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NoctIfer
Noctifer

Wed

Dec 15
1999

02:22Z

Pagan Christians (was Re: GM: A new calender)

> > Actually, both Christmas and Easter were originally
>  > pagan holidays that the Catholic church co-opted and
>  > re-formated to represent major events in the life of
>  > Christ (namely is birth and death).
>  >
>  > -- Chris J. Whitcomb
>  
>  The celebration of Ister, a fertility goddess & the origin of the eggs and
>  bunnies.

I know, I know...(that's why I put the little thingy in there about it).\

Easter: Just about every "pagan" religion had a Spring Solstice holiday, and 
the eggs and bunny thing came from Latvia or Estonia or Rus or some such 
north-eastern wilderness.  The concept of a resurrected god originated with 
Osiris in Egypt (of which the holy writings that have survived are remarkably 
similar to biblical stories of Jesus).

Christmas: Saturnalia or Mithras' Day was on December 25, and the Christians 
decided to make it Christ's birthday during the Roman persecutions so that 
they could celebrate without getting busted by the religion-cops (lets just 
call them "Inquisitioners").

St. Patrick's Day: Goodness...St. Patrick was originally pagan himself.  
Clovers and leprechauns and such...need I go on?

St. Valentine's Day: Erato/Cupid plucking at his bow...another no-brainer...

Halloween: This one's turned about quite a bit.  Originally Samhain, a Celtic 
celebration of their predisposition towards ancestor worship.  Then All 
Hallowed Eve, the day before the supposed holiest day of the year, when the 
lives of the saints were celebrated.  Then Halloween, an evil, sinister, 
non-Christian holiday with *gasp-in-shock* PAGAN roots!!!  (I'm so glad the 
Church is there to inform us sinners about this stuff).

Did I miss any of the big modern Christian holidays?

Oh, and Merry Christ's Mass. ;)

Lucifer >:} who's getting dangerously close to sparking yet another religious 
debate...
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TanGent
Robert A. Howard

Wed

Dec 15
1999

03:05Z

Pagan Christians (was Re: GM: A new calender)

> Lucifer >:} who's getting dangerously close to sparking yet another
religious
> debate...

Oh, please do! I love a good Lucifer debate! :)

Rob

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ThomasEMorris
Thomas E Morris

Wed

Dec 15
1999

03:28Z

Pagan Christians (was Re: GM: A new calender)

Don't forget the Sumerian story of liberation by Mises (sound familiar?).
My college major/minor was Psychology/History of Religion.  I love this
stuff.  A great book to pick up for this kind of history is Myths &
Misconceptions of the Bible.  Just don't read the last 3 chapters where the
author rambles on shows that he only did all this research to justify his
hate for the Catholic Church.  The rest of the book is a fairly
well-done and full of comparative data.  It traces many religions and their
"histories" both thematically and regionally.

Have fun,
Tom
Temorris@pacbell.net

When branding irons were first invented
     the cattle were really impressed.

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Subject: Pagan Christians (was Re: GM: A new calender)


> > > Actually, both Christmas and Easter were originally
> >  > pagan holidays that the Catholic church co-opted and
> >  > re-formated to represent major events in the life of
> >  > Christ (namely is birth and death).
> >  >
> >  > -- Chris J. Whitcomb
> >
> >  The celebration of Ister, a fertility goddess & the origin of the eggs
and
> >  bunnies.
>
> I know, I know...(that's why I put the little thingy in there about it).\
>
> Easter: Just about every "pagan" religion had a Spring Solstice holiday,
and
> the eggs and bunny thing came from Latvia or Estonia or Rus or some such
> north-eastern wilderness.  The concept of a resurrected god originated
with
> Osiris in Egypt (of which the holy writings that have survived are
remarkably
> similar to biblical stories of Jesus).
>
> Christmas: Saturnalia or Mithras' Day was on December 25, and the
Christians
> decided to make it Christ's birthday during the Roman persecutions so that
> they could celebrate without getting busted by the religion-cops (lets
just
> call them "Inquisitioners").
>
> St. Patrick's Day: Goodness...St. Patrick was originally pagan himself.
> Clovers and leprechauns and such...need I go on?
>
> St. Valentine's Day: Erato/Cupid plucking at his bow...another
no-brainer...
>
> Halloween: This one's turned about quite a bit.  Originally Samhain, a
Celtic
> celebration of their predisposition towards ancestor worship.  Then All
> Hallowed Eve, the day before the supposed holiest day of the year, when
the
> lives of the saints were celebrated.  Then Halloween, an evil, sinister,
> non-Christian holiday with *gasp-in-shock* PAGAN roots!!!  (I'm so glad
the
> Church is there to inform us sinners about this stuff).
>
> Did I miss any of the big modern Christian holidays?
>
> Oh, and Merry Christ's Mass. ;)
>
> Lucifer >:} who's getting dangerously close to sparking yet another
religious
> debate...
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