Okay, the listowners/gamemasters of the Phoenyx have had two
months to work at this (see the forwarded message, below) and,
well, the best we've come up with is "The Phoenyx: We Suck at
Taglines."
There's a Phoenyx T-shirt in it for whoever comes up with a good
tagline ("good" being defined by "we decide to use it," of course).
Needs to be short, sum up what the Phoenyx does (online
roleplaying) without using gamer-exclusive jargon, without sounding
like an adult site, without sounding like an Everquest/Quake site,
and without sucking.
(The non-tagline-containing side of the shirt, probably (as you might
guess by the filename) the front, is
http://www.phoenyx.net/listowners/shirtfront.gif)
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Date sent: Sat, 2 Jun 2001 23:49:54 cst
From: "Karen Cravens"
Subject: LO: Tag line
To: listowners@phoenyx.net
Among other things, the Phoenyx needs a tag line.
Slashdot is "News For Nerds: Stuff That Matters," Heat.Net is
"Fast, free online gaming," Mplayer.net is "Come for the games,
stay for the party," Amazon is "Earth's biggest selection,"
Microsoft is "All your base are belong to us." (Well, okay, I made
the last one up.)
It's not *exactly* a slogan, more of a subtitle. We've sort of had
"internet roleplaying," but that's not really very catchy, and it's not
very consistent (sometimes it's been "online roleplaying"). I
suggested stealing SouthWind's unofficial "We suck less," but Carl
doesn't agree.
Suggestions?
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> Needs to be short, sum up what the Phoenyx does (online > roleplaying) without using gamer-exclusive jargon, without sounding > like an adult site, without sounding like an Everquest/Quake site, > and without sucking. I suck at taglines too, but here's a list that may amuse some with the raw wrongness of them: Doesn't really follow your exact criteria, but: Phoenyx.net Roleplaying: Now it gets good. Hmm. I'm running into the problem of "gamer-exclusive" jargon. "Roleplaying" is the only term I can come up with, and with all the CRPGs and MMRPGs out there, even that term loses it's meaning. Others: It's not a dragon. Really. Drugs may be illegal, but we aren't. Roleplaying for technophiles. Roleplayers Unite! (Okay, these are getting worse. That's enough for now) ---------------------------------------------------------------- GAMERS Home Page: http://www.phoenyx.net/gamers/
phoenyx.net Online Roleplaying: Your game's new home ---------------------------- Mike Jones Pariah--Coming soon from www.roguepublishing.com ---------------------------------------------------------------- GAMERS Home Page: http://www.phoenyx.net/gamers/
On 1 Aug 2001, at 22:53, Brett Sanger wrote:
> Hmm. I'm running into the problem of "gamer-exclusive" jargon.
> "Roleplaying" is the only term I can come up with, and with all the
> CRPGs
> and MMRPGs out there, even that term loses it's meaning.
Yup. And with sim players, some of whom think they're not
roleplaying ("that's Dungeons and Dragons, right? No, we do Star
Trek"), we don't want to exclude that.
It's a conundrum. Especially since our domain name isn't exactly
descriptive, so there aren't any clues there.
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on 8/2/01 11:44 AM, Karen Cravens at silver@phoenyx.net wrote:
> Among other things, the Phoenyx needs a tag line.
> Suggestions?
"Phoenix.net:
"Risen from the minds of gamers"
"From the ashes to the internet"
"You've tried the rest, now try this"
"Only a step away from infinity"
"Real people, unreal adventure"
It appears it quite contagious, that the suggestions get worse as the list
grows. Hmmph.
Many Thanks,
Zealot
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At 10:53 PM 8/1/2001 -0500, you wrote: >Phoenyx.net >Roleplaying: Now it gets good. > > >It's not a dragon. Really. > >Drugs may be illegal, but we aren't. > >Roleplaying for technophiles. > >Roleplayers Unite! "Infinite worlds, itty-bitty server space." ? no. "Realms of Legend, just a click away." Maybe. "Discover strange new worlds, seek out new life and new civilizations, and blow them to smithereens." Too long. Ooo Ooo Ooo, got it: "Strange new worlds, just a click away." -Bill, "Free association is your friend." ---------------------------------------------------------------- GAMERS Home Page: http://www.phoenyx.net/gamers/
The Phoenyx: The Gaming Ghost in the Machine. ...anybody out there think they _don't_ suck at taglines? ---------------------------------------------------------------- GAMERS Home Page: http://www.phoenyx.net/gamers/
On Wed, 1 Aug 2001, Karen Cravens wrote:
> Okay, the listowners/gamemasters of the Phoenyx have had two months
> to work at this (see the forwarded message, below) and, well, the
> best we've come up with is "The Phoenyx: We Suck at Taglines."
This one still has my vote. But I think you already knew that.
> There's a Phoenyx T-shirt in it for whoever comes up with a good
> tagline ("good" being defined by "we decide to use it," of course).
> Needs to be short, sum up what the Phoenyx does (online roleplaying)
> without using gamer-exclusive jargon, without sounding like an adult
> site, without sounding like an Everquest/Quake site, and without
> sucking.
