There things always come in threes.... -- Tim Hall, timjh (at) compuserve.com * http://www.kalyr.com "Divide by cucumber error: Please reinstall universe and reboot"
OOC: This is for the benefit of those who would like to play on
compuserve and are not memebers. And for those who are members of
compuserve and are frustrated with the way things have gone.
I apologize in advance for taking up the space if you are not
interested, but just use your delete key. Thanks.
At least three options are being proposed to accomdate the people who
wish to leave the Adultrpg forum on compuserve. One is to stay on
compuserve in another location, for those who can't up and move
quickly. The other two are on the net, and I thought would be of
interest to those who subscribe and lurk this list.
One is set up on delphi setup as a quick and dirty public forum.
http://www.delphi.com/rprefuge
And the one at intranet set up as private forum.
1. Go to http://allrpg.intranets.com/register_member.asp
2. Fill out the information on the new member form using the
Registration Code: 210365
Of the two, I kind of like intranet's stuff better.
Take a look those who are interested. And for all those who tolerated
this message, and yet were not really interested.
Thank you again for you patience.
-Sean aka Pandemonium aka Reylorna
OOC: This is for the benefit of those who would like to play on
compuserve and are not memebers. And for those who are members of
compuserve and are frustrated with the way things have gone.
I apologize in advance for taking up the space if you are not
interested, but just use your delete key. Thanks.
At least three options are being proposed to accomdate the people who
wish to leave the Adultrpg forum on compuserve. One is to stay on
compuserve in another location, for those who can't up and move
quickly. The other two are on the net, and I thought would be of
interest to those who subscribe and lurk this list.
One is set up on delphi setup as a quick and dirty public forum.
http://www.delphi.com/rprefuge
And the one at intranet set up as private forum.
1. Go to http://allrpg.intranets.com/register_member.asp
2. Fill out the information on the new member form using the
Registration Code: 210365
Of the two, I kind of like intranet's stuff better.
Take a look those who are interested. And for all those who tolerated
this message, and yet were not really interested.
Thank you again for you patience.
-Sean aka Pandemonium aka Reylorna
Pandemonium wrote: >OOC: This is for the benefit of those who would like to play on >compuserve and are not memebers. And for those who are members of >compuserve and are frustrated with the way things have gone. And if you hadn't got a clue what all that was all about, read the front page of my web-site, www.kalyr.com BTW, Sean - It's not really appropriate to use a phoenyx.net mailing list to promote rival sites. I'm prepared to cut you some slack this time, we're all rather stressed out and angry over what's happened on RPGAMES/ADULTRPG. Karen Cravens (who owns The Phoenyx, and does read this list) might not be so generous. -- Tim Hall, timjh (at) compuserve.com * http://www.kalyr.com "Divide by cucumber error: Please reinstall universe and reboot"
On Sat, 6 May 2000, Tim Hall wrote: TH>BTW, Sean - It's not really appropriate to use a phoenyx.net mailing TH>list to promote rival sites. I'm prepared to cut you some slack this TH>time, we're all rather stressed out and angry over what's happened on TH>RPGAMES/ADULTRPG. Karen Cravens (who owns The Phoenyx, and does read TH>this list) might not be so generous. Actually, the Phoenyx doesn't really have any "rival sites" per se... far as I know, nobody does exactly what we do, which is to provide mailing lists (and newsgroups, and increasingly-usable-standalone web forums) for roleplaying games, has nifty widgets like the dice roller built in, screens the games to make sure the GMs are halfway committed and have a solid idea of the game they want to run, makes sure the GM tells the players up-front what style of game he wants to play to ensure a good matchup, and then shepherds (actually, it's more like catherds) the GM a bit to make sure he doesn't vanish, and that if he does, there's someone to replace him so the game doesn't die like 99.9% of all PBeMs. There are plenty of places that do some of that... onelist provides approximately one zillion more RPG lists than we do (quality/permanence NOT guaranteed), RPGRealms provides way more widgets than we do (if you're into downloading site-specific programs), and the PBeM Times provides a whole lot more openings (if you don't mind knowing nothing more than "fourth-level AD&D game"). But there's nobody quite like us overall, so if something else appeals, it's a matter of taste and I won't complain. (It's always nice if someone wants to suggest, "Gee, I like the Phoenyx, but you guys should get X like site Y has," but sometimes we're happy to say "We would, but site Y already does it just fine. If they fold, we'll think about taking up the slack.") Now, I *do* object if somebody gets on a game list and hollers, "Hey, everybody, I've got a new game starting up over here. Tim's a l4m3r, let's blow this pop stand and join *my* game." But if somebody else starts a new game and wants to advertise here *and* it's all right with the GM, that's okay. This happens more often on the discussion lists, though, where it's more of a problem... there's *always* more players than slots, so a new game is almost always A Good Thing. But if there are fourteen different places to discuss Game System X, the discussion gets fragmented. Much better to have everyone in one place in that case. -- Karen J. Cravens silver@phoenyx.net
Karen Cravens wrote >Actually, the Phoenyx doesn't really have any "rival sites" per se... far >as I know, nobody does exactly what we do... Karen, can I quote that paragraph whenever I'm asked about the Phoenyx from ex-RPGAMES GMs? >(actually, it's more like catherds) What is it about gamers and cats? [Note for all players and lurkers. It's going to be a few days before we can restart the actual game. If you're not interested in these meta-discussions, you can unsub from the +chat subtopic while continuing to receive the in-character messages. I can't remember the command to do this by email (Arrrgh!) - but you can do via the web by the following: 1) Hit the "settings" button on the navbar at the top of http://www.phoenyx.net/kalyr (or www.kalyr.com/kalyr.htm) 2) Enter your email address on the next screen and hit "send query". 3) Uncheck "chat" on the subtopics list and hit "Update". -- Tim Hall, timjh (at) compuserve.com * http://www.kalyr.com "Divide by cucumber error: Please reinstall universe and reboot"
