, of course (and I'm still looking for help > with the pictures for the ephemera). > > I've also started on an ideographic language and glyph system based on the > MidSea Tarot; the Glyphica Arcana > (http://www.picotech.net/~jeff_wilson63/myths/BabelTarot.html). Comments > on this would be appreciated as well. > As far as the Tarot goes, no comments as yet. For the glyphica, VOS word order is *very* uncommon in human languages (which does add to the 'alienness' of a language)[1]. It's a clever idea and fills a gap in our world-building. The only other comment is that some of the images don't seem to display properly. [1] As an aside, the most common word order patterns are SOV(~40%), SVO(~40%) and VSO(~15%). The remaining possibilities, VOS, OVS, and OSV account for the remaining 5%. Some sample sentences: SOV: John fish ate. SVO: John ate fish. VSO: Ate John fish. OVS: Fish ate John. VOS: Ate fish John. OSV: Fish John ate. OSV is perhaps better known as Yoda-speak. Since the Glyphica is a rather special purpose language, the next bit might not be totally relevant, but here it is. Besides the ordering of verbs, subjects, and objects, the other ordering that grammarians are concerned with is that of adjectives, nouns, and relative clauses. Some samples: NAR: men big who eat quiche ANR: big men who eat quiche ARN: big quiche who eat men* NRA: men who eat quiche big* RNA: quiche eat who men big RAN: quiche eat who big men. ARN and NRA are starred because *no* human language uses those orderings. If you're really keen on languages, check out http://www.zompist.com/kit.html I've had it in my bookmarks for 10 years, at least. Andrew ---------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, send mail to celandra-off@phoenyx.net.
Andrew Janssen wrote: > Jefferson wrote: > > As far as the Tarot goes, no comments as yet. For the glyphica, VOS word > order is *very* uncommon in human languages (which does add to the > 'alienness' of a language)[1]. It's a clever idea and fills a gap in our > world-building. My thought was to use the glyphs primarily for magic. Thus the importance is: 1) what's happening, 2) what is it affecting, 3) who's doing it. That's what determined the word order. Thus, a mage can take a standard glyph and just add on to the end. > The only other comment is that some of the images don't > seem to display properly. For the individual marker glyphs I haven't uploaded them yet. Since they don't fill the entire symbol "box" I can't just convert my vector graphics to gifs like I can with the rest of the symbols. If something else is broken, let me know and I'll fix it. > > > [1] As an aside, the most common word order patterns are SOV(~40%), > SVO(~40%) and VSO(~15%). The remaining possibilities, VOS, OVS, and OSV > account for the remaining 5%. > > Some sample sentences: > > SOV: John fish ate. > SVO: John ate fish. > VSO: Ate John fish. > OVS: Fish ate John. > VOS: Ate fish John. > OSV: Fish John ate. > > OSV is perhaps better known as Yoda-speak. > > Since the Glyphica is a rather special purpose language, the next bit > might not be totally relevant, but here it is. Besides the ordering of > verbs, subjects, and objects, the other ordering that grammarians are > concerned with is that of adjectives, nouns, and relative clauses. Some > samples: > > NAR: men big who eat quiche > ANR: big men who eat quiche > ARN: big quiche who eat men* > NRA: men who eat quiche big* > RNA: quiche eat who men big > RAN: quiche eat who big men. Right now I'm thinking that the glyphica uses Noun-Adjective (or Verb-Adverb) order, with relative clauses depending _below_ the main sentence line. So: | Men | Big | | eat | | quiche | (See verse six in the Babel text where an adverbial "behold" depends below the verb "reason." The actual quote will fall below that.) > ARN and NRA are starred because *no* human language uses those > orderings. If you're really keen on languages, check out > > http://www.zompist.com/kit.html > > I've had it in my bookmarks for 10 years, at least. Thanks. I'm familiar with the site, but I lost my bookmarks not too long ago and now I won't have to go digging when I need it. Jefferson http://www.picotech.net/~jeff_wilson63/myths/ ---------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, send mail to celandra-off@phoenyx.net.
Jefferson wrote: > Andrew Janssen wrote: > >>The only other comment is that some of the images don't >>seem to display properly. > > > For the individual marker glyphs I haven't uploaded them yet. Since they > don't fill the entire symbol "box" I can't just convert my vector graphics > to gifs like I can with the rest of the symbols. > What was the original format that you used? Depending on what the original program was, I can probably convert the Glyphica into Campaign Cartographer symbols. Conversion is possible from a .GIF, but it's a more involed process. Andrew ---------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, send mail to celandra-off@phoenyx.net.
Andrew Janssen wrote: > Jefferson wrote: >>Andrew Janssen wrote: > >>>The only other comment is that some of the images don't >>>seem to display properly. >> >>For the individual marker glyphs I haven't uploaded them yet. Since they >>don't fill the entire symbol "box" I can't just convert my vector graphics >>to gifs like I can with the rest of the symbols. > > What was the original format that you used? Depending on what the > original program was, I can probably convert the Glyphica into Campaign > Cartographer symbols. Conversion is possible from a .GIF, but it's a > more involed process. .wpg (v. 6.0), but I can save in other vector formats as well. Jefferson http://www.picotech.net/~jeff_wilson63/rpg/Exq_Main.html ---------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, send mail to celandra-off@phoenyx.net.
Jefferson wrote: > Andrew Janssen wrote: > >>Jefferson wrote: >> >>>Andrew Janssen wrote: >> >>>>The only other comment is that some of the images don't >>>>seem to display properly. >>> >>>For the individual marker glyphs I haven't uploaded them yet. Since they >>>don't fill the entire symbol "box" I can't just convert my vector graphics >>>to gifs like I can with the rest of the symbols. >> >>What was the original format that you used? Depending on what the >>original program was, I can probably convert the Glyphica into Campaign >>Cartographer symbols. Conversion is possible from a .GIF, but it's a >>more involed process. > > > .wpg (v. 6.0), but I can save in other vector formats as well. Hm. CC-Pro can directly import AutoCAD's .dwg & .dxf files, and EasyCAD's .ecw files. Anything else, I'd have to run through PaintShopPro first. PSP can import .wpg files directly, also. Could you zap me a .zip of the .wpg files? Andrew > Jefferson > http://www.picotech.net/~jeff_wilson63/rpg/Exq_Main.html > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, send mail to celandra-off@phoenyx.net. > ---------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, send mail to celandra-off@phoenyx.net.
