My gut reaction to this is negative. Can anybody tell me why this game and gamemaster would make a good addition to the Phoenyx? Can you give me a constructive way to reject him if it isn't a good match? > On Thu Jan 4 04:51:44 2001, > The following information was submitted: > Host: 63.21.37.230 > name = Juan C de Paz > submit_by = west_east@msn.com > id = Langrisserwar@phoenyx.net > title = Continent of Shadow and Fire > blurb = In the world of Europa the continent of Vandros is gearing > for war. Fifty nations are getting ready for a war to the > knife. And no one knows why. On the stars is written that > once the war starts it shall last for a hundred years. > From the ashes of Vandros shall arise a ruler, the > Langrisser, who shall rule in power and glory for ten > thousand years. But it isn't written if the Langrisser > will be a ruler for good or evil... > web = > genre = Fantasy > system = Rpg pbem. Dayly postings by me and other GMs > about = I have been an assistant GM in the Allerian Empire pbem for > a couple of months but I overstepped the boundaries too > much. My GM called me the bloodiest AGM in the game. I > was very realistic and rough on the players, but I always > let them alive and rewarded them well for their > sufferings. I played in the Allerian Empire for some six > months previous to becoming an AGM. > > I am interested in starting a game but I have little skill > with computers. I have written a three hundred page book > about the continent of Vandros and the Langrisser War. I > have dozens of characters that could be NPCs or PCs, > several maps and enough time to be a GM. I am open to > suggestions and flexible. I want to bring my world to > life. I need help with the technical part. > > -- Carl D Cravens (raven@phoenyx.net) Phoenyx Co-Manager -- -------------------------------------------------------------- Listowner tools are found at http://www.phoenyx.net/listowners
>My gut reaction to this is negative. Can anybody tell me why this game and >gamemaster would make a good addition to the Phoenyx? Can you give me a >constructive way to reject him if it isn't a good match? > Carl, I have to agree with your gut reaction, and vote in the negative for this one. His submission raises more questions than it answers, and leaves me feeling very wary at bringing him in. He mentions no other gaming experience than six months in the Allerian Empire along with his AGM'ing there. His GM also canned him because he "overstepped the boundaries too much." This in itself does not bode well for a group that prides itself on allowing only the best games to join its membership. I'm almost tempted to see if I can track down his old GM and find out what exactly was wrong with him. It does seem like he's put a great deal of effort into his campaign setting, having created a 300 page book for it. However, other than a very basic description of the setting, he tells us very little about the game itself. What system is he going to use to run it? What's the story hook to pull the characters into his world? What's he going to do when the characters--as they will--foul up his detailed history? He may become a good GM. He probably needs just a little more seasoning as a player and an AGM. However, until then, I don't think we should let him come on board. Steve PostCon -- -------------------------------------------------------------- Listowner tools are found at http://www.phoenyx.net/listowners
On Thu, 4 Jan 2001, Carl Cravens wrote:
> My gut reaction to this is negative. Can anybody tell me why this game and
> gamemaster would make a good addition to the Phoenyx? Can you give me a
> constructive way to reject him if it isn't a good match?
>
> > On Thu Jan 4 04:51:44 2001,
> > The following information was submitted:
> > Host: 63.21.37.230
> > name = Juan C de Paz
> > submit_by = west_east@msn.com
> > id = Langrisserwar@phoenyx.net
> > title = Continent of Shadow and Fire
> > blurb = In the world of Europa the continent of Vandros is gearing
> > for war. Fifty nations are getting ready for a war to the
> > knife. And no one knows why. On the stars is written that
> > once the war starts it shall last for a hundred years.
> > From the ashes of Vandros shall arise a ruler, the
> > Langrisser, who shall rule in power and glory for ten
> > thousand years. But it isn't written if the Langrisser
> > will be a ruler for good or evil...
> > web =
> > genre = Fantasy
> > system = Rpg pbem. Dayly postings by me and other GMs
> > about = I have been an assistant GM in the Allerian Empire pbem for
> > a couple of months but I overstepped the boundaries too
> > much. My GM called me the bloodiest AGM in the game. I
> > was very realistic and rough on the players, but I always
> > let them alive and rewarded them well for their
> > sufferings. I played in the Allerian Empire for some six
> > months previous to becoming an AGM.
