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KarenCravens
Karen Cravens

Thu

Oct 25
2001

02:35Z

[Web] Phoenyx Website Review - Main Page

Tonight's chat is on a page-by-page review of the Phoenyx 
website... being as how so few people are there (ahem) right now, 
and since some people can't make it (and we're going to have 
another Saturday chat Real Soon Now), I'm going to post the 
summaries here to get feedback.

First off, the main page:  (http://www.phoenyx.net/ but if you didn't 
know that, what are you doing here?)

The new templates needed fine-tuned; alt tags and so on were 
added during the chat.

The menu needs some feedback, especially from people new to 
the Phoenyx.  What needs to be on it that isn't, and are the things 
that are on it clear enough?

The Site Summary paragraph needs a rewrite.  Presently, it's "The 
Phoenyx is an Internet service dedicated to building a roleplaying 
community online. It offers free email discussion groups (with web 
and newsgroup interfaces), IRC channels and MU* servers for 
gamemasters wishing to run online roleplaying games." Informative, 
but slightly inaccurate, and deadly dull.

The Phoenyx News is a new feature, making the page more 
dynamic. Of course, if we only have internal news, it's not that 
compelling, but I really don't want to become a general news site 
(there's plenty of that).  I'd rather have periodic articles and 
columns to put in there.  A lot of you write occasional how-to's and 
whatnot; I'd love to host them on the Phoenyx and formalize it into 
a mini-zine (okay, micro-zine).  Nothing fancy or high-maintenance, 
just occasional articles, mostly on internet roleplaying (though I'm 
*still* going to do that food column Real Soon Now).

The "Where to Start" section is the main content of the page, and 
(as discussed in the chat) was a slapped-together placeholder 
that's been holding its place for *way* too long.  We need a "Start 
here" intro page (we have one, but it's presently trapped on a laptop 
with a shorted power cable, so a rewrite is probably in order).  But 
mostly we just need to figure out what needs to go in this section.

The main page doesn't have a sidebar presently (well, it does have 
the 9-11 link, but that's another placeholder).  I don't want to make 
the page too busy, but we could put something there if needed.

Thoughts?  Comments?  Does anybody ever read the main page?

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KarenCravens
Karen Cravens

Sat

Oct 27
2001

03:28Z

[Web] Phoenyx Website Review - Main Page

On 24 Oct 2001, at 21:35, Karen Cravens wrote:

> Tonight's chat is on a page-by-page review of the Phoenyx 
> website... being as how so few people are there (ahem) right now, 
> and since some people can't make it (and we're going to have 
> another Saturday chat Real Soon Now), I'm going to post the 
> summaries here to get feedback.

Okay, so since I haven't heard anything from anyone, does that 
mean I can walk over into the next room and hit the Big Red 
Switch?
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TimHall
Tim Hall

Sat

Oct 27
2001

09:40Z

[Web] Phoenyx Website Review - Main Page

Karen Cravens wrote:

>The new templates needed fine-tuned; alt tags and so on were 
>added during the chat.

Some pages still don't have the new template, like the Banner Exchange
(and although this is another subject, there's a lot of broken banners
out there - presumably people on free web providers that don't allow
graphics to loaded to external pages)

>The menu needs some feedback, especially from people new to 
>the Phoenyx.  What needs to be on it that isn't, and are the things 
>that are on it clear enough?

Can't think of anything that ought to be there that isn't

>The Site Summary paragraph needs a rewrite.  Presently, it's "The 
>Phoenyx is an Internet service dedicated to building a roleplaying 
>community online. It offers free email discussion groups (with web 
>and newsgroup interfaces), IRC channels and MU* servers for 
>gamemasters wishing to run online roleplaying games." Informative, 
>but slightly inaccurate, and deadly dull.



