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TanGent
Robert A. Howard

Sun

Jan 28
2001

01:30Z

Solar microwave plants

I was thinking of running a game with terrorists seizing a microwave
transmitter plant (basically a series of solar panels in space beaming the
power to a site on Earth which is then transfered to earth using microwave
beams).

What type of damage could terrorists do with something like that?

What environmental risks does one of these plants cause? What damage would
it cause just by normal operations?

Just looking for a basis to start on, see if it's environmental terrorists
seizing it or something like that.

Rob

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DOc
Darth Stomper

Sun

Jan 28
2001

02:42Z

Solar microwave plants

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tangent" 


> I was thinking of running a game with terrorists seizing a microwave
> transmitter plant (basically a series of solar panels in space beaming the
> power to a site on Earth which is then transfered to earth using microwave
> beams).
>
> What type of damage could terrorists do with something like that?

A good bit, given time.  The ground station is probably out in the middle of
nowhere, probably a desert, probably also someplace with lots of clear
weather.  (Clouds are going to hamper transmission quality, after all.)  As
such, there probably will be few targets to just pivot the emitter at
nearby;  plus, if you point it at farther targets, you get more atmosphere
between the station and the surface to soak up the microwaves, as well as
the possibility that you might lose optimal orientation in respect to the
sun in orbit.  Odds are if you want to hit anything really worth hitting,
you're going to have to _move_ the orbital component, which is the part that
really takes time.  After that, it's point the array, push the button, and
watch the fun.

Exposed organics will probably take several seconds to feel the effects, but
those effects will be unpleasant.  Vehicles will be a mixed blessing;  metal
stops microwaves nicely, but with all the sparking, there may be fuel
flammability issues in some places.  Lots of electronics getting fried, too,
and if you're building stations like this, you've got lots of vulnerable
electronics out there.  In fact, that's going to be your primary damage.

Of course, anything under the surface will probably be fine.  But it's going
to get ugly topside.

>
> What environmental risks does one of these plants cause? What damage would
> it cause just by normal operations?
>

Two that I can see:  First, microwave radiation is very bad for organics.
Long exposure to low levels can cause cancer (thus the controversy over cell
phones and brain cancer).  Second, the microwaves will inevitably heat the
atmosphere between the emitter and ground station, by quite a bit.  This
will have some effect on weather patterns, and possibly climate if done on a
large scale for sufficient lengths of time.

> Just looking for a basis to start on, see if it's environmental terrorists
> seizing it or something like that.
>

If it's environmental terrorists, they may well decide to blow the thing out
of the sky instead.  (Sure, as a means of _generating_ the power, it's
pretty darn clean--it's the _transmission_ method that's a problem...)  More
likely someone wants to use it simply to cause havoc over an entire city;
sweeping the "beam" over a major metro area will start fires, cause
accidents and injury, knock out communications, and so forth.  Think of it
more as a prelude to the "Main Event"; such an incident makes great cover
for Something Else Going On, as the authorities are so busy taking care of
the rogue satellite and city-wide chaos they may well miss a quieter effort
elsewhere.

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JimJanousek
jim janousek

Sun

Jan 28
2001

05:12Z

Solar microwave plants

>likely someone wants to use it to cause havoc over an entire city;
>sweeping the "beam" over a major metro area will start fires, cause
>accidents and injury, knock out communications, and so forth.

I can see focusing the beam on an airport or refinery causing severe damage, 
but they lack the penetration to, say, barbeque the assembled United Nations 
delegates.

one interesting effect to note - water heated  by microwaves doesn't boil as 
well. When heated from outside, small steam bubbles form which increase 
surface available for evaporation and thereby hold the water temperature at 
boiling point. Because microwaves heat the entire volume of water it can 
rise to a much higher temperature. People are burned from time to time when 
they superheat a mug of water in a microwave and toss in their instant 
coffee mix. The sudden influx of air particles sets the cup off in an 
explosive boil of superhot water, very nasty.
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BillHamilton
Bill Hamilton

Sun

Jan 28
2001

15:02Z

Solar microwave plants

If I remember correctly, the reason a microwave oven works the way it does 
is because the microwaves are at a specfic frequency, which matches the 
vibration frequency of a water molecule.  The microwaves excite the water 
molecules, which heats up everything around them.  I would imagine a 
microwave transmission system would be designed to _not_ be at this 
frequency, in order to reduce the damage done to biological materials, and 
cut down on energy loss through the atmosphere.  I don't know any specifics 
on the potential technology, though, so I can't give details or places to look.

-Bill
At 11:12 PM 1/27/2001 -0600, you wrote:
> >likely someone wants to use it to cause havoc over an entire city;
> >sweeping the "beam" over a major metro area will start fires, cause
> >accidents and injury, knock out communications, and so forth.
>
>I can see focusing the beam on an airport or refinery causing severe damage,
>but they lack the penetration to, say, barbeque the assembled United Nations
>delegates.
>
>one interesting effect to note - water heated  by microwaves doesn't boil as
>well. When heated from outside, small steam bubbles form which increase
>surface available for evaporation and thereby hold the water temperature at
>boiling point. Because microwaves heat the entire volume of water it can
>rise to a much higher temperature. People are burned from time to time when
>they superheat a mug of water in a microwave and toss in their instant
>coffee mix. The sudden influx of air particles sets the cup off in an
>explosive boil of superhot water, very nasty.
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GradFamily
Grad Family

Sun

Jan 28
2001

16:13Z

Solar microwave plants

Microwaves will also superheat any metal objects in a person's body, which
will usually cause some pretty severe damage.  If there's any cyborgs in
your game, a microwave could probably kill all of them.  Maybe some kind of
religous group takes control of the transmitter and uses it to fry all the
cyborgs.
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Hamilton 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2001 10:02 AM
Subject: Re: GM: Solar microwave plants


> If I remember correctly, the reason a microwave oven works the way it does
> is because the microwaves are at a specfic frequency, which matches the
> vibration frequency of a water molecule.  The microwaves excite the water
> molecules, which heats up everything around them.  I would imagine a
> microwave transmission system would be designed to _not_ be at this
> frequency, in order to reduce the damage done to biological materials, and
> cut down on energy loss through the atmosphere.  I don't know any
specifics
> on the potential technology, though, so I can't give details or places to
look.
>
> -Bill
> At 11:12 PM 1/27/2001 -0600, you wrote:
> > >likely someone wants to use it to cause havoc over an entire city;
> > >sweeping the "beam" over a major metro area will start fires, cause
> > >accidents and injury, knock out communications, and so forth.
> >
> >I can see focusing the beam on an airport or refinery causing severe
damage,
> >but they lack the penetration to, say, barbeque the assembled United
Nations
> >delegates.
> >
> >one interesting effect to note - water heated  by microwaves doesn't boil
as
> >well. When heated from outside, small steam bubbles form which increase
> >surface available for evaporation and thereby hold the water temperature
at
> >boiling point. Because microwaves heat the entire volume of water it can
> >rise to a much higher temperature. People are burned from time to time
when
> >they superheat a mug of water in a microwave and toss in their instant
> >coffee mix. The sudden influx of air particles sets the cup off in an
> >explosive boil of superhot water, very nasty.
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