All I can say at this point is "Good Luck".
> (The non-tagline-containing side of the shirt, probably (as you
> might guess by the filename) the front, is
> http://www.phoenyx.net/listowners/shirtfront.gif)
Too bad CafePress doesn't do "on black" shirts.
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Ok...This one just hit me...
The Phoenyx: THE best on-line games!
or
The Phoenyx: Great E-Mail Games, Great Fun!
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Feldhusen [mailto:mike_f@io.com]
> Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 8:57 AM
> To: gamers@phoenyx.net
> Subject: Re: GM: Tag, you're it
>
>
> On Wed, 1 Aug 2001, Karen Cravens wrote:
>
> > Okay, the listowners/gamemasters of the Phoenyx have had two months
> > to work at this (see the forwarded message, below) and, well, the
> > best we've come up with is "The Phoenyx: We Suck at Taglines."
>
> This one still has my vote. But I think you already knew that.
>
> > There's a Phoenyx T-shirt in it for whoever comes up with a good
> > tagline ("good" being defined by "we decide to use it," of course).
> > Needs to be short, sum up what the Phoenyx does (online roleplaying)
> > without using gamer-exclusive jargon, without sounding like an adult
> > site, without sounding like an Everquest/Quake site, and without
> > sucking.
>
> All I can say at this point is "Good Luck".
>
> > (The non-tagline-containing side of the shirt, probably (as you
> > might guess by the filename) the front, is
> > http://www.phoenyx.net/listowners/shirtfront.gif)
>
> Too bad CafePress doesn't do "on black" shirts.
>
> --
> Michael Feldhusen
> mike_f@io.com
> http://www.io.com/~mike_f/
>
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On 2 Aug 2001, at 9:49, Hanley, Martin wrote: > The Phoenyx: THE best on-line games! Well, our "working" tagline has been "internet roleplaying at its best" (or possibly "online", although that implies MMORPG). But we're looking for something that "speaks" to the non-roleplayer too. But it's awfully hard to convey "Hey, you can do this thing that's sort of halfway between acting and screenwriting, with your favorite TV show or book or movie or something totally made up, and it's not childish OR kinky, but it doesn't involve graphics or anything" in a tagline. > The Phoenyx: Great E-Mail Games, Great Fun! We're not limiting this to email, though. Plus, generic "games" could be anything from chess to Quake to roulette, so that's awkward. -- Karen J. Cravens (silver@phoenyx.net) ---------------------------------------------------------------- GAMERS Home Page: http://www.phoenyx.net/gamers/
Just some quickies:
The Phoenyx.Net
"Your second imagination"
"Your digital imagination"
"Burn the bridges to reality"
"Better living through gaming"
"Take a vacation from yourself"
"Tools for the creative mind"
"Breaking the shackles of the mundane since 19__"
"Wings for your mind"
They're kind of 'touchy-feely', but that's because I'm at work, and
daydreaming of freedom : )
Mook
mook@themook.net
>On Wed, 1 Aug 2001, Karen Cravens wrote:
>
> > Okay, the listowners/gamemasters of the Phoenyx have had two months
> > to work at this (see the forwarded message, below) and, well, the
> > best we've come up with is "The Phoenyx: We Suck at Taglines."
>>
> > There's a Phoenyx T-shirt in it for whoever comes up with a good
> > tagline ("good" being defined by "we decide to use it," of course).
> > Needs to be short, sum up what the Phoenyx does (online roleplaying)
> > without using gamer-exclusive jargon, without sounding like an adult
> > site, without sounding like an Everquest/Quake site, and without
> > sucking.
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On 2 Aug 2001, at 9:49, Warren Wilson wrote: > The Phoenyx.Net > "Your second imagination" > "Your digital imagination" > "Burn the bridges to reality" > "Better living through gaming" > "Take a vacation from yourself" > "Tools for the creative mind" > "Breaking the shackles of the mundane since 19__" > "Wings for your mind" This is sort of the direction we want to go, I think. -- Karen J. Cravens (silver@phoenyx.net) ---------------------------------------------------------------- GAMERS Home Page: http://www.phoenyx.net/gamers/
On 2 Aug 2001, at 8:56, Michael Feldhusen wrote:
> Too bad CafePress doesn't do "on black" shirts.
Actually, they do.
http://www.cafepress.com/cp/info/services/colors.aspx
But it costs more, and you have to pay up-front. $113 for 25 two-
color shirts (the minimum), which is a little over $4.50 extra a shirt.
We were figuring on making the price just a couple dollars over
CafePress' cost, which makes it about $20 for a shirt. Plus, like I
said, that'd be an up-front cost. And you pre-commit for sizes, of
course.
If it wasn't for the 25-shirt minimum, I'd say staff members got
black shirts, the public got white, but we'd need to add a lot more
staffers.
