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KarenCravens
Karen Cravens

Sun

Jun 3
2001

05:49Z

Tag line

Among other things, the Phoenyx needs a tag line.

Slashdot is "News For Nerds: Stuff That Matters," Heat.Net is 
"Fast, free online gaming," Mplayer.net is "Come for the games, 
stay for the party," Amazon is "Earth's biggest selection," 
Microsoft is "All your base are belong to us." (Well, okay, I made 
the last one up.)

It's not *exactly* a slogan, more of a subtitle. We've sort of had 
"internet roleplaying," but that's not really very catchy, and it's not 
very consistent (sometimes it's been "online roleplaying"). I 
suggested stealing SouthWind's unofficial "We suck less," but Carl 
doesn't agree.

Suggestions?

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MatthewToia
Matthew Toia

Sun

Jun 3
2001

16:28Z

Tag line

Hmm how bout: "More Bang for Your d20"
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TimHall
Tim Hall

Sun

Jun 3
2001

17:54Z

Tag line

Somebody has set up us the PBeM?

Well, perhaps not...
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CarlCravens
Carl D Cravens

Mon

Jun 4
2001

01:54Z

Tag line

On Sat, 2 Jun 2001, Karen Cravens wrote:

> It's not *exactly* a slogan, more of a subtitle. We've sort of had
> "internet roleplaying," but that's not really very catchy, and it's not
> very consistent (sometimes it's been "online roleplaying"). I
> suggested stealing SouthWind's unofficial "We suck less," but Carl
> doesn't agree.

RPGnet's tagline is "The Inside Scoop on Gaming".

I was thinking "The Best in Online Roleplaying", but "best" is a tall
order to live up to.  Especially when "online roleplaying" is kind of
broad and we're pretty much "pbem roleplaying".  I don't want to use
"pbem" though 'cause I don't want to limit us to just PBeM.

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MJasonKnight
M. Jason Knight

Wed

Jun 6
2001

05:00Z

Tag line

On 3 Jun 01, at 19:54, raven@phoenyx.net wrote:

> I was thinking "The Best in Online Roleplaying", but "best" is a tall
> order to live up to.  Especially when "online roleplaying" is kind of
> broad and we're pretty much "pbem roleplaying".  I don't want to use
> "pbem" though 'cause I don't want to limit us to just PBeM.

A number of game publishers are avoiding the term "roleplaying" as 
well. Given that "online roleplaying" all too often implies the prefix 
"massively multiplayer" which is a different beast, this may bear 
thinking on.


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CarlCravens
Carl D Cravens

Wed

Jun 6
2001

05:09Z

Tag line

On Tue, 5 Jun 2001, M. Jason Knight wrote:

> A number of game publishers are avoiding the term "roleplaying" as

Considering that "roleplaying" seems to be more and more a term for
"acting out sex fantasies", I'm inclined to avoid it in a tagline as well.
But "gaming" often means video games, especially where the internet is
concerned.

Is the current term "adventure game"?

> well. Given that "online roleplaying" all too often implies the prefix
> "massively multiplayer" which is a different beast, this may bear

We can do massivly multiplayer.  You want to GM it? :)

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MikeF
Mike Feldhusen

Wed

Jun 6
2001

16:13Z

Tag line

On Tue, 5 Jun 2001, raven@phoenyx.net wrote:

> On Tue, 5 Jun 2001, M. Jason Knight wrote:

> > A number of game publishers are avoiding the term "roleplaying" as

> Considering that "roleplaying" seems to be more and more a term for
> "acting out sex fantasies", I'm inclined to avoid it in a tagline as
> well.

So specifically "Adult" games are OUT?  :-)

> But "gaming" often means video games, especially where the internet is
> concerned.

Well, the graphics aren't the best, and the refresh rate *sucks*,
but. . . .

> Is the current term "adventure game"?

> > well. Given that "online roleplaying" all too often implies the
> > prefix "massively multiplayer" which is a different beast, this
> > may bear

> We can do massivly multiplayer.  You want to GM it? :)

Well it's someone else's turn, I've already done it.  Although Rumors
*could* turn into it again, but Traveller players seem a little
thinner on the ground than Star Trek fans.

