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Where are we in terms of starting the next year's turn?

Just to get things going, here are a couple of purely internal Sedonian 
events for 1460:

1/20/1460: Crown Princess Agatha is delivered of her second child, a 
girl, who is named Yzara after her paternal grandmother.

3/14/1460: Princess Irinia, Grand Duchess of Tirmar, gives birth to 
fraternal twins, named Tomas Niotrosa and Anna Rentra, the second names 
honoring their Mirrish grandparents.

6/6/1460: Prince Barnardus, Grand Duke of Vizinia, marries the daughter 
of the Duke of Tiraren.

Midyear's Day: Empress Yzara proclaims that her children and their 
descendants shall bear the surname of Samavraal which translates as 
"Half-Vra'aal".
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Well, I've got the details for Kaeir in 1460 worked out 
already.....which includes one major action involving the Green Lady and 
the Brotherhood of the Night.

In terms of events, only one.  Lord Osric Basiluddin is dead, having 
succumbed to a combination of age, exhaustion and illness while serving 
in Saltrim.  His funeral is to be held very shortly (just after the 
start of the year).

Meanwhile, the Inquisitor keeps receiving reports from the native 
shamans of dreams telling of a terrible evil living in Port Kaeir.

Ibrahim

Andrew Janssen wrote:

>Where are we in terms of starting the next year's turn?
>
>Just to get things going, here are a couple of purely internal Sedonian 
>events for 1460:
>
>1/20/1460: Crown Princess Agatha is delivered of her second child, a 
>girl, who is named Yzara after her paternal grandmother.
>
>3/14/1460: Princess Irinia, Grand Duchess of Tirmar, gives birth to 
>fraternal twins, named Tomas Niotrosa and Anna Rentra, the second names 
>honoring their Mirrish grandparents.
>
>6/6/1460: Prince Barnardus, Grand Duke of Vizinia, marries the daughter 
>of the Duke of Tiraren.
>
>Midyear's Day: Empress Yzara proclaims that her children and their 
>descendants shall bear the surname of Samavraal which translates as 
>"Half-Vra'aal".
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Two questions Andrew.
 
Is the names of Barnardus, Arden, Irinia now Thalsedon-Caladyn-Samavraal or is it just Samavraal?
 
Also so would that make Irinia and Lorenica children surnames Celamyrsa-Thalsedon-Caladyn-Samavraal or Celamyrsa-Samavraal?  (I am guessing that Lorenica is still just Celamyrsa and Irinia is Thalsedon-Caladyn-Samavraal, and that it is the children themselves that go by combined names)
 
Second question:  Inheritance
 
I am guessing that their will be more children, but do we want to worry about figuring out now which children will inherite which Grand Duchy or just wait on that?
 
Jason Heaps

Andrew Janssen  wrote:
Where are we in terms of starting the next year's turn?

Just to get things going, here are a couple of purely internal Sedonian 
events for 1460:

1/20/1460: Crown Princess Agatha is delivered of her second child, a 
girl, who is named Yzara after her paternal grandmother.

3/14/1460: Princess Irinia, Grand Duchess of Tirmar, gives birth to 
fraternal twins, named Tomas Niotrosa and Anna Rentra, the second names 
honoring their Mirrish grandparents.

6/6/1460: Prince Barnardus, Grand Duke of Vizinia, marries the daughter 
of the Duke of Tiraren.

Midyear's Day: Empress Yzara proclaims that her children and their 
descendants shall bear the surname of Samavraal which translates as 
"Half-Vra'aal".
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Jason Heaps wrote:

> Two questions Andrew.
>  
> Is the names of Barnardus, Arden, Irinia now Thalsedon-Caladyn-Samavraal or is it just Samavraal?

Just Samavraal. The idea was to simplify a bit.

