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Celandra is a game in which the players take the roles of societies, rather than playing individual characters. The players will invent a society with its culture and heritage, and will guide its development and interaction with the world. Emphasis will be be placed on developing a detailed history of Celandra, along with myths and legends.
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AndrewJanssen
Andrew Janssen

Thu

Sep 1
2005

04:43Z

[Cel] Sedonian Diplomatic Missions

Sedonia maintains both a diplomatic service and a consular service. The 
diplomatic service is primarily concerned with maintaining relationships 
with other governments, while the consular service helps to protect the 
interests of Sedonians travelling abroad--primarily traders. In order of 
descending seniority, the grades of diplomatic and consular missions are:
+-------------------+-------------------+
| Diplomatic        | Consular          |
+-------------------+-------------------+
| Embassy           | Consulate-General |
| Legation          | Consulate         |
| Resident Mission  | Vice-Consulate    |
| Diplomatic Agency | Consular Agency   |
+-------------------+-------------------+

While a country will only have one diplomatic mission, it very well may 
have more than one consular mission. Also, every diplomatic mission 
comes with an attached consular mission. For example, Sedonia has an 
embassy and a consulate-general in Fauve Monde in Burcancy, as well as a 
consulate in Unster.

+-------------------+-----------------+
| Diplomatic Titles | Consular Titles |
+-------------------+-----------------+
| Ambassador        | Consul-General  |
| Envoy             | Consul          |
| Minister          | Vice-Consul     |
| Charge d'Affaires | Consular Agent  |
+-------------------+-----------------+

Consular agents and vice-consuls are often local merchants who receive a 
stipend from the Sedonians in exchange for looking out for the interests 
of Sedonians in the merchants' home countries. This is also occasionally 
true of consuls as well.

Countries with full embassies:
------------------------------
* Mir (Mirabalpur)
     -Consulate in Talishara
* Kaeir (Port Kaeir)
     -Consulates in New Tirmaeir & Saltrim, consular agency in Rimrivertown.
* Tanimbar (Orasar)
     -Consulates in Athelar & Merar, currently closed due to strained 
relations.
* Milakanur (Elanbur)
     -Consulate in Atlabar, Vice-Consulate in Shein-Avaer
* Burcancy (Fauve Monde)
     -Consulate in Unster
* Hisarian Empire (Jall)
     -Consular agency in Tepe-Hisar

Countries with legations:
-------------------------
* Parglug (Parmouth)
* Aixelsydan
* Rhudyn
* Wyrtal/the Therani (Wyr)
* Hria (Bega) - Considered a punishment post
    -Vice-consulates in Ro & Shalpath
* Bel'Adne (Tanat)
    -Vice-consulates in Lachel & Sarnabar
* Arisya (Arisya)
* Cormenaera
* Damaris
* Shanariyya Commonwealth (Akbari) - Also considered a punishment post

Countries with resident missions:
---------------------------------
* Jabaur (Jabau)
* Anecir
* Roharen
* Belniar
* Daliir
* Videssia (Videss)
    -Consular agency in Celoa
* Tana
* Bernar (Razanian Kingdom)
* Farnor (Razanian Kingdom)
* Taranta (Razanian Kingdom)

Countries with diplomatic agencies:
-----------------------------------
* Anaduan
* Avatar
* Crisaeda
* Junder (Lowfells)
* Taranta (Razanian Kingdom)
* Canor (Razanian Kingdom)
* Tesh (Razanian Kingdom)
* Narton (Razanian Kingdom)
* Karan (Razanian Kingdom)
* Minot	(Razanian Kingdom)
* Sargor (Razanian Kingdom)

Countries with consular agencies only:
--------------------------------------
* Sayn (Razanian Kingdom)
* Non (Razanian Kingdom)
* Sout (Razanian Kingdom)

Countries with no formal/regular relations:
-------------------------------------------
* Celpalar
* Torphan

Andrew

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IbrahimDughlasGa
ibrahim

Fri

Sep 2
2005

01:33Z

[Cel] Sedonian Diplomatic Missions

Andrew Janssen wrote:

>Countries with full embassies:
>------------------------------
>* Mir (Mirabalpur)
>     -Consulate in Talishara
>* Kaeir (Port Kaeir)
>     -Consulates in New Tirmaeir & Saltrim, consular agency in Rimrivertown.
>  
>
Ok. I must strongly disagree here at this point.  Up to the present 
moment, Kaeirean policy has been to exclude other societies from 
Rimrivertown.  Only Kaeirean ships are allowed to enter Rimrivertown.  
Currently the Panchayyah and Kaeir are negotiating the future of the 
Closed Port policy, but as of 1458, there would be no feasible way for 
Sedonia or any other society to have established a diplomatic presence 
in Rimrivertown officially.

The only other current avenue for diplomatic representation in 
Rimrivertown would be through a Sedonia/etc-friendly Kaeirean merchant 
(or perhaps one in the pay of Sedonia/etc).


>* Shanariyya Commonwealth (Akbari) - Also considered a punishment post
>  
>
Hahah..... Truely so.  Almost literally the end of the world, or at 
least a dry hot nothingness full of catyarsh, traders, pilgrims, palm 
trees, springs and dust.

