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MJasonKnight
M. Jason Knight

Thu

Dec 14
2000

18:14Z

Drinking and netting

A crosspost from another forum suddenly seems appropriate.

From: Joe Rosales 
Subject: Re: Stay civil, folks.
Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 06:50:28 -0600

Scotty:
> I'm a proponent of these newsgroups, but it's a bit hostile in here.
> Please stop the name calling now.

I'm amazed.  Is it really possible that some people here have no idea
when they're being suckered into an argument by those who simply like to
argue?  That's really disappointing.  Fished in, fished in!  You've been
fished iiiiin!

Raven:
> Call me juvenile too if you want, but hey, why can't people just
> NOT flame each other in the first place?

Whoa, you've totally missed the point!  You're still young and
idealistic about other people, whether you think you are or not.

The truth is, many people have no good reason for behaving badly.  Sure,
you (or they) can blame poor upbringing, or other's bad behavior (the
"he started it" excuse), or (and this is my favorite on the internet)
the right of public forum -- that is, the "I bought a ticket so I can
talk as loud as I want in the theater" argument, as though mere ability
and access gives one the right to insult and provoke others and
obligates those others to put up with such behavior as acceptable.

The truth is, the relative anonymity and impunity of the internet gives
individuals a freedom that they would normally not enjoy in a regular
social setting, where they would suffer for overstepping the
conventional bounds of acceptable behavior by getting punched in the
stomach like they did in high school.  And such freedom is a heady
draght, one that many can't take while remaining in control of their faculties.

The comparison has been made to being drunk:  What is someone's
personality like when all his usual social controls have been
circumvented?  We all know that when someone drinks heavily, their
personality changes -- sometimes slightly, sometimes drastically.  There
are jovial drunks and there are quiet drunks, and there are mean drunks
and violent drunks.  The net has a comparable effect.  Regardless of
someone's normal personality, once on the net we are all in a bar with a
lot of other heavy drinkers.  Some of them aren't looking to do anything
more than pick a fight -- and like any dedicated drunks they see
absolutely nothing wrong with doing so, and will take a swing at you too
if you try to stop them.

I've found it really helps to think of newsgroups like this.  They
really are one of the custom drugs of the internet, and there's a reason
that people become addicted to them.

It's not possible to reason with a mean ng troll, any more than it's
possible to reason with a mean drunk.  They feel invulnerable and
powerful, and extremely intelligent too -- all the best feelings they
can get from such electronic intoxication.  When they argue with people
they feel important and paid attention to, and right because someone is
yelling at them.  The reason hardly matters -- let's remember, their
whiskey-talk logic all makes perfect sense to them.  The only
consolation in all this is that on the net nobody can get a bottle in
their guts, which generally saves on the endless police interviews bar
fights generate.

So where does that leave everybody else?  Well, if you -can- hold your
'net, you may feel superior to the mean drunks -- but that won't help
you.  You're still in the bar, and they'll still take a swing at you if
you say anything to them.

So your best bet is to keep on having the conversations you want to
have, and ignore anyone you don't want to talk to.  I'm sure it's
-terribly- galling, especially for all of you who are completely,
totally "in the right"; but if you can't let go of something or let an
insult pass, you sure as hell can't expect that anyone you're yelling at
will.  And if the main reason you've guzzled a pitcher of 'net is to
screw yourself up enough to pick fights with anyone you can find, then
take it out to the parking lot -- oh sorry, I mean to email.  Everyone
else who's here for the social drinking doesn't want to deal with it.

Me, I'm a gregarious drunk.  I stay articulate, and there's apparently a
whole list of jokes that I can only remember when I'm plastered.  Going
with my earlier simile, I suspect that this is the reason for the
constant traffic of email joke lists.

'Net responsibly, people!

-- Joe

Don't visit my website full of stuff at http://www.FurNation.com/Animus.
 It may be free, but it hasn't been updated in forever.


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AlanAtkinson
Alan Atkinson

Thu

Dec 14
2000

20:34Z

Drinking and netting

----- Original Message ----- 
From: M. Jason Knight 
To: 
Sent: Friday, December 15, 2000 4:14 AM
Subject: GM: Drinking and netting


> A crosspost from another forum suddenly seems appropriate.



That is the most sensible thing I have read on the net in some time.
I'm gonna save that and use it, if it's OK with you?

                                                    GURPS-Nut

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MJasonKnight
M. Jason Knight

Fri

Dec 15
2000

03:26Z

Drinking and netting

On 14 Dec 00, at 14:34, Alan Atkinson wrote:

> That is the most sensible thing I have read on the net in some time.
> I'm gonna save that and use it, if it's OK with you?

With me, yeah, just take my name off it and leave on the guy who 
wrote it.  You could ask his permission, but then again I didn't.  
Something that brilliant, what's a little copyright infringement? 
Some information /needs/ to be free.  Or we need some 
information to be free, am not enough of a philosopher to claim 
information needs, or wants, anything.  The net is people.


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