> Also so would that make Irinia and Lorenica children surnames Celamyrsa-Thalsedon-Caladyn-Samavraal or Celamyrsa-Samavraal?  (I am guessing that Lorenica is still just Celamyrsa and Irinia is Thalsedon-Caladyn-Samavraal, and that it is the children themselves that go by combined names)

Celamyrsa-Samavraal

> Second question:  Inheritance
>  
> I am guessing that their will be more children, but do we want to worry about figuring out now which children will inherite which Grand Duchy or just wait on that?

Wait on it, although my inclination would be to give the Mirrish title 
to the boy and the Sedonian title to the girl, since I know that 
Sedonian law wouldn't bar her from inheriting, but I'm not sure about Mir.

Andrew

> Jason Heaps
> 
> Andrew Janssen  wrote:
> Where are we in terms of starting the next year's turn?
> 
> Just to get things going, here are a couple of purely internal Sedonian 
> events for 1460:
> 
> 1/20/1460: Crown Princess Agatha is delivered of her second child, a 
> girl, who is named Yzara after her paternal grandmother.
> 
> 3/14/1460: Princess Irinia, Grand Duchess of Tirmar, gives birth to 
> fraternal twins, named Tomas Niotrosa and Anna Rentra, the second names 
> honoring their Mirrish grandparents.
> 
> 6/6/1460: Prince Barnardus, Grand Duke of Vizinia, marries the daughter 
> of the Duke of Tiraren.
> 
> Midyear's Day: Empress Yzara proclaims that her children and their 
> descendants shall bear the surname of Samavraal which translates as 
> "Half-Vra'aal".
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Mirrish law for noble inheritance was laid down over three thousand years ago.  It stated a woman could inheriate but only if there were no more males of the same family name.  While Mirrish law of common inheritance was laid down during the the Empire which allowed woman to inheriate.
 
The Nobles law has not been changed since nobles played such little importance on the Mirrish stage until the last century and even then most of it has been in Yora'Timar, and the monarchy.  So their have been some moves to recreate the law of noble inheritance.
 
Oh on a side note.  Since the Geneology of the Noble families of Midsea is getting so complex I have begun to put it into a Geneology program I have, and when I get it done I should be able to send everyone of a pdf copy.  Andrew if do you mind if I make up specific birth/marriage/death dates or do you have some specificlly in mind?  Also what are likely places for these events to take place for the Sedonia families?
 
Jason Heaps

Andrew Janssen  wrote:
Jason Heaps wrote:

> Two questions Andrew.
> 
> Is the names of Barnardus, Arden, Irinia now Thalsedon-Caladyn-Samavraal or is it just Samavraal?

Just Samavraal. The idea was to simplify a bit.

> Also so would that make Irinia and Lorenica children surnames Celamyrsa-Thalsedon-Caladyn-Samavraal or Celamyrsa-Samavraal? (I am guessing that Lorenica is still just Celamyrsa and Irinia is Thalsedon-Caladyn-Samavraal, and that it is the children themselves that go by combined names)

Celamyrsa-Samavraal

> Second question: Inheritance
> 
> I am guessing that their will be more children, but do we want to worry about figuring out now which children will inherite which Grand Duchy or just wait on that?

Wait on it, although my inclination would be to give the Mirrish title 
to the boy and the Sedonian title to the girl, since I know that 
Sedonian law wouldn't bar her from inheriting, but I'm not sure about Mir.

Andrew

> Jason Heaps
> 
> Andrew Janssen wrote:
> Where are we in terms of starting the next year's turn?
> 
> Just to get things going, here are a couple of purely internal Sedonian 
> events for 1460:
> 
> 1/20/1460: Crown Princess Agatha is delivered of her second child, a 
> girl, who is named Yzara after her paternal grandmother.
> 
> 3/14/1460: Princess Irinia, Grand Duchess of Tirmar, gives birth to 
> fraternal twins, named Tomas Niotrosa and Anna Rentra, the second names 
> honoring their Mirrish grandparents.
> 
> 6/6/1460: Prince Barnardus, Grand Duke of Vizinia, marries the daughter 
> of the Duke of Tiraren.
> 
> Midyear's Day: Empress Yzara proclaims that her children and their 
> descendants shall bear the surname of Samavraal which translates as 
> "Half-Vra'aal".
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A good idea, Jason.

