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KarenCravens
Karen Cravens

Wed

Feb 6
2002

04:50Z

MGR: It's been a fun sixteen years, but...

What with a toddler making increasing demands on my time, and 
Earthlink buying out our ISP and cancelling business (i.e. server-
capable) DSL, I think it's about time to end on a high note.

Actually, I was just checking to see if anybody actually reads these 
messages, the last few having gone out with no response.  What I 
really wanted to say was, don't forget we have a chat Wednesday 
night, 2030 CST (0230 Thursday morning GMT).  We'll be talking about 
technical/programming volunteers mostly.  And probably moving all the 
chat info (and transcripts) into the Wiki, and maybe remodeling the 
MOO again.



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JuhaVesanto
juuso

Wed

Feb 6
2002

06:28Z

MGR: It's been a fun sixteen years, but...

On Tue, 5 Feb 2002, Karen Cravens wrote:
> What with a toddler making increasing demands on my time, and 

 

> Earthlink buying out our ISP and cancelling business (i.e. server-

 

> capable) DSL, I think it's about time to end on a high note.

 
 
> Actually, I was just checking to see if anybody actually reads these 
> messages, the last few having gone out with no response.  

 

This is *not* the way to start a day. My heart is still beating some
extra. Yes, I read these messages. 

juuso

PS. A good one, though.
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RegulaTwo
Regula Two

Wed

Feb 6
2002

07:06Z

MGR: It's been a fun sixteen years, but...

Don't scare us like that :)  I almost fell off my chair.  Yes, I read every 
message sent to the list.

Ken


>From: "Karen Cravens" 
>Reply-To: managers@phoenyx.net
>To: managers@phoenyx.net
>Subject: MGR: It's been a fun sixteen years, but...
>Date: Tue,  5 Feb 2002 22:50:49 CST
>
>What with a toddler making increasing demands on my time, and
>Earthlink buying out our ISP and cancelling business (i.e. server-
>capable) DSL, I think it's about time to end on a high note.
>
>Actually, I was just checking to see if anybody actually reads these
>messages, the last few having gone out with no response.  What I
>really wanted to say was, don't forget we have a chat Wednesday
>night, 2030 CST (0230 Thursday morning GMT).  We'll be talking about
>technical/programming volunteers mostly.  And probably moving all the
>chat info (and transcripts) into the Wiki, and maybe remodeling the
>MOO again.
>
>
>
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MikeF
Mike Feldhusen

Wed

Feb 6
2002

16:47Z

MGR: It's been a fun sixteen years, but...

On Wed, 6 Feb 2002, Juha Vesanto (Juuso) wrote:

> On Tue, 5 Feb 2002, Karen Cravens wrote:
> > What with a toddler making increasing demands on my time, and 
> 
>  
> 
> > Earthlink buying out our ISP and cancelling business (i.e. server-
> 
>  
> 
> > capable) DSL, I think it's about time to end on a high note.
> 
>  
>  
> > Actually, I was just checking to see if anybody actually reads these 
> > messages, the last few having gone out with no response.  
> 
>  
> 
> This is *not* the way to start a day. My heart is still beating some
> extra. Yes, I read these messages. 

I have to agree with Juuso on this.

*Don't* to that!

I do read them, I just didn't have anything to say in reply.

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Chuk
Chuk Goodin

Wed

Feb 6
2002

07:00Z

MGR: It's been a fun sixteen years, but...

> What with a toddler making increasing demands on my time, and 
> Earthlink buying out our ISP and cancelling business (i.e. server-
> capable) DSL, I think it's about time to end on a high note.
> 
> Actually, I was just checking to see if anybody actually reads these
> messages, the last few having gone out with no response.  What I
> really wanted to say was, don't forget we have a chat Wednesday night,
> 2030 CST (0230 Thursday morning GMT).  We'll be talking about
> technical/programming volunteers mostly.  And probably moving all the
> chat info (and transcripts) into the Wiki, and maybe remodeling the
> MOO again.

