This is an interesting one... it's a "sim", which isn't quite a traditional roleplaying game. The big difference here, beyond the subject matter of it being a TV talk show, is that there isn't much of a plot except what the players develop on their own. My biggest reluctance is that she's already playing in *7* sims and doesn't have time to run one... except that sims generally don't require as much GM input because the GM doesn't even have to provide NPC's. Just get a bunch of simmers together and give them all characters. Since there will be off-screen activity as well, there's potential for some interesting story, but the GM doesn't have anything planned. Normally this is a red-flag for me... no idea what the plot is about usually indicates lack of planning. I'm not sure if it's different for a sim. Anyway... tell me what you think. Does this sound like it will work? Will having this game bring glory and honor to the Phoenyx, or will it be a black blot on our name when it crashes and burns? > id = The-View > title = The View > blurb = Have you ever watched ABC's Daytime talk show "The View," and think to > yourself wouldn't it be fun to play on that show? Well now you don't have to > think about it you can now play on that show! The game will > be just like the tv show except we will have males and females on it instead of > all females! The game will need 5 talk show hosts, about 3 reporters, a > alternate host, and celebs! > We will add more people as we go! So there will be open positions every now and > then! > > If your interested in joining "YOU BETTER HURRY" because hopefully the positions > will go quickly! > about = My name is Jenna Davis. I'm 21 years old! I'm currently playing in 7 > different RPG's, 5 of them are STAR TREK email sims, and the other are Wrestling > and Soap Opera RPG's! I love to read and listen to music. My favorite singers > are Jewel, Cyndi Lauper, Tori Amos, Lauryn Hill, Lucinda Williams, Brittany > Spears, and Clay Walker! I also love to surf the internet! In response to a request for more detail... ======= Well The View is kinda like Oprah but with 5 female talk show hosts! Barbra Walters is the one that writes and produces the show! The show is rather quit annoying at times! Well we would have celebs come on and we would interview them and there would also be behind the screens role playing. We would do role playing when the camera stops and starts to tape! I have big expectations for this email sim and I think it will be great fun for all! Heres some other stuff we would do..... Interview celebs be on other peoples talk shows behind the scenes we would do so much stuff! I was kinda hopeing to ask the players once I get some on what they think that we should do.<< =======-- Carl D Cravens (raven@phoenyx.net) Phoenyx Co-Manager -- -------------------------------------------------------------- Listowner tools are found at http://www.phoenyx.net/listowners
> Anyway... tell me what you think. Does this sound like it will work? Will > having this game bring glory and honor to the Phoenyx, or will it be a black > blot on our name when it crashes and burns? I think it'd work if she can get some enthusiastic people together, people who don't mind that annoying '!' habit of hers. As for glory and honour... Well, maybe. It sounds like fun for a rainy afternoon but I like a bit of direction to my RPGs. I say no - it won't last a month, and it lowers the average 'depth' of the Phoenyx's range. Silk Kendiron GM and Webmaster Red Snow - They attack at nightfall http\\www.geocities.com\silk_kendiron\red_snow.htm If you stop and think about it, you'll realize that three out of four persons do not know exactly what they're doing a large part of the time. -- Gelett Burgess -- -------------------------------------------------------------- Listowner tools are found at http://www.phoenyx.net/listowners
On Fri, 2 Jun 2000, Steve Almond wrote: > > Anyway... tell me what you think. Does this sound like it will work? > > Will having this game bring glory and honor to the Phoenyx, or will it > > be a black blot on our name when it crashes and burns? > > I think it'd work if she can get some enthusiastic people together, people > who don't mind that annoying '!' habit of hers. As for glory and honour... > Well, maybe. It sounds like fun for a rainy afternoon but I like a bit of > direction to my RPGs. I say no - it won't last a month, and it lowers the > average 'depth' of the Phoenyx's range. Personally, I have to agree with Steve here. It *might* work, but it's not likely to, not long-term at least. And I'm not sure that even if it does, it would bring any "glory and honor" to the Phoenyx. -- -------------------------------------------------------------- Listowner tools are found at http://www.phoenyx.net/listowners