'Course, there's also the possibility of going to a more local source
for staff shirts. Heck, I can see, in one of the clear storage boxes
here in the computer/junk room, the original for the home-screened
shirts we did about ten years ago. ("The Old Phoenyx BBS 945-
1005") Single-pass, although IIRC we did a red-to-yellow blend. I
think we never actually did any shirts, either, just paper tests.
(Hmm. No, that wouldn't have been the Derby number, that would
have been the Meridian Street number, so it was more like six or
seven years ago. Anyway.)
Unfortunately, the people we know that owned a screen printing
shop sold it a couple years ago.
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On 3 Aug 2001, at 19:32, Darth Stomper wrote: > 4. Bigfoot And Nessie Are Members, You'll Fit Right In This also came up in the chat too; in our inclusive/exclusive discussions, the Identifying Quote "We don't want their kind here" became a running gag. So of course "The Phoenyx: We Don't Want Your Kind Here" got proposed. (Along with the less catchy, inclusionist-revised, "The Phoenyx: We've Got Your Kind Here.") -- Karen J. Cravens (silver@phoenyx.net) ---------------------------------------------------------------- GAMERS Home Page: http://www.phoenyx.net/gamers/
On 3 Aug 2001, at 19:32, Darth Stomper wrote: > 7. We Rarely Have Flamewars (We Rarely Have Active Threads, Either) Oh, and that's the "GAMERS/GMAST"-specific tagline. The rest of the Phoenyx (excepting Worldmaking, which is undergoing a revival of sorts just because I *announced* the reorg) isn't quite so quiet as here tends to be. Though I hope to change that, once we start actively promoting this place. > 5. Alright, Who Gave The Munchkins Hotmail Accounts? And this one goes under "We Don't Want Your Kind Here"... > 2. Hey, At Least It Ain't A Newsgroup Actually, it is. Or could be; that's turned off right now. Installing a real news server is on Carl's list, just not very high. Now, "At Least It Ain't An Unmoderated/Alt Newsgroup," that might fly. -- Karen J. Cravens (silver@phoenyx.net) ---------------------------------------------------------------- GAMERS Home Page: http://www.phoenyx.net/gamers/
Internet/online Roleplaying is fine, but here goes... Looking at your site, is the impression correct that you tend to have more players wanting games than openings available? If so, you might want to focus on attracting GMs with your tagline, like the "Online Roleplaying: Your game's new home" Mike Jones suggested. Karen Cravens wrote: > Needs to be short, > sum up what the Phoenyx does (online roleplaying) > without using gamer-exclusive jargon, > without sounding like an adult site, > without sounding like an Everquest/Quake site, > and without sucking. 4 or 5 out of 6 ain't too bad...silly ones: Where chatting with someone playing a Dwarf in a dungeon isn't about kinky sex. Frodo, I have a feeling we're not in Kansas any more. Paper & Pencil Roleplaying for the new millenium. On the Internet, no one knows you're a gamer. Old School Online Roleplaying You've got Chainmail! --- Slightly more seriously: Free RPG hosting: Build your world and share it. Online Roleplaying: Bring Your Own World...or Visit One. Roleplayers in handy electronic form. Finally, enough players for that new roleplaying idea of yours. Internet Roleplaying for your mind, not your reflexes. Your global supplier of roleplayers. Steve -- http://www.stevebarr.com ---------------------------------------------------------------- GAMERS Home Page: http://www.phoenyx.net/gamers/
On 2 Aug 2001, at 18:15, Steve Barr wrote: > Looking at your site, is the impression correct that you > tend to have more players wanting games than openings available? Typically. > If so, you might want to focus on attracting GMs with your > tagline, like the "Online Roleplaying: Your game's new home" I dunno about that. The viewpoint we want to cultivate is *not* that the Phoenyx is "for gamemasters." The Phoenyx is for players (and lurkers). The gamemasters are part of the "staff," not really the "customer." Now, granted, the Phoenyx obviously offers the gamemasters Cool Stuff like a list manager with roleplaying features built in, and a support community where we can all whine about not having enough to time to keep our web pages up to date, etc., etc., but at the moment, we've got a dozen or so gamemasters out of a thousand and some members. Same philosophy as the name change here... this group itself isn't really for "gamemasters" (and how it got that name pre-Phoenyx is really another story), so as long as we were forking the list, it made sense to change the name (of one of them, at least). -- Karen J. Cravens (silver@phoenyx.net) ---------------------------------------------------------------- GAMERS Home Page: http://www.phoenyx.net/gamers/
Karen Cravens wrote: > I dunno about that. The viewpoint we want to cultivate is *not* that > the Phoenyx is "for gamemasters." The Phoenyx is for players > (and lurkers). The gamemasters are part of the "staff," not really > the "customer." Thanks for clarifying. Do you have a rough idea of your typical player? Is it someone who doesn't have enough time/local people for gaming? Tag lines II: For the too busy to game anymore crowd: "Roleplaying that fits your schedule." "The freedom to game again." "Now nothing can stop you from gaming." "Roleplaying across time and space." Steve -- http://www.stevebarr.com ---------------------------------------------------------------- GAMERS Home Page: http://www.phoenyx.net/gamers/