So, it's not really over, is it?
Has phoenyx really had a web presence for 16 years?  That's great 
--what did you guys use before HTML?

chuk
(cgoodin@sfu.ca)

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CarlCravens
Carl D Cravens

Wed

Feb 6
2002

17:05Z

MGR: It's been a fun sixteen years, but...

On Wed, 6 Feb 2002 cgoodin@sfu.ca wrote:

> So, it's not really over, is it?
> Has phoenyx really had a web presence for 16 years?  That's great
> --what did you guys use before HTML?

The Phoenyx has only had a web presence for a few years, but we've been in
business for 16, having started as a dial-up BBS dedicated to PBeM games.

We moved onto the net gradually, starting with a QWK packet (BBS offline
reader) gateway that let Internet users send and receive QWK packets.  We
eventually built an Internet email to BBS forum gate way.  Both of those
were done via a standard dial-up account.  After that, we moved to UUCP,
which is a true multi-user Internet mail transport mechanism... it's
dial-up, so we weren't live then.  We paid for a domain name and a web
host to give us a live web-site, but it wasn't interactive with the list
server software.

In January of 1998, we subscribed to a dedicated modem and went live 24x7.
In 2000, we switched to DSL.

Somewhere in there, we abandoned the BBS and moved entirely to a Linux
platform, but I can't remember exactly where.  We were doing UUCP on the
Windows box and gating messages back and forth between the BBS software
(Remote Access, if anybody cares) and the UUCP spool.  But I don't recall
if we were doing UUCP on the Linux box, or if the transition to the live
connection coincided with moving to Linux and abandoning the dial-up
altogether.

By the time we went 24x7, we had virtually zero dial-up users.  It was an
odd feeling, knowing that we weren't a BBS any more, but an Internet site.
But the Internet was destroying the local BBS scene and I think we made
the transition pretty smoothly.

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ThomDenholm
thom denholm

Wed

Feb 6
2002

07:07Z

MGR: It's been a fun sixteen years, but...

>Actually, I was just checking to see if anybody actually reads these
>messages, the last few having gone out with no response.

I read 'em, heck, I even let another GM know about the site.
Now if only I could get my game going again...
(can anybody spare a quart of "time" for the recipe?)

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TimHall
Tim Hall

Wed

Feb 6
2002

08:50Z

MGR: It's been a fun sixteen years, but...

> What with a toddler making increasing demands on 
> my time, and Earthlink buying out our ISP and 
> cancelling business (i.e. server- capable) DSL, 
> I think it's about time to end on a high note.

Eeek!

> Actually, I was just checking to see if anybody 
> actually reads these messages, the last few 
> having gone out with no response. 

You got me worried there...

> What I really wanted to say was, don't forget we 
> have a chat Wednesday night, 2030 CST (0230 
> Thursday morning GMT).  We'll be talking about 
> technical/programming volunteers mostly.  And 
> probably moving all the chat info (and 
> transcripts) into the Wiki, and maybe remodeling 
> the MOO again.

Any chance of a chat at a Europe-friendly time in the near future?

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MJHarnish
MJ Harnish

Wed

Feb 6
2002

16:10Z

MGR: It's been a fun sixteen years, but...

On 6 Feb 2002 at 2:50, kalyr@clara.co.uk wrote:

> > What with a toddler making increasing demands on 
> > my time, and Earthlink buying out our ISP and 
> > cancelling business (i.e. server- capable) DSL, 
> > I think it's about time to end on a high note.
> 
> Eeek!
> 
> > Actually, I was just checking to see if anybody 
> > actually reads these messages, the last few 
> > having gone out with no response. 
> 
> You got me worried there...

Yeah, that wasn't funny at all!
 
> Any chance of a chat at a Europe-friendly time in the near future?

Yeah, being 6 hours ahead of EST, participating in evening chats 
aren't very feasible.

MJ Harnish
waldo@earthling.net

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DrIanMcDonald
Dr Ian McDonald

Wed

Feb 6
2002

16:35Z

MGR: It's been a fun sixteen years, but...