On Sat, 6 May 2000, Tim Hall wrote: TH>Karen, can I quote that paragraph whenever I'm asked about the Phoenyx TH>from ex-RPGAMES GMs? Sure. Or you can ask Carl (who doesn't read this list, far as I know) and he'll wax much more poetic than I do. TH>[Note for all players and lurkers. It's going to be a few days before TH>we can restart the actual game. If you're not interested in these TH>meta-discussions, you can unsub from the +chat subtopic while TH>continuing to receive the in-character messages. I can't remember the TH>command to do this by email (Arrrgh!) - but you can do via the web by TH>the following: Or just go to http://www.phoenyx.net/help/ and click on "How do I choose the subtopics to read?" and it will tell you how to do it both ways. -- Karen J. Cravens silver@phoenyx.net
>> But if somebody else starts a new game and wants to
advertise here *and* it's all right with the GM, that's
okay. <<
[Clap, clap! Much respect for the approach. Too many people
throwing down on gamers this week; nice to see some good vibes]
The War Dog
Also suffering from the CIS disasters
06/05/00 22:36
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On Sat, 6 May 2000, Hugh Foster wrote: HF>>> But if somebody else starts a new game and wants to HF>advertise here *and* it's all right with the GM, that's HF>okay. << HF> HF>[Clap, clap! Much respect for the approach. Too many people HF>throwing down on gamers this week; nice to see some good vibes] Oh, and while I'm plugging Phoenyx stuff, advertising (provided it's for roleplaying games, anyway) is always welcome at the Openings List: http://www.phoenyx.net/openings/ None of the (current) stuff there is Phoenyx-based, although there's nothing keeping a Phoenyx GM from advertising there. -- Karen J. Cravens silver@phoenyx.net
(On the Kalyr list), Karen wrote: >as I know, nobody does exactly what we do, which is to provide mailing >lists (and newsgroups, and increasingly-usable-standalone web forums) for >roleplaying games, I remember mention of nntp servers a while back, when you listed some new phoenyx commands. Could you tell us a little more about how they work, what they can be used for, etc. ? (My experience with nntp (apart from my ISP's usenet server) is limited to the one on Pyramid Online). -- -------------------------------------------------------------- Listowner tools are found at http://www.phoenyx.net/listowners
On Sun, 7 May 2000, Tim Hall wrote:
TH>I remember mention of nntp servers a while back, when you listed some
TH>new phoenyx commands.
TH>Could you tell us a little more about how they work, what they can be
TH>used for, etc. ?
Newsgroups are a lot like mailing lists, except the distribution is
different. Some programs can handle both (Pine, Yarn), some can't; the
actual messages are structured pretty much the same, except that instead
of having a To: mailing address, you have a Newsgroups: line.
With a mailing list, in its simplest form you have the central server
which maintains the reflector address ("listowners@phoenyx.net") and a
list of carbon-copy addresses. You want to sign up to a mailing list, you
give your address (somehow) to the central server. You pick up the
messages out of your mailbox... "push" technology.
With a newsgroup, in its simplest form you have a central server which
maintains the newsgroup, but not a list of users. Anybody can post, and
the server takes the message and adds it to the "news spool." You pick up
the messages by calling up the server and telling it what messages you
want (in the simplest form, you keep your own last-read pointers)...
"pull" technology.
Other differences: With mail, you get all the messages, and there they
sit until you clean out your mailbox. With news, they sit on the server
until the server expires them based on age, so if you are a new user, you
can pick up a good backlog, but if you don't read the group for awhile,
you may miss something (depending on expiry settings).
With mail, everything happens in the same place, and everyone (usually)
gets messages in the same order. With news, you can have distributed
processing... in Usenet proper, most providers have their own news server.
Each server talks to its neighbors periodically, and they exchange
articles that are new one to the other. So someone on Server A might see
a post from another Server A user right away, but won't see a Server D
post until D has talked to C, C has talked to B, and B has talked to A.
Now, with something like the Pyramid groups, or the Phoenyx groups,
instead of you having your local ISP pick up our newsgroups on their
newsfeed, you'd call up directly. Pyramid requires a username and
password because they're a pay-for proposition. We'd leave that up to the
individual listowners, so some groups would be available to other servers
for echo, other groups would be available only here but without a
username, and still others would require Phoenyx registration (equivalent
to subscribing to a mailing list).
With mail, you have to remember how to cancel the messages being pushed to
you. With news, you have to remember how to go get the messages to pull
from the server, although some programs (Netscape is notorious for
this) helpfully do it for you, resulting in the occasional "How do I
unsubscribe?" post to Usenet.
The Phoenyx would be a gatewayed situation. I did this for awhile with
Yerf newsgroups (another private server). In this case, when you signed
up for the mailing list, it acted like a normal mailing list... anything
you posted to the mailing list got posted to the mailing list and to the
news server. Periodically, the mailing list server checked the newsgroup
to see if anything had been posted there that hadn't come from the mailing
list, and if so, posted it to the mailing list. (It bypassed the usual
are-you-a-member-of-the-mailing-list check for this. It is possible to
set up newsgroups as "moderated" as well, so that they have to be
registered users to post either place, but I was echoing a public
newsgroup so it didn't work that way.) In other words, you can subscribe
whichever way you prefer, and if you're on the mailing list, it looks like
a mailing list regardless of where the messages originated, and if you're
on the news server, it looks like a newsgroup regardless of where the
messages originated.
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