Regarding Kaeiraen nobility, given that the Kaeirean class structure is 
slightly fluid (social ladder climbing being acceptable - proof of the 
ability of a House to improve its lot), there is less of a need to draw 
up an extensive geneaology of Kaeirean nobility (it'd also be 
considerable work on my part....).

Though as I've mentioned in the past, a number of families to have more 
significant geneaologies, as some of the Tirmaeiri houses are of Old 
Timar origin (their ancestors having belonged to the Old Timar court, or 
are descended from various branches of the Princes of Old Timar).  The 
Van Adin, who are descended from the line of Old Mayors (as opposed to 
New Mayors, who oversaw the fall of Kaeir to Taltheran), hold the most 
esteemed ancestry in Kaeir.

There are no houses that are descended from the Old Prince of Kaeir, on 
a side note.  Well, none that publicise the fact anyway.

Ibrahim



Jason Heaps wrote:

>Oh on a side note.  Since the Geneology of the Noble families of Midsea is getting so complex I have begun to put it into a Geneology program I have, and when I get it done I should be able to send everyone of a pdf copy.  Andrew if do you mind if I make up specific birth/marriage/death dates or do you have some specificlly in mind?  Also what are likely places for these events to take place for the Sedonia families?
> 
>Jason Heaps
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Jason Heaps wrote:

> Mirrish law for noble inheritance was laid down over three thousand years ago.  It stated a woman could inheriate but only if there were no more males of the same family name.  While Mirrish law of common inheritance was laid down during the the Empire which allowed woman to inheriate.
>  
> The Nobles law has not been changed since nobles played such little importance on the Mirrish stage until the last century and even then most of it has been in Yora'Timar, and the monarchy.  So their have been some moves to recreate the law of noble inheritance.
>  
> Oh on a side note.  Since the Geneology of the Noble families of Midsea is getting so complex I have begun to put it into a Geneology program I have, and when I get it done I should be able to send everyone of a pdf copy.  Andrew if do you mind if I make up specific birth/marriage/death dates or do you have some specificlly in mind?  Also what are likely places for these events to take place for the Sedonia families?
>  

Um. I have dates & places for some, but not all:

The late Duke Yarrow: 1372-1456, married in 1390.
Birthplace: Imperial Palace, Thalsedon
Married: Thalsedon
Buried: Caladyn

His son, Duke Harald: Born 1393, married 1426.
Birthplace: Ducal Palace, Caladyn
Married: Thalsedon

Empress Yzara: Born 1389, technically never married, but since she's a 
reigning empress that doesn't affect the right of her children to inherit.
Birthplace: Imperial Summer Palace, Tirroth

Prince Barnardus, Grand Duke of Vizinia: Born 1421, married 1460.
Birthplace: Arelcar
Married: Thalsedon

Crown Prince Arden: Born 1425, married 1451.
Birthplace: Arelcar
Married: Thalsedon

Crown Princess Agatha, daughter of Duke Harald: Born 1427, married 1451.
Birthplace: Rochlyn Manor, County Rochlyn
Married: Thalsedon

Prince Yarrow, son of Arden and Agatha: Born 1455
Birthplace: Prince's House, Thalsedon

Princess Yzara, daughter of Arden and Agatha: Born 1460.
Birthplace: Imperial Palace, Thalsedon

Princess Irinia, Grand Duchess of Tirmar: Born 1428, married 1458.
Birthplace: Arelcar
Married: Talishara (compromise location)

Prince Tomas Niotrosa, son of Lorenica and Irinia: Born 1460
Birthplace: Ducal Palace, Zayura

Princess Anna Rentra, daughter of Lorenica and Irinia: Born 1460.
Birthplace: Ducal Palace, Zayura

I'd rather try and fill in the blanks myself, if I can find the time.
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