Ibrahim



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IbrahimDughlasGa
ibrahim

Fri

Sep 2
2005

01:41Z

[Cel] Sedonian Diplomatic Missions

ibrahim wrote:

>Andrew Janssen wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Countries with full embassies:
>>------------------------------
>>* Mir (Mirabalpur)
>>    -Consulate in Talishara
>>* Kaeir (Port Kaeir)
>>    -Consulates in New Tirmaeir & Saltrim, consular agency in Rimrivertown.
>> 
>>
>>    
>>
>Ok. I must strongly disagree here at this point.  Up to the present 
>moment, Kaeirean policy has been to exclude other societies from 
>Rimrivertown.  Only Kaeirean ships are allowed to enter Rimrivertown.  
>Currently the Panchayyah and Kaeir are negotiating the future of the 
>Closed Port policy, but as of 1458, there would be no feasible way for 
>Sedonia or any other society to have established a diplomatic presence 
>in Rimrivertown officially.
>
>The only other current avenue for diplomatic representation in 
>Rimrivertown would be through a Sedonia/etc-friendly Kaeirean merchant 
>(or perhaps one in the pay of Sedonia/etc).
>  
>
And even then that would have to be highly secretive - one of the main 
duties of the Lord-Governor of Rimrivertown to ensure that the Kaeirean 
trade monopoly is not broken by other Midsea societies.

>  
>

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PopoCaba
popo caba

Fri

Sep 2
2005

01:59Z

[Cel] Sedonian Diplomatic Missions

The Panchayyah have no objections, but have not
received any Sedonian diplomatic communications that I
am aware of. 
There would be little need for a consular agency in a
currently closed port.  
contact could be made via shallow draft ships in
modest coastal fishing villages that do not fall under
rimriver town jurisdiction.

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IbrahimDughlasGa
ibrahim

Fri

Sep 2
2005

03:51Z

[Cel] Sedonian Diplomatic Missions

popo caba wrote:

>The Panchayyah have no objections, but have not
>received any Sedonian diplomatic communications that I
>am aware of. 
>There would be little need for a consular agency in a
>currently closed port.  
>contact could be made via shallow draft ships in
>modest coastal fishing villages that do not fall under
>rimriver town jurisdiction.
>  
>
The Kaeirean concern is with trade, rather than diplomatic contact.  A 
diplomatic presence in Rimrivertown though would pose significant 
concerns for commercial intelligence, hence the restrictions on foreign 
diplomatic presences (let alone foreign merchants).

The Kaeirean and Panchayyah efforts to observe the past agreements 
between them also means that what happens beyond the jurisdiction of 
Rimrivertown is the Panchayyah's concern, not Kaeir's.

Ibrahim

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AndrewJanssen
Andrew Janssen

Fri

Sep 2
2005

13:20Z

[Cel] Sedonian Diplomatic Missions

--- ibrahim  wrote:

> Andrew Janssen wrote:
> 
> >Countries with full embassies:
> >------------------------------
> >* Mir (Mirabalpur)
> >     -Consulate in Talishara
> >* Kaeir (Port Kaeir)
> >     -Consulates in New Tirmaeir & Saltrim, consular agency in
> Rimrivertown.
> >  
> >
> Ok. I must strongly disagree here at this point.  Up to the present 
> moment, Kaeirean policy has been to exclude other societies from 
> Rimrivertown.  Only Kaeirean ships are allowed to enter Rimrivertown.
>  
> Currently the Panchayyah and Kaeir are negotiating the future of the 
> Closed Port policy, but as of 1458, there would be no feasible way
> for 
> Sedonia or any other society to have established a diplomatic
> presence 
> in Rimrivertown officially.
> 
> The only other current avenue for diplomatic representation in 
> Rimrivertown would be through a Sedonia/etc-friendly Kaeirean
> merchant 
> (or perhaps one in the pay of Sedonia/etc).
> 

If you go back and look at my original post, consular agencies are,
indeed, run by local or native merchants who get a stipend from the
Sedonian government. I don't see a problem here.

Andrew
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IbrahimDughlasGa
ibrahim

Fri

Sep 2
2005

14:13Z

[Cel] Sedonian Diplomatic Missions

Andrew Janssen wrote:

>--- ibrahim  wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Andrew Janssen wrote:
>>
>>    
>>
>>>Countries with full embassies:
>>>------------------------------
>>>* Mir (Mirabalpur)
>>>    -Consulate in Talishara
>>>* Kaeir (Port Kaeir)
>>>    -Consulates in New Tirmaeir & Saltrim, consular agency in
>>>      
>>>
>>Rimrivertown.
>>    
>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>Ok. I must strongly disagree here at this point.  Up to the present 
>>moment, Kaeirean policy has been to exclude other societies from 
>>Rimrivertown.  Only Kaeirean ships are allowed to enter Rimrivertown.
>> 
>>Currently the Panchayyah and Kaeir are negotiating the future of the 
>>Closed Port policy, but as of 1458, there would be no feasible way
>>for 
>>Sedonia or any other society to have established a diplomatic
>>presence 
>>in Rimrivertown officially.
>>
>>The only other current avenue for diplomatic representation in 
>>Rimrivertown would be through a Sedonia/etc-friendly Kaeirean
>>merchant 
>>(or perhaps one in the pay of Sedonia/etc).
>>
>>    
>>
>
>If you go back and look at my original post, consular agencies are,
>indeed, run by local or native merchants who get a stipend from the
>Sedonian government. I don't see a problem here.
>
>Andrew
>  
>
I missed that part - admittedly i was reading during a very stressful 
period (my school has just gone bankrupt!  fortunately I just found a 
new job this evening).

