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KarenCravens
Karen Cravens

Fri

May 7
1999

17:56Z

New web features

The referer logs are working now.  Go to the listowners page and follow
the links.

The keywords section will give you an idea of the sorts of things people
are using to find your sites... f'rinstance, someone doing a Yahoo search
for "symbols of hate" ended up in a Sylvrstorm page.  (Okay, so sometimes
search engines are stoned.  I'm going to see about keeping them out of the
transitory Mhonarc archives from now on.)



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FrankWallen
Frank Wallen

Sun

May 9
1999

17:31Z

New web features

At 01:56 AM 5/9/99, you wrote:
*snip*

>Incidentally, does anyone know how to get a site listed with Yahoo?  Not
>that it's really important, since my site (in Geocities) is really just for
>the players and lurkers in my game; but I've tried a few times to get sites
>listed with Yahoo and never succeeded.  I've always filled out all their
>forms and been careful to select the correct place for it and follow all
>their instructions, but I've never gotten a site listed or received any
>indication why not.  Like I said, not really important, but a bit of a pet
>peeve.
>
>Kevin Tisserand
>SylvrStorm Dungeon Master

Forget about it and get it listed elsewhere. From my understanding and what
I've heard, Yahoo is very 'cliquey.' Apparently, it can be on a whim
whether you are listed or not. If you submit twice, they just toss it out
from then on. I suppose if you offer them a cash incentive, that might
grease the wheels ;p

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KarenCravens
Karen Cravens

Mon

May 10
1999

02:45Z

New web features

On 9 May 99, at 1:56, Audrey  & Kevin Tisserand wrote:
> For those of you who are now thinking I'm running some kind of twisted game
> involving "symbols of hate", it was actually just a fluke.  I tried a Yahoo
> search using that with the quotes, and did not get anything related to
> SylvrStorm.  Turns out that when you do the search without the quotes, it
> picks up one of the SylvrStorm archive pages where the subject line of a
> player's post included the word "symbols" (he was investigating some
> mystical symbols he'd seen).  There was nothing about "hate" in it at all.
> I have no idea why this comes in at 4th place out of 8544 hits.  Go figure.

That's okay, "vampire sex" got to the Albuquerque After Dark page. 
 :}

(As long as "animal sex" doesn't get to Westwind, I suppse we're all right...)
 
> Incidentally, does anyone know how to get a site listed with Yahoo?  Not
> that it's really important, since my site (in Geocities) is really just for
> the players and lurkers in my game; but I've tried a few times to get sites
> listed with Yahoo and never succeeded.  I've always filled out all their
> forms and been careful to select the correct place for it and follow all
> their instructions, but I've never gotten a site listed or received any
> indication why not.  Like I said, not really important, but a bit of a pet
> peeve.

I suspect Geocities pages are too transient for them to index.

--
Karen J. Cravens  silver@phoenyx.net
The Dog Ate My Sketchbook:  http://silver.phoenyx.net/
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KarenCravens
Karen Cravens

Mon

May 10
1999

21:46Z

New web features

On 10 May 99, at 11:07, Audrey  & Kevin Tisserand wrote:
> I thought of that too, but the site for the Phoenyx hosted game that I'm a
> player in (Master of the Desert Nomads) is listed in Yahoo, and it's also a
> Geocities site.  Maybe they got stricter during the interval between the two
> games' start dates.  Whatever.

(text width cranked way out to display lynx pages)
Ah.  Well, poking about on the pages in question, I think I can tell you another hint.  Here is the 
beginning page for one:

                                                     Master of the Desert Nomads Home Page (p1 of 4)

   [1]GeoCities Rank My Site Take A Tour My Guestbook [2]Chat 
   [3]Pages Like Mine [4]Search [5]Send This Page [6]Forums [7]Email Me 
   [8]Area51 

                                             IFRAME:
   
[9]http://adforce.imgis.com/?adiframe|2.0|25|11616|1|1|key=none;misc=243586540;loc=600;targ
                                             et=top
                                        [10]GeoGuide AD 
     
________________________________________________________________________________
______

                               [11]Click here for menu [12][LINK] 
     
________________________________________________________________________________
______

                                    Master of the Desert Nomads
     
________________________________________________________________________________
______

   Welcome to the home page of the [13]Master of the Desert Nomads play by eMail game. This
   game is set in the magical world of Mystara, the fantasy setting for the original role
   playing game Dungeons and Dragons. This page contains details of events and information of
   interest to the current players of the game.

   Rumours abound that a large army has been gathered to the far west in the Great Waste.
   Spies report massive armies gathering and although only the Republic of Darokin is
   immediately threatened, should they fall, the Duchy will be next and a general call to arms
   has been issued to march to the aid of the republic.

   Drawn to the trouble brave adventurers find themselves crossing the scorching wastes of
   unknown deserts in a valiant attempt to prevent the known world falling under the evil of
   the mysterious "Master".

   Click [14]HERE to find out more and join the list.

And here is the opening web page for t'other:

                                                                                SylvrStorm (p1 of 3)

   SylvrStorm
   
   SylvrStorm Pages
     * [1]Rules System
     * [2]Posting Requirements
     * [3]Game Mechanics
     * [4]Playing Guidelines
     * [5]Campaign Style
     * [6]New Characters
     * [7]World Information
     * [8]Characters
     * [9]The Story So Far
     * [10]Lore
     
________________________________________________________________________________
______

   Administrivia
     * [11]Site Map
   
                                        [12]Email the DM 
     
________________________________________________________________________________
______

   Mailing Host Site
     * [13]Phoenyx
     
________________________________________________________________________________
______
   
   Other PBEM Sites
     * [14]Lightning Games
     * [15]Desert Nomads
     * [16]Primal Grit
     * [17]Game Announcements
     * [18]PBEM tools

That's a Lynx screen dump.  Pretend you're an overworked Yahoovian pagegrinder assigned to 
make sure that what is submitted matches its description.  How hard are *you* going to look for 
content on the 400,000 web pages you have to review?


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The Dog Ate My Sketchbook:  http://silver.phoenyx.net/
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MikeF
Mike Feldhusen

Wed

May 12
1999

02:03Z

New web features

At 05:50 PM 5/11/99, Karen J. Cravens wrote:
>In article <000501be99e9$955296c0$6b2fc28e@audrey>,
>"Audrey  & Kevin Tisserand"  wrote:
>>For those of you who are now thinking I'm running some kind of twisted game
>>involving "symbols of hate", it was actually just a fluke.  I tried a Yahoo
>>search using that with the quotes, and did not get anything related to
>>SylvrStorm.  Turns out that when you do the search without the quotes, it
>>picks up one of the SylvrStorm archive pages where the subject line of a
>>player's post included the word "symbols" (he was investigating some
>>mystical symbols he'd seen).  There was nothing about "hate" in it at all.
>>I have no idea why this comes in at 4th place out of 8544 hits.  Go figure.
>
>Like I said, search engines are stoned.  But that's okay... the
>latest amusing reference is "nasty women of star trek."  Heh.

I don't think I want to know. . . .


-- 
Michael Feldhusen					mikef@pharlap.com
    http://excalibur.pharlap.com/homepage.html


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