On Fri, 2 Jun 2000, Michael Feldhusen wrote: > Personally, I have to agree with Steve here. It *might* work, but it's > not likely to, not long-term at least. That's three negatives. Guess it about makes up my mind. > And I'm not sure that even if it does, it would bring any "glory and > honor" to the Phoenyx. I'm trying to stay open-minded. My preference for roleplaying isn't everyone's and if people can enjoy wrestling and soap opera sims, whose to say that a talk show sim isn't going to be popular? I don't require that roleplaying games follow traditional patterns and genres. But this one did strike me as odd... but I think that's because it's a sim. I have a lot of trouble accepting simming as being equal to roleplaying, regardless of the genre. Maybe that's because simming got started in the get-a-life Trekkie crowd who really wanted to be in Star Trek. -- -------------------------------------------------------------- Listowner tools are found at http://www.phoenyx.net/listowners
Carl D Cravens wrote: >I'm trying to stay open-minded. My preference for roleplaying isn't >everyone's and if people can enjoy wrestling and soap opera sims, whose to >say that a talk show sim isn't going to be popular? I don't require that >roleplaying games follow traditional patterns and genres. While I tend to agree with those that say 'It's not going to last', the format makes me think it *could* survive a high player turnover - There's new guests every week, and TV presenters have notoriously short shelf-lives. -- -------------------------------------------------------------- Listowner tools are found at http://www.phoenyx.net/listowners
On 2 Jun 00, at 15:15, Carl D Cravens wrote: > I'm trying to stay open-minded. My preference for roleplaying isn't > everyone's and if people can enjoy wrestling and soap opera sims, > whose to say that a talk show sim isn't going to be popular? I don't > require that roleplaying games follow traditional patterns and genres. > But this one did strike me as odd... but I think that's because it's > a sim. I have a lot of trouble accepting simming as being equal to > roleplaying, regardless of the genre. Maybe that's because simming > got started in the get-a-life Trekkie crowd who really wanted to be in > Star Trek. My two cents: In one camp, we have Real Roleplayers, many of whom bemoan the fact that their hobby is ghettoized, and never catches on with the mainstream population. In another camp, we have Dedicated Simmers, who are generally blissfully unaware of the Roleplayers' existence, but who represent everything that's missing from the Roleplayers hobby: they're TV-watching non-geeks, disproportionately female. If I really wanted to make a fortune and revolutionize the roleplaying industry, I wouldn't prattle about Open Gaming Licenses and whatnot - Hasbro is barking up the wrong tree. No, I'd find a way to repackage roleplaying games as "sims." Be careful what you wish for, Real Roleplayers. Simmers /are/ the face of roleplaying introduced to the masses. -- -------------------------------------------------------------- Listowner tools are found at http://www.phoenyx.net/listowners
On Fri, 2 Jun 2000, Jason Knight wrote: > you wish for, Real Roleplayers. Simmers /are/ the face of > roleplaying introduced to the masses. Karen and I were discussing this at dinner... simming is pure roleplaying. And my roleplaying moves in the direction of simming to a certain extent... fewer and fewer rules in an attempt to ditch the rule-laden paradigm of "normal" roleplaying. But I always imagine simming breaking down into the look-at-me, everyone-talking-at-once-to-nobody-in-particular chaos that MUD's do. (Not that I've been in a MUD in ages.) -- -------------------------------------------------------------- Listowner tools are found at http://www.phoenyx.net/listowners
On Fri, 2 Jun 2000, Jason Knight wrote: > On 2 Jun 00, at 15:15, Carl D Cravens wrote: > > > I'm trying to stay open-minded. My preference for roleplaying isn't > > everyone's and if people can enjoy wrestling and soap opera sims, > > whose to say that a talk show sim isn't going to be popular? I don't > > require that roleplaying games follow traditional patterns and genres. > > But this one did strike me as odd... but I think that's because it's > > a sim. I have a lot of trouble accepting simming as being equal to > > roleplaying, regardless of the genre. Maybe that's because simming > > got started in the get-a-life Trekkie crowd who really wanted to be in > > Star Trek. > > My two cents: > > In one camp, we have Real Roleplayers, many of whom bemoan > the fact that their hobby is ghettoized, and never catches on with > the mainstream population. In another camp, we have Dedicated > Simmers, who are generally blissfully unaware of the Roleplayers' > existence, but who represent everything that's missing from the > Roleplayers hobby: they're TV-watching non-geeks, > disproportionately female. > > If