>The Phoenyx News is a new feature, making the page more 
>dynamic. Of course, if we only have internal news, it's not that 
>compelling, but I really don't want to become a general news site 
>(there's plenty of that).  I'd rather have periodic articles and 
>columns to put in there.  A lot of you write occasional how-to's and 
>whatnot; I'd love to host them on the Phoenyx and formalize it into 
>a mini-zine (okay, micro-zine).  Nothing fancy or high-maintenance, 
>just occasional articles, mostly on internet roleplaying (though I'm 
>*still* going to do that food column Real Soon Now).

Sounds like it's a matter of 'volunteering' people to write things.
Could also try things like interviews with GMs or features on games
(by interviewing the players).

>The "Where to Start" section is the main content of the page, and 
>(as discussed in the chat) was a slapped-together placeholder 
>that's been holding its place for *way* too long.  We need a "Start 
>here" intro page (we have one, but it's presently trapped on a laptop 
>with a shorted power cable, so a rewrite is probably in order).  But 
>mostly we just need to figure out what needs to go in this section.

What's currently there is an expanded table of contents, plus the
banner exchange.

>The main page doesn't have a sidebar presently (well, it does have 
>the 9-11 link, but that's another placeholder).  I don't want to make 
>the page too busy, but we could put something there if needed.
>
>Thoughts?  Comments?  Does anybody ever read the main page?

The 'Phoenyx News' summaries mean little or nothing if you're not a
phoenyx regular. - could do with some framing words.   (Bit like I've
done on the front page of www.kalyr.com - no 'real' content, but a few
words on each new link).
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KarenCravens
Karen Cravens

Sun

Oct 28
2001

03:35Z

[Web] Phoenyx Website Review - Main Page

On 27 Oct 2001, at 4:40, Tim Hall wrote:

> Some pages still don't have the new template, like the Banner Exchange

Yeah, I'm going to be going through the pages that don't use 
templates and creating templates for them.  That's part of the 
walkthrough.

> (and although this is another subject, there's a lot of broken banners
> out there - presumably people on free web providers that don't allow
> graphics to loaded to external pages)

Are you sure?  I'm using a proxy that doesn't pass Referer along, 
which normally means I don't see externally-linked graphics on 
places like Angelfire, so I thought I had pretty much all of those 
places denied with a "try a different provider, or ask me really 
nicely and I'll host your banner" mail.  But maybe some are smart 
enough to give graphics out to a blank Referer... I'll have to try 
using a dummy Referer instead and see what happens.
 
> 

Yeah.  This probably isn't going to be a community effort, but if 
somebody has a flair for tasteful-yet-attention-getting marketing 
text, I'm willing to listen.
 
> Sounds like it's a matter of 'volunteering' people to write things.

Or volunteering people who've written things to let me host them on 
the Phoenyx directly.

> Could also try things like interviews with GMs or features on games
> (by interviewing the players).

Yeah.  I'd also like to see people (probably gamemasters, but you 
could encourage your faithful players to do it... it might even be 
educational to get their take on it) write up a "New Viewer's Guide" 
sort of summary of their campaigns-to-date, summarizing what's 
gone before.
 
> What's currently there is an expanded table of contents, plus the
> banner exchange.

Yeah.  Like I said, it was a placeholder.  It was originally a sidebar.
 
> The 'Phoenyx News' summaries mean little or nothing if you're not a
> phoenyx regular. - could do with some framing words.   (Bit like I've
> done on the front page of www.kalyr.com - no 'real' content, but a few
> words on each new link).

The Phoenyx News items themselves will mean little or nothing to 
non-regulars, though.  Somewhere, I need to explain what each 
news category is (probably on the news pages for each category), 
but I haven't gotten to that.  Any framing words I add would have to 
be pretty concise, to avoid making the news section any more 
distracting than it is.  Really, I'm shooting for something like the 
little Game News headlines at the top of the Pyramid TOC.  I think 
I'm going to scrap the dates in the headline part, too.


