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CarlCravens
Carl D Cravens

Mon

Jun 4
2001

03:16Z

The Future of the Phoenyx

In the past few months, Karen and I have come to a realization that we
can't manage the Phoenyx alone.  Programming alone could be a full-time
job and Karen's got less time than ever for it.  (Firehawk 2.0 development
is much slower than expected.  One never knows how a child will affect
your life.  And Nathan's going to be a year old on the 20th, BTW.)

Anyway, we've been doing a lot of thinking, talking and brainstorming.
Topics like just what is the Phoenyx trying to accomplish, how do we
measure success and failure, what level of quality are we satisfied with,
etc.  We've seen competition creep up on us... and we don't like it.  We
want to be the best that online roleplaying has to offer.

We've got a lot of ideas.  And we're a bit confused about where to go in
some areas.  So many things to do, so few people to do them.  We're still
in an exploratory phase, trying to figure out how to best manage our core
offering, to build a solid service and expand our reptuation.

Karen and I have decided to have weekly meetings concerning managing the
Phoenyx.  We're going to have them in the MOO (chat server) so we can
record our conversations and so others can join in.  If you're interested
in the future of the Phoenyx, and we hope you are since you're the core of
our "business", we'd like you to join us.  We're meeting every Wednesday
at 8:30 PM CDT (Nathan goes to bed at 8:00 :) and I don't expect the
meeting to last more than an hour-and-a-half or so.

This week we're going to meet at 9:30 instead of 8:30 because we're
involved in Vacation Bible School all week.  After that it'll be 8:30.

I'll try to have an agenda posted before then.

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MikeF
Mike Feldhusen

Mon

Jun 4
2001

22:13Z

The Future of the Phoenyx

On Sun, 3 Jun 2001, raven@phoenyx.net wrote:

> In the past few months, Karen and I have come to a realization that we
> can't manage the Phoenyx alone.  Programming alone could be a full-time
> job and Karen's got less time than ever for it.  (Firehawk 2.0 development
> is much slower than expected.  One never knows how a child will affect
> your life.  And Nathan's going to be a year old on the 20th, BTW.)

I have a friend with a son about a month older than Nathan.  And other
friends with childer even older than that.  I've seen.

> Anyway, we've been doing a lot of thinking, talking and brainstorming.
> Topics like just what is the Phoenyx trying to accomplish, how do we
> measure success and failure, what level of quality are we satisfied with,
> etc.  We've seen competition creep up on us... and we don't like it.  We
> want to be the best that online roleplaying has to offer.
> 
> We've got a lot of ideas.  And we're a bit confused about where to go in
> some areas.  So many things to do, so few people to do them.  We're still
> in an exploratory phase, trying to figure out how to best manage our core
> offering, to build a solid service and expand our reptuation.
> 
> Karen and I have decided to have weekly meetings concerning managing the
> Phoenyx.  We're going to have them in the MOO (chat server) so we can
> record our conversations and so others can join in.  If you're interested
> in the future of the Phoenyx, and we hope you are since you're the core of
> our "business", we'd like you to join us.  We're meeting every Wednesday
> at 8:30 PM CDT (Nathan goes to bed at 8:00 :) and I don't expect the
> meeting to last more than an hour-and-a-half or so.

Sounds like a good idea.  I can't make it this week, I've got a "date"
with the friend mentioned above (it was supposed to be a foursome, but
our spouses have both had to cancel for various reasons).

> This week we're going to meet at 9:30 instead of 8:30 because we're
> involved in Vacation Bible School all week.  After that it'll be 8:30.

The front page says there's a logo discussion at 8:30 Wednesday.  Is
this a change back or an error?

> I'll try to have an agenda posted before then.

I assume the first one is "Logo".

BTW, I'm partial to the full Phoenyx that you used way back when.

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CarlCravens
Carl D Cravens

Tue

Jun 5
2001

20:52Z

The Future of the Phoenyx

On Mon, 4 Jun 2001, Michael Feldhusen wrote:

> The front page says there's a logo discussion at 8:30 Wednesday.  Is
> this a change back or an error?

Fixed.

> I assume the first one is "Logo".

I want a bit of general over-view of what we're doing.  I don't know if
there's much to talk about on the logo end of things until we have an
artist involved.  (Karen does animals/furries... she doesn't seem to like
logo work.)

> BTW, I'm partial to the full Phoenyx that you used way back when.

That's a piece of CorelDRAW clipart and was used by Origins a few years
back.  We'd look derivative.  But I wouldn't mind a new bird.

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MJasonKnight
M. Jason Knight

Wed

Jun 6
2001

04:56Z

The Future of the Phoenyx

On 3 Jun 01, at 21:16, raven@phoenyx.net wrote:

> with, etc.  We've seen competition creep up on us... and we don't like
> it.  We want to be the best that online roleplaying has to offer.

Damn, that's a switch. Hasn't the official policy always been "We 
have no competition"?
 
