> Question: Would an automated response indicating that the > request has been > received, what the application process flow is, etc. and introducing > yourself as the category editor be a good deal? I expect the > editors to > end up having a public profile and getting to know their > GM's, at least a > little bit. This might be a good place to get started and > the user won't > see his application disappear into a black hole. I think this would be a really good idea! Of course, I've probably just given myself the job of writing this auto-response letter :)... .which I don't mind, but a quick overview on the application process would be a good thing :) Let me see IIRC: 1. Application received 2. Application reviewed 3. If game sounds ok, check web links, else get more/better info 4. If web links ok, check game concept, else get web links fixed 5. If game concept ok,... this is where I lost the process -- -------------------------------------------------------------- Listowner tools are found at http://www.phoenyx.net/listowners
On Thu, 31 May 2001, Martin Hanley wrote: > I think this would be a really good idea! Of course, I've probably just > given myself the job of writing this auto-response letter :)... .which I > don't mind, but a quick overview on the application process would be a good > thing :) > Let me see IIRC: > 1. Application received > 2. Application reviewed > 3. If game sounds ok, check web links, else get more/better info > 4. If web links ok, check game concept, else get web links fixed > 5. If game concept ok,... this is where I lost the process The editor is the front-line of the application process. You're going to make a decision on most of the games yourself, generally to reject them. Rarely, you'll approve one on your own. If you've decided that a game might be worth accepting, but aren't sure, the proposal gets forwarded to the peer review group (listowners+prospects@phoenyx.net). Checking the web links ought to happen before sending for peer review... peer review happens after you've gathered all information. Once in awhile the review group will ask for more, but the goal is to have enough that they won't have to. In fact, Karen and I were discussing this today... we don't think the editor should have to go to a web site to evaluate the game. Everything we need should be handed to us in a concise manner. (I once had a prospect email me a megabyte PDF of the previous two years of his game written up in novel form... like a hundred pages.) This is something that'll have to go on the application instructions... complete but concise, the editor shouldn't have to wade through lots of junk to figure things out. So I'm going to call it this... 1) Application received, the applicant gets an auto-response thanking him for his application and explaining the review process 2) Applicaiton initially reviewed by editor (max 2 days) a) Editor asks for more information -or- b) Editor accepts/rejects immediately 3) Editor forwards application and requested info to the peer review group, applicant notified of application status 4) Peer review responds within three days 5) Editor makes final decision to accept/reject based on peer review a) Sends friendly rejection letter, explaining why rejected -or- b) Editor requests list to be set up, mails instructions to new GM Notice something implicit up there... I'm looking for a five-day turn-around maximum, and that's including a three-day peer review. If you, as editors, think that five days is too much pressure on your schedule, we need to set a time frame that we can all agree with. I certainly have fallen short here myself, but I never set a standard for myself either. -- -------------------------------------------------------------- Listowner tools are found at http://www.phoenyx.net/listowners
On Sun, 3 Jun 2001, raven@phoenyx.net wrote: [Lots snipped] > Notice something implicit up there... I'm looking for a five-day > turn-around maximum, and that's including a three-day peer review. > If you, as editors, think that five days is too much pressure on > your schedule, we need to set a time frame that we can all agree > with. I certainly have fallen short here myself, but I never set a > standard for myself either. Just as a note, people who expect to be out of touch for a while (more than a day probably) should let the rest of us know, so coverage can be arranged. Otherwise, this schedule cannot be met. -- -------------------------------------------------------------- Listowner tools are found at http://www.phoenyx.net/listowners
On Mon, 4 Jun 2001, Michael Feldhusen wrote: > Just as a note, people who expect to be out of touch for a while (more > than a day probably) should let the rest of us know, so coverage can > be arranged. Otherwise, this schedule cannot be met. Very true. Unless I'm gone, I can always back you up, but right now I'm trying to keep my hand out of things except to watch and guide... you guys won't get the hang of things if I keep jumping in and "helping" before you can get to it. BTW: You guys can ignore _incoming. That's the general "help@phoenyx.net" dumping ground and pretty much everything there is for Karen or I. If it's not, I'll... probably dump it in your game1 folder, I guess, since you'll get notified automatically that way. If having only one "personal" folder for your category and sharing the followup and inactive folders is a pain, we can look at creating new folders. We're in an exploratory mode right now. I'm just trying to avoid creating new folders... there are already 15 in the list. I've already got a personal jbug setup to track my eBay auctions... it's fairly simple, except right now I have to clone all the external scripts that I use. (I should rewrite those to be generic and take the queue directory off the command line.) If it comes down to it, I can separate out the editor function and Karen and my "support" functions (especially because our todo folders are pretty internal, though I'd like you guys to be able to dump stuff in them) into a separate jbug queue directory to keep things "cleaner". Or if you don't mind 30 items on the drop-down menus and large lists, we can just add more folders as we need them. -- -------------------------------------------------------------- Listowner tools are found at http://www.phoenyx.net/listowners
