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CarlCravens
Carl D Cravens

Mon

Jun 25
2001

18:53Z

[Ed] Game Request Form Cyberis (PR#992)

This one's kind of odd...  I don't think we've ever had anybody ask us to host a
totally freeform game.  My first inclination is to reject it, as I don't think
it really "fits," but I'd like some more opinions. 

> On Mon Jun 25 11:09:44 2001,
> The following information was submitted:
> Host: 205.188.200.47
> name = Alex Cenni
> submit_by = LotusEyes16@aol.com
> id = Cyberis
> title = Cyberis Lounge
> blurb = Ever wanted to just relax a character you were playing?  
> Where you don't have to worry about your GM saying 'That 
> isn't in your character description' or 'that doesn't 
> belong in this game'.
> 
> Cyberis Lounge is such a place.  You can allow your 
> character to stay for two weeks (RL) or two days, depending 
> on how long you wish to stay.  This is a freeform RPG, and 
> your character must belong to another RPG (no matter what 
> type, IRC, Chat or otherwise) for him or her (or it) to be 
> allowed in.  Only rule is not to kill another's char, at 
> some point they do need to go back to their own games.
> 
> Contact me at LotusEyes16@aol.com for more info.
> web = 
> genre = Other
> system = Freeform
> about = I play in at least 12 games right now myself, all fantasy 
> or modern.  I am co-gm of one game, and my first attempt at 
> actualy GMing my own game failed because of personal 
> reasons.  That's it I guess...
> 
> [ Please always reply to the from line (support@phoenyx.net) and don't change
  the subject line so that the ticket tracking software can track your email. ]

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HanleyMartin
Hanley, Martin

Mon

Jun 25
2001

19:31Z

[Ed] Game Request Form Cyberis (PR#992)

My only concern with this is that you'd have characters from not only
multiple game types, but multiple genres.  This might be interesting, but it
doesn't sound like there would be any finality to this at all.  Is that a
bad thing?  I don't know.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Carl Cravens [mailto:support@phoenyx.net]
> Sent: Monday, June 25, 2001 1:54 PM
> To: listowners@phoenyx.net
> Subject: Re: LO: [Ed] Game Request Form Cyberis (PR#992)
> 
> 
> This one's kind of odd...  I don't think we've ever had 
> anybody ask us to host a
> totally freeform game.  My first inclination is to reject it, 
> as I don't think
> it really "fits," but I'd like some more opinions. 
> 
> > On Mon Jun 25 11:09:44 2001,
> > The following information was submitted:
> > Host: 205.188.200.47
> > name = Alex Cenni
> > submit_by = LotusEyes16@aol.com
> > id = Cyberis
> > title = Cyberis Lounge
> > blurb = Ever wanted to just relax a character you were playing?  
> > Where you don't have to worry about your GM saying 'That 
> > isn't in your character description' or 'that doesn't 
> > belong in this game'.
> > 
> > Cyberis Lounge is such a place.  You can allow your 
> > character to stay for two weeks (RL) or two days, depending 
> > on how long you wish to stay.  This is a freeform RPG, and 
> > your character must belong to another RPG (no matter what 
> > type, IRC, Chat or otherwise) for him or her (or it) to be 
> > allowed in.  Only rule is not to kill another's char, at 
> > some point they do need to go back to their own games.
> > 
> > Contact me at LotusEyes16@aol.com for more info.
> > web = 
> > genre = Other
> > system = Freeform
> > about = I play in at least 12 games right now myself, all fantasy 
> > or modern.  I am co-gm of one game, and my first attempt at 
> > actualy GMing my own game failed because of personal 
> > reasons.  That's it I guess...
> > 
> > [ Please always reply to the from line 
> (support@phoenyx.net) and don't change
>   the subject line so that the ticket tracking software can 
> track your email. ]
> 
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KarenCravens
Karen Cravens

Mon

Jun 25
2001

20:26Z

[Ed] Game Request Form Cyberis (PR#992)

On 25 Jun 2001, at 13:53, Carl Cravens wrote:

> This one's kind of odd...  I don't think we've ever had anybody ask us to host a
> totally freeform game.  My first inclination is to reject it, as I don't think
> it really "fits," but I'd like some more opinions. 