> We've got a lot of ideas.  And we're a bit confused about where to go
> in some areas.  So many things to do, so few people to do them.  We're
> still in an exploratory phase, trying to figure out how to best manage
> our core offering, to build a solid service and expand our reptuation.

I'm learning Perl as fast as I can. A wall (no pun intended) of blue-
spined books with animals names is gazing at me as I speak.

At this rate, I should be able to help with the Perl programming at 
about the time you next change languages.  Doesn't help that I 
occasionally do some hacking in Lambdacore, which requires brain 
rewiring each time I switch back.  Got to cut back on that.

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CarlCravens
Carl D Cravens

Wed

Jun 6
2001

05:21Z

The Future of the Phoenyx

On Tue, 5 Jun 2001, M. Jason Knight wrote:

> Damn, that's a switch. Hasn't the official policy always been "We
> have no competition"?

Well, there's nobody *quite* like us out there.  Most of our "competition"
is entirely web-based, but web-based is becoming competition for
traditional mailing lists.

Amethyst Alliance recommends a little do-nothing site running majordomo
that gives free mailing lists to PBeM roleplaying games.  No features, no
real service, just a list.  Why aren't they recommending *us*?  (Other
than we'll turn down 90% of those who apply.)

Yahoo! Groups (eGroups) is actually fairly reliable now, has web-based
reading and posting (though not robust).  They're just barely beating us
on the web-based interface (they have searching, but don't track last-read
messages, but neither do we).  Feature-wise, we need to kick Yahoo!
Group's butt to help attract GM's.

No, the Phoenyx is still unique, but I'm starting to feel crowded by
web-based PBeM sites, who we're going to be in serious competition with
when our web-based interface goes full-blown.

> At this rate, I should be able to help with the Perl programming at
> about the time you next change languages.

Hum... Jason hacking Phoenyx code again.  This would truly be a return to
the old times.

> Doesn't help that I occasionally do some hacking in Lambdacore, which
> requires brain rewiring each time I switch back.  Got to cut back on
> that.

Gah, no kidding.  I started doing hacking on LambdaMOO (JHcore).  It's not
hard programming, but it is hard to switch gears.  It'd help if the darn
core were fully documented.  (And Jay's House isn't very "clean"... too
many remnants of his specific environment, like help files that contain
system policy that obviously won't apply to any other moo.)

This is one area we really want to do some work on, but have no time for.

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MeeraBarry
Meera Barry

Wed

Jun 6
2001

06:33Z

The Future of the Phoenyx

>Feature-wise, we need to kick Yahoo! Group's butt to help attract GM's.

I am hoping I am feeling better tomorrow (enough to join the conversation) 
as I found it a privilege (and a challenge!) to join the Phoenyx 
community.   From many years of experience with 'Net facilities for gaming, 
the Phoenyx had always been a personal "goal" for me for the quality _and_ 
the community that it represented through the word-of-mouth recognition I 
had received.

Now, if you could only condense that into a tag line...

\\ Mb \\

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MikeF
Mike Feldhusen

Wed

Jun 6
2001

16:37Z

The Future of the Phoenyx

On Wed, 6 Jun 2001, Meera Barry wrote:

> >Feature-wise, we need to kick Yahoo! Group's butt to help attract GM's.
> 
> I am hoping I am feeling better tomorrow (enough to join the conversation) 
> as I found it a privilege (and a challenge!) to join the Phoenyx 
> community.   From many years of experience with 'Net facilities for gaming, 
> the Phoenyx had always been a personal "goal" for me for the quality _and_ 
> the community that it represented through the word-of-mouth recognition I 
> had received.
> 
> Now, if you could only condense that into a tag line...

Phoenyx Internet Gaming -- You know you want it. . . .

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CarlCravens
Carl D Cravens

Wed

Jun 6
2001

18:01Z

The Future of the Phoenyx

On Wed, 6 Jun 2001, Michael Feldhusen wrote:

> Phoenyx Internet Gaming -- You know you want it. . . .

Hey, none of that "adult roleplaying" here, remember? :)

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MikeF
Mike Feldhusen

Wed

Jun 6
2001

18:47Z

The Future of the Phoenyx

On Wed, 6 Jun 2001, raven@phoenyx.net wrote:

> On Wed, 6 Jun 2001, Michael Feldhusen wrote:

> > Phoenyx Internet Gaming -- You know you want it. . . .

> Hey, none of that "adult roleplaying" here, remember? :)

Oh good, someone did notice. . . .

I was afraid it might have been too subtle.

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CarlCravens
Carl D Cravens

Wed

Jun 6
2001

18:05Z

The Future of the Phoenyx

On Wed, 6 Jun 2001, Meera Barry wrote:

> community.   From many years of experience with 'Net facilities for gaming,
> the Phoenyx had always been a personal "goal" for me for the quality _and_
> the community that it represented through the word-of-mouth recognition I

Now that is cool.  That's exactly the kind of reputation I've wanted to
achieve, but I've never before heard someone actually say it like that.  I
was afraid that we weren't getting much word-of-mouth and were just,
"ho-hum, another roleplaying site" in the eyes of many.

Thanks, Meera.

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