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general.
if anyone knows of any, would you please email me about them?
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Hello, Try here: http://www.opengamingfoundation.org/mailinglist.html Have Fun, Darren cybersavant@dlcwest.com wrote: >Hello. I am looking for any listservs that deal with the d20 system in >general. > >if anyone knows of any, would you please email me about them? >thanks > ---------------------------------------------------------------- GAMERS Home Page: http://www.phoenyx.net/gamers/
I'm finished!!! Done!!! Never again!!! The campaign I've been running (Night Below, AD&D) for the past 3-4 years, is DONE!!! Fini! And I swear... NEVER AGAIN do I want to run a game. Has any gamemaster here (or former GM I should say) ever gotten *so* burnt out that they never wish to GM again? I swear, I almost don't want to game again. It was like a job that I wasn't paid for. I enjoyed it when the people cancelled out on me! I took any opportunity to skip and not run a game but go elsewhere! I mean... I enjoyed being with my friends. But I would have been happier watching a movie or playing cards or something. Running the game... it just was too much. Keeping track of HPs, doing die rolls, seeing if party members got hit or not, calculating if the best fighter (who never could figure out THAC0s after 10 years of gaming... thank the Goddess for 3rd edition which doesn't exactly have THAC0s nowadays) was hitting on a 2 or not... It was no fun. It was painful, just about. I'm glad it's finally over. Rob, a former GM ---------------------------------------------------------------- GAMERS Home Page: http://www.phoenyx.net/gamers/
At 04:19 PM 10/11/2001 -0500, Robert A. Howard wrote: >It was no fun. It was painful, just about. > >I'm glad it's finally over. Okay, then I have to ask... why did you continue? *curious look* I've had slumps -- I'm in one right now due to my crew not following subplots and me being unable to get them together on a regular basis. But I've always said that when it comes down to being a duty, and a responsibility, and no fun anymore... then its time to say its over. Because at that point how can I be sure I'm making it fun for everyone else? And why torture myself? Personally, I'm not that altruistic. *smiles* So I'm curious... why did you continue if you weren't enjoying it? D. ---------------------------------------------------------------- GAMERS Home Page: http://www.phoenyx.net/gamers/
>Has any gamemaster here (or former GM I should say) ever gotten *so* burnt >out that they never wish to GM again? about every six months! honestly, after "the last time" I never thought I would GM again. it's not an addiction. I had to really think about the problems. 1) I didn't like my players. I liked them as friends but not the characters they ran, not the little totem-pole conflicts, not the feeling that as a GM I was somehow in charge of their social life. 2) I didn't like the game I was playing. It was a good idea, it ran for a long time, but I stopped feeling challenged by it. 3) I was trapped as GM. There was no one to take the slack for me if I wasn't up to snuff. my latest group is running better: we really don't see each other except at the game or game-related events. we have multiple GMs and a flexible schedule. I'm running something new and very challenging to my style, but with the reward of enjoying it. ...sugar and spice And Everything Naughtie. ---------------------------------------------------------------- GAMERS Home Page: http://www.phoenyx.net/gamers/
On Thu, 11 Oct 2001, A. E. Naughtie wrote:
> 1) I didn't like my players.
I've run into that.
> I liked them as friends but not the characters they ran,
My problem was, after gaming with them for about seven years, I realized
that I really didn't like to spend time with them anymore. My best friend
was kind of like your description here... I liked him, but I really
didn't like gaming with him. But after my favorite player left town, and
my best friend dropped out when his wife had a baby, I was left with a
hodge-podge of people who had no other friends outside the game, and I
didn't like them.
This hit me when we were playing card games or something, and my wife
wandered off to play on the computer instead of playing games with us.
(She was a regular gamer, roleplaying and otherwise, for years... but
lately she'd started avoiding playing games with the group.) I went into
the computer room to ask her why she wasn't spending time with our
friends. She replied, "They're not *my* friends." To which I replied,
"Well, they're not my friends *either*." And I realized that I meant it.
