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Celandra is a game in which the players take the roles of societies, rather than playing individual characters. The players will invent a society with its culture and heritage, and will guide its development and interaction with the world. Emphasis will be be placed on developing a detailed history of Celandra, along with myths and legends.
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JasonHeaps
Jason Heaps

Wed

Aug 3
2005

22:26Z

[Cel] Chart of Royal families.

I am adding to the files section a chart showing the Miracradsa family with the connection with other royal/noble families.  I have included the royal family of Burcancy.  some of the names are from the page other i made up.  So if burcancy gets a player and hew wants to change the names it is possible
 
I have also included the Sedonia  royal family.  I only included names that I had.  Andrew if you would like to fill in the blanks or add to the chart let me know.
 
Also if anyone can come up with a better back ground I would like that.
 
Warning it is Huge.  I did not realise how big it was.
 
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AndrewJanssen
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Wed

Aug 3
2005

22:38Z

[Cel] Chart of Royal families.

Well, if nothing else, Jason, I can convert it into a smaller file format.

Andrew

Jason Heaps wrote:

> I am adding to the files section a chart showing the Miracradsa family with the connection with other royal/noble families.  I have included the royal family of Burcancy.  some of the names are from the page other i made up.  So if burcancy gets a player and hew wants to change the names it is possible
>  
> I have also included the Sedonia  royal family.  I only included names that I had.  Andrew if you would like to fill in the blanks or add to the chart let me know.
>  
> Also if anyone can come up with a better back ground I would like that.
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> Warning it is Huge.  I did not realise how big it was.
>  
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AndrewJanssen
Andrew Janssen

Wed

Aug 3
2005

22:44Z

[Cel] Chart of Royal families.

Andrew Janssen wrote:

> Well, if nothing else, Jason, I can convert it into a smaller file format.

20+ minutes to download, yikes!

Andrew


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> Jason Heaps wrote:
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>>I am adding to the files section a chart showing the Miracradsa family with the connection with other royal/noble families.  I have included the royal family of Burcancy.  some of the names are from the page other i made up.  So if burcancy gets a player and hew wants to change the names it is possible
>> 
>>I have also included the Sedonia  royal family.  I only included names that I had.  Andrew if you would like to fill in the blanks or add to the chart let me know.
>> 
>>Also if anyone can come up with a better back ground I would like that.
>> 
>>Warning it is Huge.  I did not realise how big it was.
>> 
>>Jason Heaps
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JasonHeaps
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Wed

Aug 3
2005

22:46Z

[Cel] Chart of Royal families.

That would be useful to.
 
Thanks
 
Jason Heaps

Andrew Janssen  wrote:
Well, if nothing else, Jason, I can convert it into a smaller file format.

Andrew

Jason Heaps wrote:

> I am adding to the files section a chart showing the Miracradsa family with the connection with other royal/noble families. I have included the royal family of Burcancy. some of the names are from the page other i made up. So if burcancy gets a player and hew wants to change the names it is possible
> 
> I have also included the Sedonia royal family. I only included names that I had. Andrew if you would like to fill in the blanks or add to the chart let me know.
> 
> Also if anyone can come up with a better back ground I would like that.
> 
> Warning it is Huge. I did not realise how big it was.
> 
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AndrewJanssen
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Wed

Aug 3
2005

23:08Z

[Cel] Chart of Royal families.

Actually, what I think really needs to be done, is break the chart up 
into several smaller charts. However, converting to a .gif should 
drastically shrink the file size.

Andrew

Jason Heaps wrote:

> That would be useful to.
>  
> Thanks
>  
> Jason Heaps
> 
> Andrew Janssen  wrote:
> Well, if nothing else, Jason, I can convert it into a smaller file format.
> 
> Andrew
> 
> Jason Heaps wrote:
> 
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>>I am adding to the files section a chart showing the Miracradsa family with the connection with other royal/noble families. I have included the royal family of Burcancy. some of the names are from the page other i made up. So if burcancy gets a player and hew wants to change the names it is possible
>>
>>I have also included the Sedonia royal family. I only included names that I had. Andrew if you would like to fill in the blanks or add to the chart let me know.
>>
>>Also if anyone can come up with a better back ground I would like that.
>>
>>Warning it is Huge. I did not realise how big it was.
>>
>>Jason Heaps
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KarenCravens
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Thu

Aug 4
2005

02:51Z

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> 20+ minutes to download, yikes!

20+
minutes in which pretty much nobody else can access the Phoenyx' website,
too.

Please don't use uncompressed graphics formats like BMPs.  JPGs, GIFs,
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JasonHeaps
Jason Heaps

Thu

Aug 4
2005

03:11Z

[Cel] Chart of Royal families.

I will take it off an put it in another format.  How do I get it off?
 