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MJHarnish
MJ Harnish

Mon

Oct 29
2001

08:30Z

[Web] Phoenyx Website Review - Main Page

On 27 Oct 2001, at 22:35, Karen Cravens wrote:

> 
> Yeah.  I'd also like to see people (probably gamemasters, but you
> could encourage your faithful players to do it... it might even be
> educational to get their take on it) write up a "New Viewer's Guide"
> sort of summary of their campaigns-to-date, summarizing what's gone
> before.

I now have a player doing this to include on my game's webpage 
though the first installment won't be ready for another month or so 
simply b/c we haven't even gotten through the first adventure yet.  
You're welcome to use it as well if you'd life; otherwise it will be 
available through my game's pages.


MJ Harnish
waldo@earthling.net
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KarenCravens
Karen Cravens

Wed

Oct 31
2001

15:41Z

MGR: Phoenyx Website Review - Main Page

On 29 Oct 2001, at 2:30, mjharnish@lhsi.net wrote:

> I now have a player doing this to include on my game's webpage 
> though the first installment won't be ready for another month or so 
> simply b/c we haven't even gotten through the first adventure yet.  
> You're welcome to use it as well if you'd life; otherwise it will be 
> available through my game's pages.

The idea is not to wait until you're finished with something, it's so 
that new readers can get caught up without sifting through the 
entire past archive.
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TimHall
Tim Hall

Wed

Oct 31
2001

18:08Z

MGR: Phoenyx Website Review - Main Page

Karen Cravens wrote:

>On 29 Oct 2001, at 2:30, mjharnish@lhsi.net wrote:
>
>> I now have a player doing this to include on my game's webpage 
>> though the first installment won't be ready for another month or so 
>> simply b/c we haven't even gotten through the first adventure yet.  
>> You're welcome to use it as well if you'd life; otherwise it will be 
>> available through my game's pages.
>
>The idea is not to wait until you're finished with something, it's so 
>that new readers can get caught up without sifting through the 
>entire past archive.

I'm confused - what's all this about.  I'm seeing replies to post I've
never seen.  Am I losing mail or has this subject been diverted from
another list or subtopic I'm not subscribed to?
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TimHall
Tim Hall

Wed

Oct 31
2001

21:34Z

MGR: Phoenyx Website Review - Main Page

Tim Hall wrote:

>I'm confused - what's all this about.  I'm seeing replies to post I've
>never seen.  Am I losing mail or has this subject been diverted from
>another list or subtopic I'm not subscribed to?

Ignore that post.  My filtering was going screwy, and the change in
subject line had broken the threads.
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TimHall
Tim Hall

Wed

Oct 31
2001

21:36Z

MGR: [Web] Phoenyx Website Review - Main Page

Karen Cravens wrote:

>> (and although this is another subject, there's a lot of broken banners
>> out there - presumably people on free web providers that don't allow
>> graphics to loaded to external pages)
>
>Are you sure?  I'm using a proxy that doesn't pass Referer along, 
>which normally means I don't see externally-linked graphics on 
>places like Angelfire, so I thought I had pretty much all of those 
>places denied with a "try a different provider, or ask me really 
>nicely and I'll host your banner" mail.  But maybe some are smart 
>enough to give graphics out to a blank Referer... I'll have to try 
>using a dummy Referer instead and see what happens.

Just checked these again, and the (one) angelfire is showing OK, but 3
on geocities and 2 on tripod are not.  Everything else seems fine.  Of
course, the problem may be BT's sometimes broken proxy server.
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KarenCravens
Karen Cravens

Sat

Nov 10
2001

03:39Z

MGR: Phoenyx Website Review - Main Page

On 31 Oct 2001, at 15:36, Tim Hall wrote:

> Just checked these again, and the (one) angelfire is showing OK, but 3
> on geocities and 2 on tripod are not.  Everything else seems fine.  Of
> course, the problem may be BT's sometimes broken proxy server.

Anybody else (preferably someone with a proxy server) want to 
check this out (http://www.phoenyx.net/bp/ and go to the "show all 
banners" page, whose direct address I can't remember just now) 
and let me know if any banners are broken?

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