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BruceHumphrey
Bruce Humphrey

Wed

Jun 6
2001

16:26Z

Tag line

> 
> 
>>> A number of game publishers are avoiding the term "roleplaying" as
>> 
>> Considering that "roleplaying" seems to be more and more a term for
>> "acting out sex fantasies", I'm inclined to avoid it in a tagline as
>> well.
> 
> 
> So specifically "Adult" games are OUT?  :-)
> 
>> But "gaming" often means video games, especially where the internet is
>> concerned.
> 
> 
> Well, the graphics aren't the best, and the refresh rate *sucks*,
> but. . . .
> 
>> Is the current term "adventure game"?
> 
>>> well. Given that "online roleplaying" all too often implies the
>>> prefix "massively multiplayer" which is a different beast, this
>>> may bear
>> 
>> We can do massivly multiplayer.  You want to GM it? :)
> 
Well, "Interactive fiction" has suplanted adventure game for the old 
adventure games, so...
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TimHall
Tim Hall

Wed

Jun 6
2001

18:18Z

Tag line

Michael Feldhusen wrote:

>On Tue, 5 Jun 2001, raven@phoenyx.net wrote:
>
>
>> Considering that "roleplaying" seems to be more and more a term for
>> "acting out sex fantasies", I'm inclined to avoid it in a tagline as
>> well.
>
>So specifically "Adult" games are OUT?  :-)

Ick. That brings back some bad memories of events a year ago on an
online service owned by AOL
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MikeF
Mike Feldhusen

Wed

Jun 6
2001

18:55Z

Tag line

On Wed, 6 Jun 2001, Tim Hall wrote:

> Michael Feldhusen wrote:

> >On Tue, 5 Jun 2001, raven@phoenyx.net wrote:

> >> Considering that "roleplaying" seems to be more and more a term
> >> for "acting out sex fantasies", I'm inclined to avoid it in a
> >> tagline as well.

> >So specifically "Adult" games are OUT?  :-)

> Ick. That brings back some bad memories of events a year ago on an
> online service owned by AOL

I remember that.

Perhaps in this case, they should be IN (the closet).  :-)

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CarlCravens
Carl D Cravens

Wed

Jun 6
2001

19:09Z

Tag line

On Wed, 6 Jun 2001, Tim Hall wrote:

> Ick. That brings back some bad memories of events a year ago on an
> online service owned by AOL

I was just reading your summary of what happened the other day.  I really
don't get why they thought roleplaying games belonged in the adult section
(as comments management made seemed to indicate that they understood what
roleplaying games were), and then I didn't understand their amazement that
some of you were annoyed at having folks come into your groups
specifically looking for sexual material.

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TimHall
Tim Hall

Wed

Jun 6
2001

20:21Z

The unpleasant events of a year ago (Was: Tag Line)

raven@phoenyx.net wrote:

>I was just reading your summary of what happened the other day.  I really
>don't get why they thought roleplaying games belonged in the adult section
>(as comments management made seemed to indicate that they understood what
>roleplaying games were), and then I didn't understand their amazement that
>some of you were annoyed at having folks come into your groups
>specifically looking for sexual material.

Probably had something to do with forum revenue.  The forum management
had the choice of remaining a closed forum within Compu$erve's adult
channel and getting a percentage of Compu$erve, membership fees, or
being an open forum and depending on banner ad revenue.

I have some theories about what happened.  One was that AOL moved the
goalposts after the forum moved and insisted that all forums on the
adult channel *had* to have sex-based content.  The other was the
forum management wanted to start a porn-rpg forum and wanted to used
the existing membership to jump-start it, expecting to have recruited
a new audience of pervs by the time most of the existing membership
had quit in disgust.  Or perhaps she really did think she could have
it both ways.

Whichever it was, somebody was lied to big time.  And many people
still feel very bitter about what happened even after a year.

There are probably only one or two people that know the whole truth,
and they're not telling.
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JonathanWalton
Jonathan Walton

Mon

Jun 4
2001

02:14Z

Tag line

"The best games in life are free."

Jonathan (DeusX)

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AudreyAndKevinTi
Audrey and Kevin Tisserand

Mon

Jun 4
2001

04:56Z

Tag line

> "The best games in life are free."

I tried to think of something better, but couldn't.  I say go with this one.
Unless it's been used before - somehow it sounds vaguely familiar, but I
can't place it, so it probably is original.