> >
> > I am interested in starting a game but I have little skill
> > with computers. I have written a three hundred page book
> > about the continent of Vandros and the Langrisser War. I
> > have dozens of characters that could be NPCs or PCs,
> > several maps and enough time to be a GM. I am open to
> > suggestions and flexible. I want to bring my world to
> > life. I need help with the technical part.
Ummm. At least he's honest. And reasonably literate.
Somehow the combination of "bloodiest AGM in the game" and "war to the
knife" do not, in my mind, make for a *good* combination.
Some parts of what he wrote have problems ("let" for "left", the line
"On the stars. . . .", etc.), and the background is, IMHO, far too
sketchy.
Overall, it's not a game concept that would interest me. And I'd be
worried that it might "taint" my game (Rumors of War) by association.
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> > My gut reaction to this is negative. Can anybody tell me why this game
and
> > gamemaster would make a good addition to the Phoenyx? Can you give me a
> > constructive way to reject him if it isn't a good match?
>
> Overall, it's not a game concept that would interest me. And I'd be
> worried that it might "taint" my game (Rumors of War) by association.
Does the Phoenyx have a policy of violence? I worry about an AGM who has
"overstepped the boundaries too much". Are we letting ourselves in for a
slasher epic? Does anyone know the Allerian Empire game?
He seems to know a lot about the world and the war. He doesn't mention
anything about the characters or their place in society. Has he thought this
through? Can we say that his idea is unworkable as it stands?
If all else fails, we could always turn him down on the grounds that his
idea (as it stands) is too similar to an existing Phoenyx game...
Steve
Gone crazy, be back later, leave message.
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On Thu, 4 Jan 2001, Silk.Kendiron wrote: > > > My gut reaction to this is negative. Can anybody tell me why > > > this game and gamemaster would make a good addition to the > > > Phoenyx? Can you give me a constructive way to reject him if it > > > isn't a good match? > > Overall, it's not a game concept that would interest me. And I'd > > be worried that it might "taint" my game (Rumors of War) by > > association. > Does the Phoenyx have a policy of violence? I worry about an AGM who > has "overstepped the boundaries too much". Are we letting ourselves > in for a slasher epic? Does anyone know the Allerian Empire game? > He seems to know a lot about the world and the war. He doesn't > mention anything about the characters or their place in society. Has > he thought this through? Can we say that his idea is unworkable as > it stands? > If all else fails, we could always turn him down on the grounds > that his idea (as it stands) is too similar to an existing Phoenyx > game... The thing is, I can't think of anything on Phoenyx that is even close, unless you mean Celandra (sp?). Rumors of War is not about a war, it's about the people looking at an immanent war (and trying to avert at least part of it). At least, that's what I hope it is. The fact that it is set on an Imperial Navy ship is just one part of the aspect of trying to *prevent* war. -- -------------------------------------------------------------- Listowner tools are found at http://www.phoenyx.net/listowners
On Thu, 4 Jan 2001, Michael Feldhusen wrote: > > He seems to know a lot about the world and the war. He doesn't > > mention anything about the characters or their place in society. Has > > he thought this through? Can we say that his idea is unworkable as > > it stands? Yes, the game itself was very sketchy. The campaign (as stated) sounds like a free-for-all-hack-and-slash (ie. something we might want to reject), but on the other hand, if he's written 300-page document on the world it can't really be all just weapon statistics and monsters (or - a horrible thought - can it?). On the bonus side he claims to have the time, wants to bring the world alive, and has been a AGM (so has some experience and was good enough to begin with to be *start* as a AGM in the first place). On the negative side, (apart from all that has been said) it's unclear what he means by saying 'need help with the technical stuff'. At least I would require to see a more detailed description with notes on game system, campaign tone and focus, timerange (both in-character and real-time) etc. to evaluate whether the GM really knows what he's about to do. > > If all else fails, we could always turn him down on the grounds > > that his idea (as it stands) is too similar to an existing Phoenyx > > game... > > The thing is, I can't think of anything on Phoenyx that is even close, > unless you mean Celandra (sp?). Celandra is about playing societies, and I think this is more about playing characters in the chaos created by a 50-sided continent-wide conflict (with an evil overlord or two thrown in for good measure). But it's hard to know with the description being so sketchy. juuso -- -------------------------------------------------------------- Listowner tools are found at http://www.phoenyx.net/listowners