Jason Heaps

KarenCravens.6171458@bloglines.com wrote:
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> 20+ minutes to download, yikes!

20+
minutes in which pretty much nobody else can access the Phoenyx' website,
too.

Please don't use uncompressed graphics formats like BMPs. JPGs, GIFs,
PNGs, those are all good.

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KarenCravens
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Thu

Aug 4
2005

03:38Z

[Cel] Chart of Royal families.

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IbrahimDughlasGa
ibrahim

Thu

Aug 4
2005

06:54Z

[Cel] Chart of Royal families.

An interesting chart.

I wonder if the royal families of other nations figure in this somehow 
(Taltheran, Milakanur, Old Timarin for example).

The Taltherani royal house is of course dead in most senses of the 
word.  Undoubtedly there would some minor branches surviving, who could 
definitely serve as rallying points for Taltherani patriots.  The main 
branches of the royal house though are seemingly extinct.

I wonder what happened to the ancient royal house of the Principality of 
Timarin (which was swallowed up several decades ago by Sedonia, Mir and 
Taltheran in the chaos that followed the last demon invasion).  I 
imagine that they would have had ties to Sedonian bloodlines somehow, 
though they may have devolved to simply a noble-level house in probably 
Kaeirean Tirmaeir. 

Perhaps there is some intermarriage between the Mirrish and Milakanuri 
royal households, given both nations' propensity towards magic and 
mysticism?

Ibrahim

p.s.

The dissolution of Timarin interestingly leads to the Taltherani 
annexation of northern Tirmar and later the conquest of Kaeir, which was 
followed by the rise of the Kaeirean Republic, and of course, the 
current crisis in Taltheran.

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AndrewJanssen
Andrew Janssen

Thu

Aug 4
2005

07:02Z

[Cel] Chart of Royal families.

ibrahim wrote:

> An interesting chart.
> 
> I wonder if the royal families of other nations figure in this somehow 
> (Taltheran, Milakanur, Old Timarin for example).
> 
> The Taltherani royal house is of course dead in most senses of the 
> word.  Undoubtedly there would some minor branches surviving, who could 
> definitely serve as rallying points for Taltherani patriots.  The main 
> branches of the royal house though are seemingly extinct.

Empress Yzara could make a claim for the Taltherani throne, in theory, 
since her paternal grandmother was a cousin to the Taltherani royal 
family. There are other Taltherani nobles with stronger claims, however.

> I wonder what happened to the ancient royal house of the Principality of 
> Timarin (which was swallowed up several decades ago by Sedonia, Mir and 
> Taltheran in the chaos that followed the last demon invasion).  I 
> imagine that they would have had ties to Sedonian bloodlines somehow, 
> though they may have devolved to simply a noble-level house in probably 
> Kaeirean Tirmaeir. 

My understanding was that the line of the Princes of Tirmar had become 
extinct prior to the Sinari War, when Sedonia & Taltheran partitioned 
the region.

Andrew

> Perhaps there is some intermarriage between the Mirrish and Milakanuri 
> royal households, given both nations' propensity towards magic and 
> mysticism?
> 
> Ibrahim
> 
> p.s.
> 
> The dissolution of Timarin interestingly leads to the Taltherani 
> annexation of northern Tirmar and later the conquest of Kaeir, which was 
> followed by the rise of the Kaeirean Republic, and of course, the 
> current crisis in Taltheran.
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IbrahimDughlasGa
ibrahim

Thu

Aug 4
2005

07:13Z

[Cel] Chart of Royal families.

Andrew Janssen wrote:

>ibrahim wrote:
>
>  
>
>>An interesting chart.
>>
>>I wonder if the royal families of other nations figure in this somehow 
>>(Taltheran, Milakanur, Old Timarin for example).
>>
>>The Taltherani royal house is of course dead in most senses of the 
>>word.  Undoubtedly there would some minor branches surviving, who could 
>>definitely serve as rallying points for Taltherani patriots.  The main 
>>branches of the royal house though are seemingly extinct.
>>    
>>
>
>Empress Yzara could make a claim for the Taltherani throne, in theory, 
>since her paternal grandmother was a cousin to the Taltherani royal 
>family. There are other Taltherani nobles with stronger claims, however.
>  
>
Interesting.  Kaeir also could make a claim, being descended from the 
old Taltherani Principality of Kaeir.  Claims, claims and counter-claims 
though make for interests dynamics in the region.

>  
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JasonHeaps
Jason Heaps

Thu

Aug 4
2005

07:25Z

[Cel] Chart of Royal families.