On Tue, 5 Jun 2001, raven@phoenyx.net wrote: > On Mon, 4 Jun 2001, Michael Feldhusen wrote: > > Just as a note, people who expect to be out of touch for a while (more > > than a day probably) should let the rest of us know, so coverage can > > be arranged. Otherwise, this schedule cannot be met. > Very true. > Unless I'm gone, I can always back you up, but right now I'm trying to > keep my hand out of things except to watch and guide... you guys won't get > the hang of things if I keep jumping in and "helping" before you can get > to it. But that means that we need to know if you're gone as well, so we can make sure that we *don't* drop the ball. Can you make it so that if anything doesn't get acted on in the normal amount of time, we *all* get notified? That should help out in those case were someone "falls off the face of the earth" for a while. > BTW: You guys can ignore _incoming. That's the general > "help@phoenyx.net" dumping ground and pretty much everything there > is for Karen or I. If it's not, I'll... probably dump it in your > game1 folder, I guess, since you'll get notified automatically that > way. I have no problem with looking at and cleaning out trash (spam) if there happens to be some (I've done so a couple of times now already anyway, and dutifully logged it and why :-) ), or moving things along to the appropriate place if I can tell what that would be. > If having only one "personal" folder for your category and sharing the > followup and inactive folders is a pain, we can look at creating new > folders. We're in an exploratory mode right now. I'm just trying to > avoid creating new folders... there are already 15 in the list. I don't see a problem with sharing the followup and inactive folders, there shouldn't be that much stuff in them and the logs for everything should indicate who is handling them. > I've already got a personal jbug setup to track my eBay > auctions... it's fairly simple, except right now I have to clone all > the external scripts that I use. (I should rewrite those to be > generic and take the queue directory off the command line.) If it > comes down to it, I can separate out the editor function and Karen > and my "support" functions (especially because our todo folders are > pretty internal, though I'd like you guys to be able to dump stuff > in them) into a separate jbug queue directory to keep things > "cleaner". > Or if you don't mind 30 items on the drop-down menus and large > lists, we can just add more folders as we need them. Let's just say that 30 item drop-downs are not my "ideal". -- -------------------------------------------------------------- Listowner tools are found at http://www.phoenyx.net/listowners
Just to let you all know, I will be gone next week. I'm going to be at Boy Scout Summer Camp. And, 30 folders, would be a Bad Thing :) A little too much to sift through, I would say. Martin -- -------------------------------------------------------------- Listowner tools are found at http://www.phoenyx.net/listowners
On Tue, 5 Jun 2001, Michael Feldhusen wrote: > But that means that we need to know if you're gone as well, so we can > make sure that we *don't* drop the ball. Not a problem. But I'm never "gone"... I only go on vacation to my mother-in-law's and I monitor everything from there. (I need to take a real vacation. Sigh.) > Can you make it so that if anything doesn't get acted on in the normal > amount of time, we *all* get notified? That should help out in those > case were someone "falls off the face of the earth" for a while. Hum. I'm on all the notification lists, so I see it all anyway and the only time something would fall through the cracks is if I'm not paying attention or out of town. I'll think about this, but it might not be worth the trouble to implement. > I have no problem with looking at and cleaning out trash (spam) if > there happens to be some (I've done so a couple of times now already > anyway, and dutifully logged it and why :-) ), or moving things along > to the appropriate place if I can tell what that would be. I've implemented a simple filter that doesn't accept anything without an expected address in the To: line. No spam's gotten through yet, so that's been kind of nice. > Let's just say that 30 item drop-downs are not my "ideal". Me either. If we went to that, I'd rename z_trash to _trash, becasue that's the folder I select multiple times the most. (I suppose if I made Karen handle all of the inactivity notices, many of which are bogus because they're for testlist or other lists we expect to be inactive, she might get that ignore_this_lists_activity feature written. I suppose I could just write a mail filter to discard the reports I don't want.) -- -------------------------------------------------------------- Listowner tools are found at http://www.phoenyx.net/listowners