Thirded.

mjharnish@lhsi.net wrote:
> 
> > Any chance of a chat at a Europe-friendly time in the near future?
> 
> Yeah, being 6 hours ahead of EST, participating in evening chats
> aren't very feasible.
> 
> MJ Harnish
> waldo@earthling.net
> 
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RobertKnop
Robert A. Knop Jr.

Wed

Feb 6
2002

13:19Z

MGR: It's been a fun sixteen years, but...

> What with a toddler making increasing demands on my time, and 
> Earthlink buying out our ISP and cancelling business (i.e. server-
> capable) DSL, I think it's about time to end on a high note.

Was your old DSL symmetric, or did they just have an AUP that let you run
servers?  Back when I was in California, my very enlightened DSL provider
had no objection to any of us doing anything we wanted with the connection,
but the upstream bandwidth was limited to 128k (which meant that it wasn't
practical for a lot of servers, but was great for running tests and doing a
few other things).

My cable modem has this AUP that one can't run any servers, use any VPN
tunnels, or in general act like anything other than a mindless content
consumer when using the modem.  I mostly obey, but I do run an ssh server so
I can connect to my machine from work.  (Don't tell anybody.)  (It's not
like I'm offering shell accounts to anybody else, so I'm still within the
spirit of the rules.)

> Actually, I was just checking to see if anybody actually reads these 
> messages, the last few having gone out with no response.  What I 
> really wanted to say was, don't forget we have a chat Wednesday 
> night, 2030 CST (0230 Thursday morning GMT).  We'll be talking about 
> technical/programming volunteers mostly.  And probably moving all the 
> chat info (and transcripts) into the Wiki, and maybe remodeling the 
> MOO again.

I will try to be there!  I think I should be able to; nice to see one late
enough that it won't be too much of a problem.

-Rob
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HanleyMartin
Hanley, Martin

Wed

Feb 6
2002

16:14Z

MGR: It's been a fun sixteen years, but...

> > You got me worried there...
> 
> Yeah, that wasn't funny at all!
It's not even April Fool's Day... I was scared when I read it this
morning...
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CarlCravens
Carl D Cravens

Wed

Feb 6
2002

17:07Z

MGR: It's been a fun sixteen years, but...

On Wed, 6 Feb 2002, Robert A. Knop Jr. wrote:

> Was your old DSL symmetric, or did they just have an AUP that let you run
> servers?

They didn't offer SDSL... they just allowed servers and offered a business
account with static IP addresses.

A few weeks ago, we transitioned (very smoothly, I might add, by having
two live DSL connections) to a new provider that offers the same thing.
In fact, their entire staff is made up of people from my old provider.
(And I used to work at the old provider, so I know all of them.)

We *do* run the whole service off of a maximum 128K upstream bandwidth.
(And this provider can go higher when we need it in the future.)  And
bandwidth is rarely a problem... we run more into server load issues.

(We got spidered by a dial-up address the other day... probably a spam
harvester.  It launched several hits a *second* against our site, and when
it hit one of the Wiki's, we ran out of memory.)

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JasonKnight
M. Jason Knight

Sun

Feb 10
2002

04:02Z

MGR: It's been a fun sixteen years, but...

On 5 Feb 02, at 22:50, Karen Cravens wrote:

> What with a toddler making increasing demands on my time, and 
> Earthlink buying out our ISP and cancelling business (i.e. server-
> capable) DSL, I think it's about time to end on a high note.

Excuse me, I need to go to the bank to get a lot of rolls of quarters 
to feed the cuss jar.
 
> Actually, I was just checking to see if anybody actually reads these 
> messages, the last few having gone out with no response.  What I 
> really wanted to say was, don't forget we have a chat Wednesday 
> night, 2030 CST (0230 Thursday morning GMT).  We'll be talking about 
> technical/programming volunteers mostly.  And probably moving all the 
> chat info (and transcripts) into the Wiki, and maybe remodeling the 
> MOO again.

All that, and I missed it anyway.

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