Any marriages between Mir an Milkanuri would have occured over two thousand years ago.  (Since during the age of Sorcerery the Royal family disappered with the Crown of Mir.  A old and mystical artifact, which is bonded to the Celamyrsa family and the Isle of Celamyr that is one of the ways Eubratosa was able to slowlly restore the monarchy.  When he assended the Throne of the Archmage and reveled he possed the crown.)

They might have married off some of the Mirrish branches to Milakanur at that time.  There is also a chance that the Celamyrsa is related to the royal house of the ancient Avearans.  since the two were contemperary for about a hundred years.
 
As you may have noticed I color cordinated and their were two colors that had no houses.  The Black were just plain Sorcerers of Sorceress.  The Orange were nobles who either had no house.  One of them I had desided was married to a native noble from Yora'Timar.  I proble could expand that line.  Hum
 
Andrew and Ibriahim do you think we should do a chart for each of the Houses?  that way they can fit on the page.  I can just keep a master copy and send it to anyone who wants to see it.  Because I have a passion for family history/geneology and I find doing this fun.  It might be intresing to see how much we could do.
 
So If you would like I can make a version for the large extented of the Royal/Noble families of Midsea.  (I find it fun.)  So if you would like me to I can create the charts.
 
I would still like a better back ground, which with them being smaller would be much easyer.  Humm
 
Jason Heaps

Andrew Janssen  wrote:
ibrahim wrote:

> An interesting chart.
> 
> I wonder if the royal families of other nations figure in this somehow 
> (Taltheran, Milakanur, Old Timarin for example).
> 
> The Taltherani royal house is of course dead in most senses of the 
> word. Undoubtedly there would some minor branches surviving, who could 
> definitely serve as rallying points for Taltherani patriots. The main 
> branches of the royal house though are seemingly extinct.

Empress Yzara could make a claim for the Taltherani throne, in theory, 
since her paternal grandmother was a cousin to the Taltherani royal 
family. There are other Taltherani nobles with stronger claims, however.

> I wonder what happened to the ancient royal house of the Principality of 
> Timarin (which was swallowed up several decades ago by Sedonia, Mir and 
> Taltheran in the chaos that followed the last demon invasion). I 
> imagine that they would have had ties to Sedonian bloodlines somehow, 
> though they may have devolved to simply a noble-level house in probably 
> Kaeirean Tirmaeir. 

My understanding was that the line of the Princes of Tirmar had become 
extinct prior to the Sinari War, when Sedonia & Taltheran partitioned 
the region.

Andrew

> Perhaps there is some intermarriage between the Mirrish and Milakanuri 
> royal households, given both nations' propensity towards magic and 
> mysticism?
> 
> Ibrahim
> 
> p.s.
> 
> The dissolution of Timarin interestingly leads to the Taltherani 
> annexation of northern Tirmar and later the conquest of Kaeir, which was 
> followed by the rise of the Kaeirean Republic, and of course, the 
> current crisis in Taltheran.
> 
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Andrew Janssen

Thu

Aug 4
2005

07:50Z

[Cel] Chart of Royal families.

Well, I've done charts for Mir, Burcancy, and Sedonia. See 
http://www.phoenyx.net/cgi-bin/twiki/bin/view/Celandra/RoyalHousesOfTheMidSea

I've included a .gif conversion I did of your chart, Jason, but I didn't 
put it on the main page to save space.

Andrew

Jason Heaps wrote:

> Any marriages between Mir an Milkanuri would have occured over two thousand years ago.  (Since during the age of Sorcerery the Royal family disappered with the Crown of Mir.  A old and mystical artifact, which is bonded to the Celamyrsa family and the Isle of Celamyr that is one of the ways Eubratosa was able to slowlly restore the monarchy.  When he assended the Throne of the Archmage and reveled he possed the crown.)
> 
> They might have married off some of the Mirrish branches to Milakanur at that time.  There is also a chance that the Celamyrsa is related to the royal house of the ancient Avearans.  since the two were contemperary for about a hundred years.
>  
> As you may have noticed I color cordinated and their were two colors that had no houses.  The Black were just plain Sorcerers of Sorceress.  The Orange were nobles who either had no house.  One of them I had desided was married to a native noble from Yora'Timar.  I proble could expand that line.  Hum
>  
> Andrew and Ibriahim do you think we should do a chart for each of the Houses?  that way they can fit on the page.  I can just keep a master copy and send it to anyone who wants to see it.  Because I have a passion for family history/geneology and I find doing this fun.  It might be intresing to see how much we could do.
>  
> So If you would like I can make a version for the large extented of the Royal/Noble families of Midsea.  (I find it fun.)  So if you would like me to I can create the charts.
>  
> I would still like a better back ground, which with them being smaller would be much easyer.  Humm
>  
> Jason Heaps
> 

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IbrahimDughlasGa
ibrahim

Thu

Aug 4
2005

08:18Z

[Cel] Chart of Royal families.

i'll try to do something similiar for the Kaeirean nobility (at least 
the major Houses, as the Old Houses that are recorded in the Green Book 
and therefore hold a seat in the Great Council of the Republic run into 
the hundreds).  Only one or two would be possibility related to major 
bloodlines, such as the Taltherani and Old Timarin, and possibly even 
centuries back with distant branches of the Sedonian and Mirrish lines 
(though nothing of significance).  The most important bloodlines though 
would be the native Houses of the Isles, such as the Van Adins, as 
supporters of the Green Lady's traditions.