Kevin

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ThomDenholm
thom denholm

Mon

Jun 4
2001

07:40Z

Tag line

At 09:56 PM 6/3/01, you wrote:
> > "The best games in life are free."
>
>I tried to think of something better, but couldn't.  I say go with this one.
>Unless it's been used before - somehow it sounds vaguely familiar, but I
>can't place it, so it probably is original.

I concur.  I've only heard the original "the best things in life..."

Another semi-serious idea - take off on popular movies (and therefore 
revolving taglines).
How does "Lord of the Games" or "The Fellowship of the Game" grab anyone?

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MJasonKnight
M. Jason Knight

Wed

Jun 6
2001

05:02Z

Tag line

On 4 Jun 01, at 1:40, thom wrote:

> Another semi-serious idea - take off on popular movies (and therefore
> revolving taglines). How does "Lord of the Games" or "The Fellowship
> of the Game" grab anyone?

It may say something about my cultural tastes, but "Lord of the 
Games" makes me think of Michael Flatley, which it turn makes 
me want to run screaming.

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MikeF
Mike Feldhusen

Wed

Jun 6
2001

16:01Z

Tag line

On Tue, 5 Jun 2001, M. Jason Knight wrote:

> On 4 Jun 01, at 1:40, thom wrote:
> 
> > Another semi-serious idea - take off on popular movies (and therefore
> > revolving taglines). How does "Lord of the Games" or "The Fellowship
> > of the Game" grab anyone?

> It may say something about my cultural tastes, but "Lord of the 
> Games" makes me think of Michael Flatley, which it turn makes 
> me want to run screaming.

That was my thought, but I figured it was only me and so I kept quiet.

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MJasonKnight
M. Jason Knight

Mon

Jun 4
2001

04:33Z

Tag line

On 2 Jun 01, at 23:49, Karen Cravens wrote:

> Among other things, the Phoenyx needs a tag line.
> Suggestions?

"All Your Base Are Belong To Earth's Biggest Selection of Fast, 
Free Online Gaming For Nerds: Stay For The Party That Matters,"


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CarlCravens
Carl D Cravens

Mon

Jun 4
2001

14:24Z

Tag line

On Sun, 3 Jun 2001, M. Jason Knight wrote:

> "All Your Base Are Belong To Earth's Biggest Selection of Fast,
> Free Online Gaming For Nerds: Stay For The Party That Matters,"

Yes!  Yes! that's it!  Clear, concise, memorable, and most importantly,
easy to say out-loud in casual conversation with cow-orkers.

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StevenHill
Steven Hill

Mon

Jun 4
2001

18:53Z

Tag line

>
>On Sun, 3 Jun 2001, M. Jason Knight wrote:
>
> > "All Your Base Are Belong To Earth's Biggest Selection of Fast,
> > Free Online Gaming For Nerds: Stay For The Party That Matters,"
>
>Yes!  Yes! that's it!  Clear, concise, memorable, and most importantly,
>easy to say out-loud in casual conversation with cow-orkers.


How about something like....

Phoenix Internet Roleplaying - Where the Imagination is Reborn.


Just an idea that plays on the phoenix rebirth idea.

Comments, questions, insults?

:-)

Steve
PostCon
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MikeF
Mike Feldhusen

Tue

Jun 5
2001

03:15Z

Tag line

On Mon, 4 Jun 2001, asher-dm@home.com wrote:

> >On Sun, 3 Jun 2001, M. Jason Knight wrote:

> > > "All Your Base Are Belong To Earth's Biggest Selection of Fast,
> > > Free Online Gaming For Nerds: Stay For The Party That Matters,"

> >Yes!  Yes! that's it!  Clear, concise, memorable, and most
> >importantly, easy to say out-loud in casual conversation with
> >cow-orkers.

> How about something like....

> Phoenix Internet Roleplaying - Where the Imagination is Reborn.

> Just an idea that plays on the phoenix rebirth idea.

> Comments, questions, insults?

I've been thinking about this one since I saw it earlier today and I
have to say that I like it.  It *does* play off the Phoenyx name (it
should be spelled correctly but that's minor nit) and isn't tied to
PBeM either.

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AudreyAndKevinTi
Audrey and Kevin Tisserand

Tue

Jun 5
2001

03:47Z

Tag line

> > How about something like....
>
> > Phoenix Internet Roleplaying - Where the Imagination is Reborn.

