On Wed, 1 Dec 1999, Nick Pendrell wrote: NP>My list has unsubscribed three players in the last few hours by itself. Is NP>there any way of stopping it as obviously the game is grinding to a halt as a NP>result of it. It has? I'm not showing anybody being unsubscribed since midnight local (except for pixilated who has un- and re-subscribed while dinking around on the web pages, but that didn't look abnormal). Now, there are a whole batch of yahoo users who haven't gotten their mail yet because yahoo is denying connections, but they should eventually get through. (Not much we can do about that... dunno if it's the holidays or what, but it looks like a lot of forwarders are having this trouble... netforward's been on its knees for the past few weeks, and on its face in the dirt for the last few days. Hotmail, oddly, has been doing well... knock on wood. Hmm. Maybe the others run on Microsoftware and this is Microsabotage...) Anyway, what is telling you they're unsubscribed? -- -------------------------------------------------------------- Listowner tools are found at http://www.phoenyx.net/listowners
It has? I'm not showing anybody being unsubscribed since midnight local (except for pixilated who has un- and re-subscribed while dinking around on the web pages, but that didn't look abnormal). Now, there are a whole batch of yahoo users who haven't gotten their mail yet because yahoo is denying connections, but they should eventually get through. (Not much we can do about that... dunno if it's the holidays or what, but it looks like a lot of forwarders are having this trouble... netforward's been on its knees for the past few weeks, and on its face in the dirt for the last few days. Hotmail, oddly, has been doing well... knock on wood. Hmm. Maybe the others run on Microsoftware and this is Microsabotage...) Anyway, what is telling you they're unsubscribed? The first sign that I got was that I got messages from players for moderation. They are all from *real* email accounts: direct.ca rice.edu compaq.net If it came from one of the rubbish web-based services, then it wouldn't have suprised me, but these accounts haven't had any problems before. When I came to resubscribe them, the web acted as if they had never been on there before. Hopefully I have been able to resubscribe them now, but I'm worried that I'll boot up tomorrow and find another 30+ messages waiting for moderation. Thanks for all your help. Bye for now, Nick -- -------------------------------------------------------------- Listowner tools are found at http://www.phoenyx.net/listowners
On Wed, 1 Dec 1999, Nick Pendrell wrote: NP>The first sign that I got was that I got messages from players for moderation. Vedddddy interesting. Okay, I think I see what happened. Those are bogus errors, actually... looks like the master subscription file was busy or otherwise inaccessible (the question is, why). But they're actually still in it (all the moderation knows is, it asked if they were in it and got a negative response. Negative-user-not-found is not currently distinguished from negative-file-not-readable), and on the distribution list, and getting mail. Well, they would if mail was being sent, anyway. Moderated messages don't touch the master subscribe file (except to update quotas, but if it can't find them or the file, it will skip that) because they don't care if it's a subscriber. NP>When I came to resubscribe them, the web acted as if they had never been on NP>there before. Now that's peculiar; nothing showed up in the log about that, one way or another. I'd expect it to either claim it couldn't subscribe them (if it was still busy), or go ahead and give you the already-subscribed info. Hmm. NP>Hopefully I have been able to resubscribe them now, but I'm worried that I'll NP>boot up tomorrow and find another 30+ messages waiting for moderation. Hadn't ought to, but I need to find out what was holding that file hostage before I'm sure. -- Karen J. Cravens silver@phoenyx.net The Dog Ate My Sketchbook: http://silver.phoenyx.net/ -- -------------------------------------------------------------- Listowner tools are found at http://www.phoenyx.net/listowners
I've read this through about five times, but it still goes way over my head! I get the general gist though. Has there been any progress on the auto-spam removal software? I have noticed over the months that they are always, always blind copies. If it could be set so that BCC's were junked, but everything else got through, then that would solve it. The players have finally stopped posting now and so I don't know if the problem is solved or not. If it isn't, then I will let you know. Thanks once again for all your help. Bye for now, Nick On Wed, 1 Dec 1999, Nick Pendrell wrote: NP>The first sign that I got was that I got messages from players for moderation. Vedddddy interesting. Okay, I think I see what happened. Those are bogus errors, actually... looks like the master subscription file was busy or otherwise inaccessible (the question is, why). But they're actually still in it (all the moderation knows is, it asked if they were in it and got a negative response. Negative-user-not-found is not currently distinguished from