Ibrahim

Andrew Janssen wrote:

>Well, I've done charts for Mir, Burcancy, and Sedonia. See 
>http://www.phoenyx.net/cgi-bin/twiki/bin/view/Celandra/RoyalHousesOfTheMidSea
>
>I've included a .gif conversion I did of your chart, Jason, but I didn't 
>put it on the main page to save space.
>
>Andrew
>
>Jason Heaps wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Any marriages between Mir an Milkanuri would have occured over two thousand years ago.  (Since during the age of Sorcerery the Royal family disappered with the Crown of Mir.  A old and mystical artifact, which is bonded to the Celamyrsa family and the Isle of Celamyr that is one of the ways Eubratosa was able to slowlly restore the monarchy.  When he assended the Throne of the Archmage and reveled he possed the crown.)
>>
>>They might have married off some of the Mirrish branches to Milakanur at that time.  There is also a chance that the Celamyrsa is related to the royal house of the ancient Avearans.  since the two were contemperary for about a hundred years.
>> 
>>As you may have noticed I color cordinated and their were two colors that had no houses.  The Black were just plain Sorcerers of Sorceress.  The Orange were nobles who either had no house.  One of them I had desided was married to a native noble from Yora'Timar.  I proble could expand that line.  Hum
>> 
>>Andrew and Ibriahim do you think we should do a chart for each of the Houses?  that way they can fit on the page.  I can just keep a master copy and send it to anyone who wants to see it.  Because I have a passion for family history/geneology and I find doing this fun.  It might be intresing to see how much we could do.
>> 
>>So If you would like I can make a version for the large extented of the Royal/Noble families of Midsea.  (I find it fun.)  So if you would like me to I can create the charts.
>> 
>>I would still like a better back ground, which with them being smaller would be much easyer.  Humm
>> 
>>Jason Heaps
>>
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IbrahimDughlasGa
ibrahim

Thu

Aug 4
2005

08:01Z

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Jason Heaps wrote:

>Any marriages between Mir an Milkanuri would have occured over two thousand years ago.  (Since during the age of Sorcerery the Royal family disappered with the Crown of Mir.  A old and mystical artifact, which is bonded to the Celamyrsa family and the Isle of Celamyr that is one of the ways Eubratosa was able to slowlly restore the monarchy.  When he assended the Throne of the Archmage and reveled he possed the crown.)
>
>They might have married off some of the Mirrish branches to Milakanur at that time.  There is also a chance that the Celamyrsa is related to the royal house of the ancient Avearans.  since the two were contemperary for about a hundred years.
>  
>
So there probably is a strong degree of cultural and intellectual 
contact between the two societies, or at least some kind of pathos.  
That would pose a potential obstacle to Kaeirean intentions in the north 
Midsea and the Calarnar, and overcome somehow, possibly by placating Mir 
in some manner.

Not much has come out of Mir in recent years though, so I wonder if 
Milakanur is in a period of prolonged withdrawal from the rest of the 
Midsea (the last major contribution to Qaiyore being the founder of the 
Millat, the Conveyor Faymiyun, a native Milakanuri who was exiled into 
the Calarnari desert).



> 
>As you may have noticed I color cordinated and their were two colors that had no houses.  The Black were just plain Sorcerers of Sorceress.  The Orange were nobles who either had no house.  One of them I had desided was married to a native noble from Yora'Timar.  I proble could expand that line.  Hum
> 
>Andrew and Ibriahim do you think we should do a chart for each of the Houses?  that way they can fit on the page.  I can just keep a master copy and send it to anyone who wants to see it.  Because I have a passion for family history/geneology and I find doing this fun.  It might be intresing to see how much we could do.
> 
>So If you would like I can make a version for the large extented of the Royal/Noble families of Midsea.  (I find it fun.)  So if you would like me to I can create the charts.
>  
>
It would probably be a good idea, especially as the Midsea is in a 
period when marriages of state play an important role in the making of 
peace and war.

 From a Kaeirean perspective though, such marriages are only important 
for determining how to calculate relations between two other states, as 
the Kaeirean head of state, the Pro-Consul, is forbidden from marrying 
without Senate approval (as a preventative against monarchy).

Ibrahim

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