> I've been thinking about this one since I saw it earlier today and I
> have to say that I like it.  It *does* play off the Phoenyx name (it
> should be spelled correctly but that's minor nit) and isn't tied to
> PBeM either.

Yes, this one is very good too.  I like the play on Phoenyx, and it sounds
like a nice "elevated" concept.  But it doesn't really say anything
concrete.  I still vote for "The best games in life are free."  But I
wouldn't be upset if this one were chosen instead.

Kevin

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CarlCravens
Carl D Cravens

Tue

Jun 5
2001

04:27Z

Tag line

On Mon, 4 Jun 2001, Audrey and Kevin Tisserand wrote:

> I still vote for "The best games in life are free."  But I
> wouldn't be upset if this one were chosen instead.

But most of our competition is free as well... "free" doesn't say what the
Phoenyx is really about, because the Phoenyx is about being "the best
roleplaying games online".  But I have that issue with actually putting
"best" in the tagline because it's a very high standard for others to hold
you to.

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StevenHill
Steven Hill

Tue

Jun 5
2001

13:51Z

Tag line

>
>On Mon, 4 Jun 2001, asher-dm@home.com wrote:
>
> > >On Sun, 3 Jun 2001, M. Jason Knight wrote:
>
> > > > "All Your Base Are Belong To Earth's Biggest Selection of Fast,
> > > > Free Online Gaming For Nerds: Stay For The Party That Matters,"
>
> > >Yes!  Yes! that's it!  Clear, concise, memorable, and most
> > >importantly, easy to say out-loud in casual conversation with
> > >cow-orkers.
>
> > How about something like....
>
> > Phoenix Internet Roleplaying - Where the Imagination is Reborn.
>
> > Just an idea that plays on the phoenix rebirth idea.
>
> > Comments, questions, insults?
>
>I've been thinking about this one since I saw it earlier today and I
>have to say that I like it.  It *does* play off the Phoenyx name (it
>should be spelled correctly but that's minor nit) and isn't tied to
>PBeM either.


LOL!  I guess turnabout is fair play.  At my real world job, I am always 
sending things to Phoenix, AZ and have a tendency to spell it Phoenyx.  
Guess you can tell where my mind is when I am at work.


Steve
PostCon
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JonathanWalton
Jonathan Walton

Wed

Jun 6
2001

00:31Z

Tag line

> > I still vote for "The best games in life are free."  But I
> > wouldn't be upset if this one were chosen instead.
>
>But most of our competition is free as well... "free" doesn't say what the
>Phoenyx is really about, because the Phoenyx is about being "the best
>roleplaying games online".  But I have that issue with actually putting
>"best" in the tagline because it's a very high standard for others to hold
>you to.

Hmm ... "Some rather good (roleplaying) games in life are free (online)?"

Doesn't have the same ring to it somehow ...

So what kind of draw do we have if we can't claim to be the best?  We're 
the most diverse?  The most interesting?  I doubt those are true, 
either.  This "truth in advertising" really makes coming up with taglines 
hard.  After all, Microsoft's slogan isn't "bigger than Jesus" (though 
that's truer than it was when John Lennon said it).

Still, let's see ...

I like using the Phoenix/Phoenyx "rebirth" image, but I don't like "reborn 
imagination" because it implies that, elsewhere, imagination is dead.

"A rebirth for internet gaming"?

"online gaming reborn"?

Hmm ... I'll continue to think on it ...

Later.
Jonathan (DeusX)

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CarlCravens
Carl D Cravens

Tue

Jun 5
2001

16:44Z

The Phoenyx Name

On Mon, 4 Jun 2001, Michael Feldhusen wrote:

> It *does* play off the Phoenyx name (it should be spelled correctly
> but that's minor nit)

And an annoying one.  The Phoenyx got its name almost fifteen years ago,
long before internet-in-the-home was even dreamed of by the BBS fiends of
the day.  (Heck, I didn't even know what the Internet was back then.)
You didn't have to know the name of the place, you just had to know it's
phone number.

Unfortunately, "phoenix" is difficult for people to spell correctly to
start with, and we intentionally misspell it.  But what can we do?
Karen's talked about getting a second domain name... we'd be one of those
bi-polar-personality sites with a domain name that doesn't match its real
name.  And keeping phoenyx.net as well means users who never switch to the
new domain, give out the old domain to friends, never change web-page
links, and generally cause confusion.