negative-file-not-readable), and on the distribution list, and getting mail. Well, they would if mail was being sent, anyway. Moderated messages don't touch the master subscribe file (except to update quotas, but if it can't find them or the file, it will skip that) because they don't care if it's a subscriber. NP>When I came to resubscribe them, the web acted as if they had never been on NP>there before. Now that's peculiar; nothing showed up in the log about that, one way or another. I'd expect it to either claim it couldn't subscribe them (if it was still busy), or go ahead and give you the already-subscribed info. Hmm. NP>Hopefully I have been able to resubscribe them now, but I'm worried that I'll NP>boot up tomorrow and find another 30+ messages waiting for moderation. Hadn't ought to, but I need to find out what was holding that file hostage before I'm sure. -- Karen J. Cravens silver@phoenyx.net The Dog Ate My Sketchbook: http://silver.phoenyx.net/ -- -------------------------------------------------------------- Listowner tools are found at http://www.phoenyx.net/listowners -- -------------------------------------------------------------- Listowner tools are found at http://www.phoenyx.net/listowners
On Wed, 1 Dec 1999, Nick Pendrell wrote: NP>I've read this through about five times, but it still goes way over my head! Well, that's okay. Someday I'll write a "How It All Works" page with pictures and circles and arrows and a paragraph on the back of each one, but not until I get the "How to Use It" pages done. NP>Has there been any progress on the auto-spam removal software? I have noticed NP>over the months that they are always, always blind copies. If it could be set NP>so that BCC's were junked, but everything else got through, then that would NP>solve it. No, no one sent that request to support so it didn't make it into my to-do list so I forgot to change that in the last release. Next release, I'm going to give it varying levels of moderation responses, from BCC+nonsubscriber (scrap without telling moderator or sender) to BCC+subscriber (tell subscriber, not moderator) to nonCC+nonsubscriber (tell moderator and/or subscriber). But before I do another release, I'm going to get the documentation done. -- -------------------------------------------------------------- Listowner tools are found at http://www.phoenyx.net/listowners
On Wed, 1 Dec 1999, Karen Cravens wrote: > days. Hotmail, oddly, has been doing well... knock on wood. Hmm. Maybe > the others run on Microsoftware and this is Microsabotage...) Thanks. I just had a whole boatload of Hotmail messages bounce. Knock on some *real* wood next time instead of that pressboard stuff. -- Carl D Cravens (raven@phoenyx.net) Madness takes it's toll...please have exact change. -- -------------------------------------------------------------- Listowner tools are found at http://www.phoenyx.net/listowners
I'm sorry to disprove your theory that the list is not unsubscribing addresses, but the facts show me that this really is happening. At 12.48 EST yesterday I ran a report to tell me who was subscribed to the list and it told me that there were 85 users, which is about right. I just ran another one at 07.16 EST today and there are only 21 users left on the list - 64 of them have disappeared! I haven't had the daily report through from the system to tell many unsubscribed themselves, but I don't think that I have managed to bore 64 of them enough to get them to leave so quickly! I have the two copies of the report and so can send them through if it helps. Ironically, I have also had in this morning's mail another person saying that they are trying to unsubscribe, but the listserver tells them that they aren't subscribed, even though they are still receiving mail. I don't know whether these two facts are connected or not, but something is definitely rotten in the state of Denmark. Thanks again for all your help with this. Bye for now, Nick On Wed, 1 Dec 1999, Nick Pendrell wrote: NP>I've read this through about five times, but it still goes way over my head! Well, that's okay. Someday I'll write a "How It All Works" page with pictures and circles and arrows and a paragraph on the back of each one, but not until I get the "How to Use It" pages done. NP>Has there been any progress on the auto-spam removal software? I have noticed NP>over the months that they are always, always blind copies. If it could be set NP>so that BCC's were junked, but everything else got through, then that would NP>solve it. No, no one sent that request to support so it didn't make it into my to-do list so I forgot to change that in the last release. Next release, I'm going to give it varying levels of moderation responses, from BCC+nonsubscriber (scrap without telling moderator or sender) to BCC+subscriber (tell subscriber, not moderator) to nonCC+nonsubscriber (tell moderator and/or subscriber). But before I do another release, I'm going to get the documentation done. -- -------------------------------------------------------------- Listowner tools are found at http://www.phoenyx.net/listowners -- -------------------------------------------------------------- Listowner tools are found at http://www.phoenyx.net/listowners
