FYI. If your list has had any messages in the last 48 hours, you probably just lost all your Hotmail users. Again. The current blurb tacked on to the resub message for Hotmail users is this: "If you're a Hotmail user and the error provided was 'SMTP; 554 Transaction failed', you should be aware that this is recurring problem. Hotmail bounces everyone's mail like this regularly, and there's nothing we can do. We strongly recommend resubscribing with a different address, since Hotmail has done this for the better part of a year (so far) with no indication it's going to improve. It's not just listmail, either - anyone else who tried to send you mail during this time period got rejected, including your friends and family." Yahoo is doing the delay thing again, but at least it's not returning permanent errors, and the stuff eventually goes through. Why are people so enamored of freemailers anyway? -- -------------------------------------------------------------- Listowner tools are found at http://www.phoenyx.net/listowners
Karen Cravens wrote: >Yahoo is doing the delay thing again, but at least it's not returning >permanent errors, and the stuff eventually goes through. Why are >people so enamored of freemailers anyway? I assume it's people who don't have personal ISP accounts, and use webmail during their lunch-hours at work. Or people who want to be able to access mail both from home and work. -- -------------------------------------------------------------- Listowner tools are found at http://www.phoenyx.net/listowners
On 16 Sep 2000, at 10:42, Tim Hall wrote: > I assume it's people who don't have personal ISP accounts, and use > webmail during their lunch-hours at work. Or people who want to be > able to access mail both from home and work. By and large, it's not the first, at least. I'm not sure if it's the second; if it is, it works out to be "people who want their mail to be equally inaccessible from both home and work." Problem is, there really isn't any particular service that's significantly better. Hotmail's problem is just (I assume, since it's always a disk-full error) its popularity, but places like Bigfoot have regular technical outages for other reasons... Yahoo's just barely fast enough to not reject mail (well, actually, what's happening is that Hotmail is returning a permanent error, where Yahoo just returns a temporary and delays the message), and so on. If they need to access their email from work, they should just use http://www.mail2web.com/ and have done with it. Heck, *I* could set up a web-based mailreader on the Phoenyx if it would help. Email shouldn't be this hard. -- -------------------------------------------------------------- Listowner tools are found at http://www.phoenyx.net/listowners
Karen Cravens wrote: >If they need to access their email from work, they should just use >http://www.mail2web.com/ and have done with it. Heck, *I* could >set up a web-based mailreader on the Phoenyx if it would help. My British ISP has a web-based view into the POP3 mailbox, as do several others - do no US ISPs do such a thing? -- -------------------------------------------------------------- Listowner tools are found at http://www.phoenyx.net/listowners
On 16 Sep 2000, at 14:36, Tim Hall wrote: > My British ISP has a web-based view into the POP3 mailbox, as do > several others - do no US ISPs do such a thing? Lots do, and like I said, even if yours doesn't you can usually use mail2web. (Southwind didn't used to allow non-Southwind dialups to access the POP server, for security reasons; we had to put an exception in their database to allow, for example, those of us with Southwind accounts to access our mail from the bank's connection. They've since changed that, hopefully because they patched the security hole in qpopper and not because the security- conscious sysadmin/owner no longer owns the place...) -- -------------------------------------------------------------- Listowner tools are found at http://www.phoenyx.net/listowners