We *could* change our name entirely... but we've got a bit of a reputation
and it'd almost be like starting over in a lot of ways.  *And* in this day
and age of .com's dropping like flies, I'd hate to give *any* impression
that we failed, were bought out, or otherwise have been affected by the
floundering net.economy.  (This is the biggest thing we have going for us
over the competition... we run on zero income. :)

So we're kind of stuck.  Our only hope is to make the Phoenyx so wildly
popular everyong on the net knows our name and how to spell it.

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TimHall
Tim Hall

Tue

Jun 5
2001

18:43Z

Tag line

asher-dm@home.com wrote:

>Phoenix Internet Roleplaying - Where the Imagination is Reborn.
>
>Just an idea that plays on the phoenix rebirth idea.

That's "Phoenyx Internet Roleplaying - Where Imaginatyon is Reborn"

Or is that too Gigaxian?
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MikeF
Mike Feldhusen

Tue

Jun 5
2001

18:47Z

Tag line

On Tue, 5 Jun 2001, Tim Hall wrote:

> asher-dm@home.com wrote:
> 
> >Phoenix Internet Roleplaying - Where the Imagination is Reborn.
> >
> >Just an idea that plays on the phoenix rebirth idea.
> 
> That's "Phoenyx Internet Roleplaying - Where Imaginatyon is Reborn"

Cute.  Not.

> Or is that too Gigaxian?

Ah, yeah.

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MikeF
Mike Feldhusen

Mon

Jun 4
2001

22:29Z

Tag line

On Sun, 3 Jun 2001, M. Jason Knight wrote:

> On 2 Jun 01, at 23:49, Karen Cravens wrote:

> > Among other things, the Phoenyx needs a tag line.
> > Suggestions?

> "All Your Base Are Belong To Earth's Biggest Selection of Fast, 
> Free Online Gaming For Nerds: Stay For The Party That Matters,"

That's almost as bad as my company's, though much more amusing.

To see how bad some of these can be, I present the official VenturCom
slogan:

VenturCom - Providing Software and Services that Enhance the 'Quality
of Service' of Windows Based Intelligent Connected Equipment (ICE)

And I have to live with that at the bottom of every email I send from
work.  We have proposed, with some level of acceptance from
management, that we change it to:

VenturCom - We make software, not slogans

VenturCom - We're not a VC firm or a .com, but we sound like both
rolled into one

or even

VenturCom - We suck at slogans, OK?


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KarenCravens
Karen Cravens

Mon

Jun 4
2001

23:25Z

Tag line

On 4 Jun 2001, at 16:29, Michael Feldhusen wrote:

> And I have to live with that at the bottom of every email I send from
> work.  We have proposed, with some level of acceptance from
> management, that we change it to:

It could be worse.  When I hired on at the bank, one of the cult-like 
features was that we were supposed to memorize the mission 
statement, and be prepared to recite it from memory.  I dunno 
about the rank and file, but in management meetings, the president 
would call for a volunteer to stand and deliver.  Rewards were free 
tickets to sporting events, which would have been cooler if Wichita 
had any significant sports teams.

No, I don't remember the mission statement.

(The bank's tag line was "That's how," though.  Don't *even* get me 
started on our marketing department.)
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MikeF
Mike Feldhusen

Mon

Jun 4
2001

23:41Z

Tag line

On Mon, 4 Jun 2001, Karen Cravens wrote:

> On 4 Jun 2001, at 16:29, Michael Feldhusen wrote:
> 
> > And I have to live with that at the bottom of every email I send from
> > work.  We have proposed, with some level of acceptance from
> > management, that we change it to:
> 
> It could be worse.  When I hired on at the bank, one of the cult-like 
> features was that we were supposed to memorize the mission 
> statement, and be prepared to recite it from memory.  I dunno 
> about the rank and file, but in management meetings, the president 
> would call for a volunteer to stand and deliver.  Rewards were free 
> tickets to sporting events, which would have been cooler if Wichita 
> had any significant sports teams.

My wife said that Forrester Research was like that.  The CEO could
bump into you in the hall and ask for the company mantra at any
time. Failure to recite was a "bad thing".

> No, I don't remember the mission statement.
> 
> (The bank's tag line was "That's how," though.  Don't *even* get me 
> started on our marketing department.)

OK, I've now laughed outloud at two personal emails while at work.  At
this rate, they'll be firing me shortly.