> The thing is, I can't think of anything on Phoenyx that is even close, > unless you mean Celandra (sp?). Rumors of War is not about a war, > it's about the people looking at an immanent war (and trying to avert > at least part of it). At least, that's what I hope it is. It's moments like this that I realise just how little I know about the Phoenyx. *shakes head* Apart from my game, Red Snow, and Bohavia (if it's still running?) I can name about...about...maybe...three other games. Author's tell wanna-bes to 'read, read, read' and I guess PBeM-GMs should do the same. After all, if I don't, I'm only going to end up making all the usual mistakes, right? Can anyone recommend a good game for me to lurk on? Anything particularly well-written or definitive in the GM's genre of choice? Silk Kendiron GM and Webmaster Red Snow - They attack at nightfall http://www.geocities.com/silk_kendiron/red_snow.htm No wife can endure a gambling husband, unless he is a steady winner. -- Lord Thomas Robert Dewar -- -------------------------------------------------------------- Listowner tools are found at http://www.phoenyx.net/listowners
On Mon, 8 Jan 2001, Silk.Kendiron wrote: > Author's tell wanna-bes to 'read, read, read' and I guess PBeM-GMs > should do the same. After all, if I don't, I'm only going to end up > making all the usual mistakes, right? Can anyone recommend a good game > for me to lurk on? Go read the Westwind archives... either Savannah or Mulki. Or maybe you shouldn't... these games intimidate me. They might not be such a great example because they had such synergy between players at GMs at times, with the players improvising NPC responses. http://www.phoenyx.net/westwind/ Off the top of my head, I can't name any games that are active and hit what I consider the pinnacle of PBeM roleplaying. (Mostly because I don't follow the games myself and I'm only just starting to play in one.) -- -------------------------------------------------------------- Listowner tools are found at http://www.phoenyx.net/listowners
On 8 Jan 01, at 16:55, Carl D Cravens wrote: > Go read the Westwind archives... either Savannah or Mulki. Or maybe > you shouldn't... these games intimidate me. They might not be such a > great example because they had such synergy between players at GMs at > times, with the players improvising NPC responses. Those games intimidate /me/. -- -------------------------------------------------------------- Listowner tools are found at http://www.phoenyx.net/listowners
On Mon, 8 Jan 2001, Silk.Kendiron wrote: > > The thing is, I can't think of anything on Phoenyx that is even close, > > unless you mean Celandra (sp?). Rumors of War is not about a war, > > it's about the people looking at an immanent war (and trying to avert > > at least part of it). At least, that's what I hope it is. > > It's moments like this that I realise just how little I know about the > Phoenyx. *shakes head* Apart from my game, Red Snow, and Bohavia (if it's > still running?) I can name about...about...maybe...three other games. > Author's tell wanna-bes to 'read, read, read' and I guess PBeM-GMs should do > the same. After all, if I don't, I'm only going to end up making all the > usual > mistakes, right? Can anyone recommend a good game for me to lurk on? > Anything particularly well-written or definitive in the GM's genre of > choice? Well, you're welcome to lurk on Rumors, but it's not going yet. I'm stuggling to get the critical mass of characters created and in place. (I've now got two more positions assigned. This is progress.) You could take a look at the Westwind archives for how to plot and run a game (or games, actually) that involves a lot of independent characters. Just don't look at it as an example of a well-paced, fast-moving game. Not to pick (too much) on Jason and Jeff, but those games have really suffered from having GMs who have too little time. I haven't been lurking in Lynn's Cardassian (7th Order) game lately (lately being since about six months after it started, I've just re-lurked), but it seems a good model for running that sort of "distributed" game. And of course, I'm now realizing that *I* don't have a good idea of what games are running on Phoenyx. I'll have to go check and see what looks interesting. -- -------------------------------------------------------------- Listowner tools are found at http://www.phoenyx.net/listowners
