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KarenCravens
Karen Cravens

Wed

Jun 7
2000

16:25Z

Poll

Okay, there's a features poll on the Phoenyx front page.  Woo.  Send your
users there if you want.

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MikeF
Mike Feldhusen

Thu

Jun 8
2000

01:11Z

Poll

On Wed, 7 Jun 2000, Karen J. Cravens wrote:

> Okay, there's a features poll on the Phoenyx front page.  Woo.  Send your
> users there if you want.

I just went and took a look.  Honestly, I can't say that I am pining away
for any of them.  The existing Mail List Settings tools seem to work quite
well and I'm really not that interested in the other items.

Of course, this is probably just me.

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KarenCravens
Karen Cravens

Thu

Jun 8
2000

02:56Z

Poll

On Wed, 7 Jun 2000, Michael Feldhusen wrote:

MF>I just went and took a look.  Honestly, I can't say that I am pining away
MF>for any of them.  The existing Mail List Settings tools seem to work quite
MF>well and I'm really not that interested in the other items.

Bah.  There's always room for improvement.

Two things, specifically:  a centralized registry, so you only have to
change your email address/other data one place, and it's changed for all
your lists.  That's one, useful for both email- and web-based settings
maintenance.

The other is for the web-based tools to be able to give you a cookie
(matched up with your email address) so that it always knows who you are
and can safely make changes without having to continually ask you for your
address ("Yes, I know you just changed your settings on List A, but now
you need to re-enter the address on *this* form for List B") and/or send
you verification email.

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SteveAlmond
Steve Almond

Thu

Jun 8
2000

08:42Z

Poll

> Bah.  There's always room for improvement.

Always!  :-)

> The other is for the web-based tools to be able to give you a cookie
> (matched up with your email address) so that it always knows who you are
> and can safely make changes without having to continually ask you for your
> address ("Yes, I know you just changed your settings on List A, but now
> you need to re-enter the address on *this* form for List B") and/or send
> you verification email.

Oh yes.  Please!  I use the listowners/users settings pages so infrequently
that I forget everything every time I go there.  A cookie would be nice,
thanks.


Steve

>From "A Skier's Dictionary":
Thor:
     The Scandinavian god of acheth and painth.


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MikeF
Mike Feldhusen

Thu

Jun 8
2000

16:41Z

Poll

On Wed, 7 Jun 2000, Karen J. Cravens wrote:

> On Wed, 7 Jun 2000, Michael Feldhusen wrote:
> 
> MF>I just went and took a look.  Honestly, I can't say that I am pining away
> MF>for any of them.  The existing Mail List Settings tools seem to work quite
> MF>well and I'm really not that interested in the other items.
> 
> Bah.  There's always room for improvement.

I didn't say there was no room for improvement, just that I don't see any
improvement in those areas as really important.

> Two things, specifically:  a centralized registry, so you only have to
> change your email address/other data one place, and it's changed for all
> your lists.  That's one, useful for both email- and web-based settings
> maintenance.
> 
> The other is for the web-based tools to be able to give you a cookie
> (matched up with your email address) so that it always knows who you are
> and can safely make changes without having to continually ask you for your
> address ("Yes, I know you just changed your settings on List A, but now
> you need to re-enter the address on *this* form for List B") and/or send
> you verification email.

Yeah, both of those would be nice, but I don't really seem them as very
important.

Again, it's probably just me.

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KarenCravens
Karen Cravens

Thu

Jun 8
2000

19:12Z

Poll

On Thu, 8 Jun 2000, Michael Feldhusen wrote:

MF>I didn't say there was no room for improvement, just that I don't see any
MF>improvement in those areas as really important.
MF>
MF>Yeah, both of those would be nice, but I don't really seem them as very
MF>important.
MF>
MF>Again, it's probably just me.

Well, the survey was about *relative* importance.  It wasn't a "should I
stay up late to do A, B, or C" kind of thing... I'm perpetually tweaking
on the thing, so I figured I may as well make sure I'd working on the same
things everyone else would like to see tweaked.

Unfortunately, the registry (which would best improve the web-based
mailing list settings) pretty much requires SQL, which requires the
compiler, which requires the newer/newest Debian distro, which requires a
lot of work on Carl's part (I'm the programmer, he's the sysadmin), and
he's got too much honey-do stuff around the house right now before the
baby arrives.  So I've got it running under a CSV-based SQL emulator,
which is fine for testing (you may or may not remember seeing a bit of it
at http://www.phoenyx.net/cgi-bin/login) but ultimately way too slow for
production use (more than one person using it will generate file locking
delays, for one thing).

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CarlCravens
Carl D Cravens

Thu

Jun 8
2000

19:31Z

Poll

On Thu, 8 Jun 2000, Karen J. Cravens wrote:

> Unfortunately, the registry (which would best improve the web-based
> mailing list settings) pretty much requires SQL, which requires the
> compiler, which requires the newer/newest Debian distro, which requires a
> lot of work on Carl's part (I'm the programmer, he's the sysadmin), and

And would have been done if the CDROM drive hadn't flaked out during the
upgrade.  Having gone through it abortively once, I know about how long
it'll take... but I need to figure out why the CDROM isn't working.  I
suspect I need a different one... I don't think it's completely compatible
with the IDE driver.  (I can't even remember what drive I installed from.)  
It's hard to experiment on a machine that I can't take down whenever I
want.  (Man, this is starting to sound like my job.  Next I'll have to
pass any changes I want to make through a review board before I can do
anything.)

If anybody has a slow but very reliable name brand IDE CDROM drive they
can get rid of, I need one.

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KarenCravens
Karen Cravens

Thu

Jun 8
2000

20:47Z

Poll

On Thu, 8 Jun 2000, Carl D Cravens wrote:

CDC>And would have been done if the CDROM drive hadn't flaked out during the

I figured I'd leave the CDROM out of the steps because I couldn't remember
if that was it.

CDC>want.  (Man, this is starting to sound like my job.  Next I'll have to
CDC>pass any changes I want to make through a review board before I can do
CDC>anything.)

Didn't I tell you?  listowners+voteonalladministrativechanges is the new
subtopic.

CDC>If anybody has a slow but very reliable name brand IDE CDROM drive they
CDC>can get rid of, I need one.

I can probably mooch one at work.  They're giving away 486's, too.  
(Raffling them off for charity.  No monitor or keyboard, but I think
they've got hard/floppy drives and whatnot, and I know they've got at
least 12MB RAM, some with more.  Oh, and a free Windows 3.11 (Workgroups)
license.  The running joke is, if you *don't* buy a raffle ticket, they'll
make you take one.)

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