But it's hard to disband a group that's been together for years when they
have no real social life outside of the group. I eventually begged off
gaming in my senior year of college (in my very late twenties; I got laid
off from an aircraft job and decided to finish my degree) due to a busy
schedule and when I finally put together a new gaming group, I didn't
invite the not-friend players.
> we really don't see each other except at the game
> or game-related events.
I'm kind of bothered by groups like this... I want to game with people I
want to hang out with outside the game. I really had a problem with my
last game because two of the players practically *avoided* extra-game
contact. I really got the impression that they really didn't want to know
the rest of the group and were just "using" us for their gaming pleasure.
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I realize I'm resurrecting a dead thread here, but I got a month behind on E-mail, so.... > I'm kind of bothered by groups like this... I want to game with people I > want to hang out with outside the game. This was part of the reason my last gaming group fell apart. It was a great group. We were all playing GURPS, and all liked the game. I think we were having fun at it as well. However, one of the players dropped out, suddenly, without warning. I asked him about it, and he gave exactly this reason. It was true: our group was only getting together to game, although we did have some E-mail contact occasionally which wasn't game related. But this one guy wanted to game with people who were his friends as well as his "gamer friends." (Then I got busy getting ready to move across the country, and moved, and so far as I know the group has not gotten together again since.) I understand your point of view (and this other guy's), but my perspective is that so long as you enjoy spending time with these people, even if it is only for gaming, go for it. I do this in lots of ways. In times past I've done a whole lot of community theatre. I had friends there-- but I'd never see them outside of the context of a rehearsal, performance, or other theatre event. So it didn't seem terribly unnatural to have gamer friends I only saw when gaming. Yes, it would be great if they were friends I would just hang out with as well, but our hobby is so small that I was just happy to have found a good group of people I enjoyed hanging out with in the context of a game. Now, I don't have a live group at all.... I'm not sure I'd have time for it if I did. (Of course, that's what I said before this other group started up, which met about once a month.) I play a fair amount online, though, in one chat game and in a few PBEM games. I like to think that some of the people there are friends, although I've only met one of them face-to-face. -Rob ---------------------------------------------------------------- GAMERS Home Page: http://www.phoenyx.net/gamers/
At 04:19 PM 10/11/2001 -0500, Robert A. Howard wrote: >It was no fun. It was painful, just about. > >I'm glad it's finally over. Okay, then I have to ask... why did you continue? *curious look* I've had slumps -- I'm in one right now due to my crew not following subplots and me being unable to get them together on a regular basis. But I've always said that when it comes down to being a duty, and a responsibility, and no fun anymore... then its time to say its over. Because at that point how can I be sure I'm making it fun for everyone else? And why torture myself? Personally, I'm not that altruistic. *smiles* ------------------ Because I've run over a half dozen games and not had them *end*. They just petered out and ceased running, due to RL interfering and the like. The group was complaining (well, the two members who've been with me since day 1) that I never end a game. So I *had* to finish this one. I had an obligation of sorts, and I also cut through bits that I felt could be done away with. And also things just started dragging on because the players sensed it with me and thus things became silly. And while the silly was fun... it didn't change things. And also one of those core players was an adamant Hack & Slasher (ironic as I know of few women gamers who stay in the H&S mindset) so I *couldn't* focus just on the silly. Perhaps if it had been a Diceless gaming system where I could wing it more... then things might have been different. I'm not sure. But then again I'd *still* have to keep track of a half dozen or more things (NPCs, enemies, some players...) ------------------ So I'm curious... why did you continue if you weren't enjoying it? ----------------- Because it was my responsibility to end it. Which I did. Thank the Goddess it's done. *sigh* ----------------- D. Rob ---------------------------------------------------------------- GAMERS Home Page: http://www.phoenyx.net/gamers/
> ------------------ > So I'm curious... why did you continue if you weren't enjoying it? > ----------------- > > Because it was my responsibility to end it. Which I did. > Thank the Goddess it's done. *sigh* I would suggest you have an overdeveloped sense of responsibility. ;-) Ciao, Joseph R. Dietrich yikes@evansville.net ---------------------------------------------------------------- GAMERS Home Page: http://www.phoenyx.net/gamers/