However, given the zealousness with with Kaeirean authorities pursue 
trade (no less than three separate government agencies are charged with 
protecting Kaeirean trade interests - the Ministry of Commerce, the 
Colonial Office and the Office of the Inquisitor), any local or native 
merchant in Rimrivertown would have to run a consular agency secretly 
(indeed, Kaeirean merchants caught doing so would be guilty of the 
deliberately very vague offence of "crimes against the state", and tried 
by the Inquisitor rather than the judiciary).

So there may be Sedonian agent in Rimrivertown (especially given the 
Sedonian intelligence network), but the person would be unable to act 
openly, and would be at constant risk of exposure due to great deal of 
importance Kaeir plays to commercial intelligence surrounding Rimrivertown.

Ibrahim

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AndrewJanssen
Andrew Janssen

Fri

Sep 2
2005

15:30Z

[Cel] Sedonian Diplomatic Missions

--- Ibrahim  wrote:

> Andrew Janssen wrote:
> 
> >--- ibrahim  wrote:
> >
> >  
> >
> >>Andrew Janssen wrote:
> >>
> >>    
> >>
> >>>Countries with full embassies:
> >>>------------------------------
> >>>* Mir (Mirabalpur)
> >>>    -Consulate in Talishara
> >>>* Kaeir (Port Kaeir)
> >>>    -Consulates in New Tirmaeir & Saltrim, consular agency in
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>Rimrivertown.
> >>    
> >>
> >>> 
> >>>
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>Ok. I must strongly disagree here at this point.  Up to the present
> 
> >>moment, Kaeirean policy has been to exclude other societies from 
> >>Rimrivertown.  Only Kaeirean ships are allowed to enter
> Rimrivertown.
> >> 
> >>Currently the Panchayyah and Kaeir are negotiating the future of
> the 
> >>Closed Port policy, but as of 1458, there would be no feasible way
> >>for 
> >>Sedonia or any other society to have established a diplomatic
> >>presence 
> >>in Rimrivertown officially.
> >>
> >>The only other current avenue for diplomatic representation in 
> >>Rimrivertown would be through a Sedonia/etc-friendly Kaeirean
> >>merchant 
> >>(or perhaps one in the pay of Sedonia/etc).
> >>
> >>    
> >>
> >
> >If you go back and look at my original post, consular agencies are,
> >indeed, run by local or native merchants who get a stipend from the
> >Sedonian government. I don't see a problem here.
> >
> >Andrew
> >  
> >
> I missed that part - admittedly i was reading during a very stressful
> 
> period (my school has just gone bankrupt!  fortunately I just found a
> 
> new job this evening).

Yikes! I hope everything goes okay with that.
 
> However, given the zealousness with with Kaeirean authorities pursue 
> trade (no less than three separate government agencies are charged
> with 
> protecting Kaeirean trade interests - the Ministry of Commerce, the 
> Colonial Office and the Office of the Inquisitor), any local or
> native 
> merchant in Rimrivertown would have to run a consular agency secretly
> 
> (indeed, Kaeirean merchants caught doing so would be guilty of the 
> deliberately very vague offence of "crimes against the state", and
> tried 
> by the Inquisitor rather than the judiciary).
> 
> So there may be Sedonian agent in Rimrivertown (especially given the 
> Sedonian intelligence network), but the person would be unable to act
> 
> openly, and would be at constant risk of exposure due to great deal
> of 
> importance Kaeir plays to commercial intelligence surrounding
> Rimrivertown.

Well, the Sedonian consular agent in Rimrivertown has one main job. In
the unlikely event that a Sedonian national should find himself jailed
or stranded in Rimrivertown, the agent is supposed to post bail or
arrange for other aid, being reimbursed by the Sedonian government at a
later date. In practice, this almost never happens, for the reasons you
gave.  Occasionally, however, Sedonian merchants (particularly agents
of the Ronir-Varros family) operating in Arysia or Aixelsydan find
themselves forced to make an . . . expeditious departure over the
mountains and wind up stranded in Rimrivertown. The consular agent
helps them get home, at least as far as Port Kaeir, where the embassy
picks them up.

In practice, Sedonia has very little interest (at present) in the
Rimriver trade, and the consular agent has very little to do besides
helping the occasional distressed or marooned traveller get out of
Rimrivertown to a more salubrious clime.

Given the nature of the Rimrivertown consular agent's duties, Sedonian
Intelligence does not run him or her as an intelligence agent.

Andrew

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