We've got freeform games listed under 
http://www.phoenyx.net/profiles/groups/top (though granted, that 
page isn't available except as a direct URL), so I don't think that's 
grounds for rejection.
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CarlCravens
Carl D Cravens

Mon

Jun 25
2001

20:38Z

[Ed] Game Request Form Cyberis (PR#992)

On Mon, 25 Jun 2001, Karen Cravens wrote:

> We've got freeform games listed under
> http://www.phoenyx.net/profiles/groups/top (though granted, that
> page isn't available except as a direct URL), so I don't think that's
> grounds for rejection.

Since it isn't published, we can't be held to it.  That's one of those
inclusive/exclusive issues we haven't addressed yet.

My problems here are, how do you evaulate the proposal?  Since the GM
isn't doing anything to speak of, what are are criteria to decide if this
is a good "game" proposal or not?  Does it come down to style... "your
idea sucks, sorry"?

I'm not overly thrilled with this game proposal... not just because I
wouldn't be interested in participating, but because I can't see it
flying.  Without plot or even a focus, and with the intentional
requirement of characters being from different worlds, they don't even
have anything in common except the "tavern".  I've seen this kind of thing
in chat and it's all a bunch of egotistical one-upsmanship.  Fun for an
evening, but I can't see making a long-term game out of it on the Phoenyx.

My mind's not made up... but I don't see how this game works for us.

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HanleyMartin
Hanley, Martin

Tue

Jun 26
2001

15:27Z

[Ed] Game Request Form Cyberis (PR#992)

> I saw this email first last night, and didn't have an answer then.
> I've mulled it over a bit more, but I still don't have an answer.
> 
> So all I can say is that you're not alone in being indecisive on it.

I'm still undecided as well... As a player, I kind of like the concept.  It
might be fun to "interact" with other characters.. but... is it of the same
quality as the rest of the Phoenyx games?  Therein lies my concern.
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CarlCravens
Carl D Cravens

Tue

Jun 26
2001

16:09Z

[Ed] Game Request Form Cyberis (PR#992)

On Tue, 26 Jun 2001, Martin Hanley wrote:

> I'm still undecided as well... As a player, I kind of like the concept.  It
> might be fun to "interact" with other characters.. but... is it of the same
> quality as the rest of the Phoenyx games?  Therein lies my concern.

Karen and I discussed it a bit, and despite her "not wanting that type"
over on Gmast, she's inclined to not be very exclusive with it comes to
what we'll accept.  I, on the other hand, tend to want to be exclusive.

The other problem with this proposal (outside of "is this our style?") is
that I don't know how to evaluate the potential quality of the GM or the
idea.  No storyline, no NPC's... the "gamemaster" is more of a list
moderator than a gamemaster.

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MikeF
Mike Feldhusen

Tue

Jun 26
2001

16:53Z

[Ed] Game Request Form Cyberis (PR#992)

On Tue, 26 Jun 2001, raven@phoenyx.net wrote:

> On Tue, 26 Jun 2001, Martin Hanley wrote:

> > I'm still undecided as well... As a player, I kind of like the concept.  It
> > might be fun to "interact" with other characters.. but... is it of the same
> > quality as the rest of the Phoenyx games?  Therein lies my concern.

> Karen and I discussed it a bit, and despite her "not wanting that type"
> over on Gmast, she's inclined to not be very exclusive with it comes to
> what we'll accept.  I, on the other hand, tend to want to be exclusive.

> The other problem with this proposal (outside of "is this our style?") is
> that I don't know how to evaluate the potential quality of the GM or the
> idea.  No storyline, no NPC's... the "gamemaster" is more of a list
> moderator than a gamemaster.

Two ideas:

1) Ask the "GM" how he/she (I can't remember if a "real" name was even
given, much less what it was if it was) intends to run this and what
role he/she intends to have in this

and

2) How does the idea of "Provisional Acceptance" strike people?