Of course, one might ask why I'm still here at 6:30 when I'm supposed
to go home at 5:00 *and* I had plans for the even.  I'm still trying
to think of a better answer than "Because someone needs to get this
sh*t done and no one else has been."

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MJasonKnight
M. Jason Knight

Wed

Jun 6
2001

05:15Z

Tag line

On 4 Jun 01, at 17:41, Michael Feldhusen wrote:

> My wife said that Forrester Research was like that.  The CEO could
> bump into you in the hall and ask for the company mantra at any time.
> Failure to recite was a "bad thing".

Did Y2K consulting at a company like that.  Badges looked similar enough to 
employee badges that a Ministry of Happiness lackey quizzed me once.  I 
gave her /my/ mission statement.  "Go placidly amidst the noise and waste, 
and remember what comfort there may be in owning a piece thereof. Avoid 
quiet and passive persons, unless you are in need of 
sleep. Rotate your tires..."  I was very unhappy that 
she didn't let me get to "...despite the changing fortunes 
of time, there is always a big future in computer 
maintenance."

> Of course, one might ask why I'm still here at 6:30 when I'm supposed
> to go home at 5:00 *and* I had plans for the even.  I'm still trying
> to think of a better answer than "Because someone needs to get this
> sh*t done and no one else has been."

"Reflect that whatever misfortune may be your lot, it 
could only be worse in Milwaukee."


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MikeF
Mike Feldhusen

Wed

Jun 6
2001

16:09Z

Tag line

On Tue, 5 Jun 2001, M. Jason Knight wrote:

> On 4 Jun 01, at 17:41, Michael Feldhusen wrote:

> > My wife said that Forrester Research was like that.  The CEO could
> > bump into you in the hall and ask for the company mantra at any
> > time.  Failure to recite was a "bad thing".

> Did Y2K consulting at a company like that.  Badges looked similar
> enough to employee badges that a Ministry of Happiness lackey
> quizzed me once.  I gave her /my/ mission statement.  "Go placidly
> amidst the noise and waste, and remember what comfort there may be
> in owning a piece thereof. Avoid quiet and passive persons, unless
> you are in need of sleep. Rotate your tires..."  I was very unhappy
> that she didn't let me get to "...despite the changing fortunes of
> time, there is always a big future in computer maintenance."

Amusing.  Right now, my personal mission statement is: "Do my job,
collect my pay and play with as many minds as I can without getting
fired."

> > Of course, one might ask why I'm still here at 6:30 when I'm
> > supposed to go home at 5:00 *and* I had plans for the even.  I'm
> > still trying to think of a better answer than "Because someone
> > needs to get this sh*t done and no one else has been."

> "Reflect that whatever misfortune may be your lot, it could only be
> worse in Milwaukee."

I've *been* to Milwaukee.  That isn't *necessarily* true.  Now if it
were Gary, Indiana, it would be.

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KarenCravens
Karen Cravens

Wed

Jun 6
2001

16:55Z

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On 6 Jun 2001, at 10:09, Michael Feldhusen wrote:

> Amusing.  Right now, my personal mission statement is: "Do my job,
> collect my pay and play with as many minds as I can without getting
> fired."

Whenever I'm writing up a resume (mine or someone else's), the 
"Objective" is always the thing I come up with last.  So I used "To 
make a whole pile of money" or variants thereof.

I figure one of these days I'm going to forget and send it out that 
way.
 
> I've *been* to Milwaukee.  That isn't *necessarily* true.  Now if it
> were Gary, Indiana, it would be.

Depends on which way the wind is blowing.

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ThomDenholm
thom denholm

Wed

Jun 6
2001

17:26Z

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OK, here's my serious tag-line stab.  Opinions?

Phoenyx.Net - Hosting a New Era of Role Playing Games

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JuhaVesanto
juuso

Wed

Jun 6
2001

17:38Z

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On Wed, 6 Jun 2001, thom denholm wrote:
> Phoenyx.Net - Hosting a New Era of Role Playing Games

add to that

  - Around since ...

errr... when was it? 80's? So while 'new era' sounds good
it somehow implies that this is something brand new. IMHO, of course.
And I like it otherwise. Well, here goes my $0.05: 

 Phoenyx.Net - Hosting Quality Games ... Since Before You Were Born

Couldn't resist. Anyway, a big effort around here goes to ensuring
the quality of the games, right from the start, so the term 'Quality'
might be a good element in the tag line.

juuso
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CarlCravens
Carl D Cravens

Wed

Jun 6
2001

18:00Z

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On Wed, 6 Jun 2001, Juuso Vesanto wrote:

>  Phoenyx.Net - Hosting Quality Games ... Since Before You Were Born

Oh, man... I almost spit Bit-o-Honey on my monitor!  It is so scary to
think that some of our players could be younger than the Phoenyx.