I really wanted to make a fortune and revolutionize the > roleplaying industry, I wouldn't prattle about Open Gaming Licenses > and whatnot - Hasbro is barking up the wrong tree. No, I'd find a > way to repackage roleplaying games as "sims." Be careful what > you wish for, Real Roleplayers. Simmers /are/ the face of > roleplaying introduced to the masses. I know that Jason's comment wasn't a reply to me, but it was a reply to Carl's reply to me, so I'm connected in here somewhere. I think Anyway, I have nothing against "Simmers", I was expressing my opinion of *this* proposed sim. Maybe it was just the writing style, but it really didn't go over well with me. I know, I don't have to play in it or even read it, but if someone asks for my opinion I will give it based on what I can see. In this case, I thought that the person proposing it didn't have a good "style" nor was I convinced that they 1) knew how to help make it work if it had trouble or 2) would stick around even if there *wasn't* a problem. Personally, I would have no problem if someone wanted to run a soap opera or wrestling sim. After all, I was accused of running the first with _Excalibur_ myself. BTW, Rumors of War is just about ready to go. I still have to finish a few minor details, like write the adversting paragraph and that sort of stuff. Anyone here who wants to play can subscribe now. If you want to take a look at the web site (http://excalibur.pharlap.com/Rumors_of_War/Rumors_of_War.html) feel free. It still needs work, but the basic information is there. And yes, your character can be from any Imperial citizen race, including Aslan, Vagr and, gods have mercy, Droyne. -- -------------------------------------------------------------- Listowner tools are found at http://www.phoenyx.net/listowners
On 3 Jun 00, at 21:48, Michael Feldhusen wrote: > I know that Jason's comment wasn't a reply to me, but it was a reply > to Carl's reply to me, so I'm connected in here somewhere. I think I picked the last post in the thread, truth be known. > Anyway, I have nothing against "Simmers", I was expressing my opinion > of *this* proposed sim. Maybe it was just the writing style, but it > really didn't go over well with me. You're more open-minded than I am, then. This struck me as a very typical sim. With all that that implies. > And yes, your character can be from any Imperial citizen race, > including Aslan, Vagr and, gods have mercy, Droyne. Harrumph. Racist. -- -------------------------------------------------------------- Listowner tools are found at http://www.phoenyx.net/listowners
On Sun, 4 Jun 2000, Jason Knight wrote: > On 3 Jun 00, at 21:48, Michael Feldhusen wrote: > > > I know that Jason's comment wasn't a reply to me, but it was a reply > > to Carl's reply to me, so I'm connected in here somewhere. I think > > I picked the last post in the thread, truth be known. > > > Anyway, I have nothing against "Simmers", I was expressing my opinion > > of *this* proposed sim. Maybe it was just the writing style, but it > > really didn't go over well with me. > > You're more open-minded than I am, then. This struck me as a > very typical sim. With all that that implies. Perhaps. Maybe I haven't been exposed to many of them. Again, OTOH, several of my _Excalibur_ players referred to the game as a "Sim" so. . . > > And yes, your character can be from any Imperial citizen race, > > including Aslan, Vagr and, gods have mercy, Droyne. > > Harrumph. Racist. Please. "Specisist" is a much better term. -- -------------------------------------------------------------- Listowner tools are found at http://www.phoenyx.net/listowners
Carl Cravens wrote: >Anyway... tell me what you think. Does this sound like it will work? Will >having this game bring glory and honor to the Phoenyx, or will it be a black >blot on our name when it crashes and burns? I have mixed feelings about this one. I treat the fact that the player plays in *7* sims already as a plus rather than a minus. I know people that GM 4 on-line games and play in something like 20. There are people out there with waaay too much time on their hands. However, I do share you reservations about lack of direction, but what she's trying to do makes it sound like storylines will be very player-driven anyway. The! excessive! number! of! exclaimation! marks! put! me! off! This sounds like something that could either fly or crash and burn and there's no way of telling. -- -------------------------------------------------------------- Listowner tools are found at http://www.phoenyx.net/listowners
On Fri, 2 Jun 2000, Tim Hall wrote: > The! excessive! number! of! exclaimation! marks! put! me! off! I figured that this wouldn't be a problem in a simulation of an all-woman talk show. :) -- -------------------------------------------------------------- Listowner tools are found at http://www.phoenyx.net/listowners