(I'm typing this in one-handed while I eat lunch with the other, so
I'll leave off on being more explicit on the concept until someone
isn't clear on it.)

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CarlCravens
Carl D Cravens

Fri

Jun 29
2001

21:24Z

[Ed] Game Request Form Cyberis (PR#992)

On Tue, 26 Jun 2001, Michael Feldhusen wrote:
> 2) How does the idea of "Provisional Acceptance" strike people?

In general, or specific to this request?

All of our games are provisional, really... if the game isn't working, we
delete it.  (Which generally means there's no activity... if the players
are active, the game must be working.)

In specific, I dunno.  If the player and lurkers aren't interested, then
it'll die a quiet death.  If they are interested, then it works.  Our real
concern when accepting games is whether the GM is going to hang around
long enough to finish the game and has put some thought into what they're
going to do so the game doesn't stall when they hit a mental block.  I
don't know how to evaluate this one in that context.

As Karen said, it's like a sim of sorts, but it has no world-context... as
I said, it's much like a "tavern" chatroom where everyone just chats,
BS's, and get into one-upsmanship competitions.  And you're not even
allowed to create a character specific to that "world"... the character is
supposed to come from another game.  That's probably what worries me the
most.

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HanleyMartin
Hanley, Martin

Mon

Jul 2
2001

13:48Z

[Ed] Game Request Form Cyberis (PR#992)

Quick question on the JBug thing... 
The notes list, is that updated by putting the note in the notification box
and pressing "Submit changes"?

And... Tim's back.... almost eek!
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CarlCravens
Carl D Cravens

Mon

Jul 2
2001

16:25Z

[Ed] Game Request Form Cyberis (PR#992)

On Mon, 2 Jul 2001, Martin Hanley wrote:

> Quick question on the JBug thing...
> The notes list, is that updated by putting the note in the notification box
> and pressing "Submit changes"?

Yep.  Just add your note to the top of the list.

Tim's kinda scary, but it's become apparent that he doesn't understand
what we're doing here... he apparently expects us to create a graphical
"roleplaying video game" engine for him.

This one is probably easier to deal with because of his
misunderstanding... you might steer him toward a game archive so he can
see what it is we do.  He might become interested and join a game.

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KarenCravens
Karen Cravens

Wed

Jun 27
2001

02:59Z

[Ed] Game Request Form Cyberis (PR#992)

On 26 Jun 2001, at 11:09, raven@phoenyx.net wrote:

> The other problem with this proposal (outside of "is this our style?") is
> that I don't know how to evaluate the potential quality of the GM or the
> idea.  No storyline, no NPC's... the "gamemaster" is more of a list
> moderator than a gamemaster.

Hey, is Jason on the Editors topic?  This sounds more like what he 
was exploring.

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MikeF
Mike Feldhusen

Tue

Jun 26
2001

15:19Z

[Ed] Game Request Form Cyberis (PR#992)

On Mon, 25 Jun 2001, Carl Cravens wrote:

> This one's kind of odd...  I don't think we've ever had anybody ask
> us to host a totally freeform game.  My first inclination is to
> reject it, as I don't think it really "fits," but I'd like some more
> opinions.

> > title = Cyberis Lounge
> > blurb = Ever wanted to just relax a character you were playing?
> > Where you don't have to worry about your GM saying 'That
> > isn't in your character description' or 'that doesn't
> > belong in this game'.
> >
> > Cyberis Lounge is such a place.  You can allow your
> > character to stay for two weeks (RL) or two days, depending
> > on how long you wish to stay.  This is a freeform RPG, and
> > your character must belong to another RPG (no matter what
> > type, IRC, Chat or otherwise) for him or her (or it) to be
> > allowed in.  Only rule is not to kill another's char, at
> > some point they do need to go back to their own games.

I saw this email first last night, and didn't have an answer then.
I've mulled it over a bit more, but I still don't have an answer.

So all I can say is that you're not alone in being indecisive on it.

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