> Couldn't resist. Anyway, a big effort around here goes to ensuring
> the quality of the games, right from the start, so the term 'Quality'
> might be a good element in the tag line.

It's an important element.... "quality" or a word that implies it, like
"best".

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MikeF
Mike Feldhusen

Wed

Jun 6
2001

18:52Z

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On Wed, 6 Jun 2001, raven@phoenyx.net wrote:

> On Wed, 6 Jun 2001, Juuso Vesanto wrote:

> >  Phoenyx.Net - Hosting Quality Games ... Since Before You Were Born

> Oh, man... I almost spit Bit-o-Honey on my monitor!  It is so scary to
> think that some of our players could be younger than the Phoenyx.

OK, exactly how old is the Phoenyx?

I just went to the web page to see if there was an "About the Phoenyx"
link or something like that and couldn't find one.  You might want to
think about adding one that describes the system in more detail,
covering what is offered, how it is run and hardware/software used.
And you could tuck a history link there too.

As to age, I was somewhat disconcerted when one of my co-workers had
his 23rd birthday last week.  To think that I've been doing this same
basic job for about 1/3 of his life. . . .

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CarlCravens
Carl D Cravens

Wed

Jun 6
2001

19:19Z

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On Wed, 6 Jun 2001, Michael Feldhusen wrote:

> OK, exactly how old is the Phoenyx?

In its sixteenth year, counting its life as a dialup BBS.  (And our
purpose is much the same now as it was then.)  I've had proposals from
*gamemasters* younger than that.

> I just went to the web page to see if there was an "About the Phoenyx"
> link or something like that and couldn't find one.

That'll be part of our "new Phoenyx" as we get things underway.  A
community needs a sense of history, and telling people what our roots are
is part of that.

The other thing we're going to do (in the "About" category) is a "new
users start here" button.  A guided tour, a road map, something that'll
show visitors exactly what we are and what we do.

> You might want to think about adding one that describes the system in
> more detail, covering what is offered, how it is run and
> hardware/software used.

I think talking about the platform is a bit counter-productive.... people
might not be very impressed finding out the Phoenyx runs on a single
PII/400 with 192M of RAM over a DSL connection. :)  Users used to hearing
about level-loaded server farms with gigabit pipes are going to think
we're inadequate or something.

(Really, I'm kind of proud of how little hardware a service like this can
be run on.  But the average user doesn't see it from my point of view.)

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KarenCravens
Karen Cravens

Wed

Jun 6
2001

21:18Z

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On 6 Jun 2001, at 12:52, Michael Feldhusen wrote:

> OK, exactly how old is the Phoenyx?

December, 1985 was its earliest incarnation, as a private BBS for a 
Traveller game.  It opened to the public sometime in early '86.  We 
sort of arbitrarily set April 1 as the "birthday" since that's also the 
date we made one of our transitions... off RemoteAccess, I think it 
was.

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JonathanWalton
Jonathan Walton

Wed

Jun 6
2001

23:39Z

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> > OK, exactly how old is the Phoenyx?
>
>December, 1985 was its earliest incarnation, as a private BBS for a
>Traveller game.

Hmm ... I was 3 years old then ...

You mean they actually had computers way back in the day? :)

>"The Phoenyx might be the best roleplaying site on the net."

Beautiful.  I don't know that it works for the Phoenyx, but I really like 
the idea.

Here's some more I've come up with.  Obviously, all of them aren't equally 
serious.

"Roleplaying quality, not quantity"
"Roleplaying without the sex!"
"Giving you the bird"
"Flaming poultry at it's best"
"Quality Internet Roleplaying"
"A roleplaying community"
"THE roleplaying community online"

Hey, can't we just set up some kind of random "slogan box" on the page and 
stick in everything that we've come up with?  People might come to the page 
and keep hitting "refresh" just to cycle through and look at the slogans.

Just a thought.
Jonathan


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