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KarenCravens
Karen Cravens

Tue

Dec 17
2002

14:30Z

MGR: SpamAssassin

We're now filtering all Phoenyx mail through SpamAssassin, so hopefully 
we'll see fewer spam posts (which are really annoying when sent to the 
magic subscription address....)  The old internal filtering routines just weren't 
keeping up anymore.

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CarlCravens
Carl D Cravens

Tue

Dec 17
2002

18:50Z

MGR: SpamAssassin

On Tue, 17 Dec 2002, Karen Cravens wrote:

> We're now filtering all Phoenyx mail through SpamAssassin, so hopefully
> we'll see fewer spam posts (which are really annoying when sent to the
> magic subscription address....)  The old internal filtering routines just weren't
> keeping up anymore.

Yea!  Don't know about the rest of you, but the Fudge List gets _tons_ of
spam.  None gets through to the list, but I've grown very tired of
cancelling all the spam posts.

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MJHarnish
MJ Harnish

Tue

Dec 17
2002

18:57Z

MGR: SpamAssassin

On 17 Dec 2002 at 12:50, Carl D Cravens wrote:

> Yea!  Don't know about the rest of you, but the Fudge List gets _tons_ of
> spam.  None gets through to the list, but I've grown very tired of
> cancelling all the spam posts.

I only get 1 or 2 pieces of spam per month at the moment.  I have had 
a string of people who have written me begging to be unsubscribed 
though; the kicker is that they all insist that they never subscribed in the 
first place!  This has happened 3 or 4 times in the past six months.  

My guess is that they accidently sent an email to the "on" bot when they 
mistyped an address but I'm not sure about the probability of that many 
people repeating the same mistake.

MJ

Realms DM


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KarenCravens
Karen Cravens

Tue

Dec 17
2002

21:35Z

MGR: SpamAssassin

On 17 Dec 2002 at 12:57, MJ Harnish wrote:

> I only get 1 or 2 pieces of spam per month at the moment.  I have had 
> a string of people who have written me begging to be unsubscribed 
> though; the kicker is that they all insist that they never subscribed in the 
> first place!  This has happened 3 or 4 times in the past six months.  
> 
> My guess is that they accidently sent an email to the "on" bot when they 
> mistyped an address but I'm not sure about the probability of that many 
> people repeating the same mistake.

That's what happens when a subscriber gets a Klez-like virus:  the virus 
appropriates every email address it sees (including the GROUPNAME-on 
address from the headers of mailing-list messages), and starts forging mail.  
Since it's not only randomly sending mail, it's randomly forging the "from" 
line, eventually the infectee's going to send mail *to* the magic -on address 
that appears to be *from* his (soon-to-be-ex-) friends.

Anytime you get a case like that, you can always email, and I can dig up the 
original subscription post.  It's at least possible to tell the domain from which 
the mail originated, if not the real sender.

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BruceHumphrey
Bruce Humphrey

Wed

Dec 18
2002

09:26Z

MGR: SpamAssassin

MJ Harnish wrote:

>On 17 Dec 2002 at 12:50, Carl D Cravens wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Yea!  Don't know about the rest of you, but the Fudge List gets _tons_ 
>>    
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>of
>  
>
>>spam.  None gets through to the list, but I've grown very tired of
>>cancelling all the spam posts.
>>    
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>
>I only get 1 or 2 pieces of spam per month at the moment.  I have had 
>a string of people who have written me begging to be unsubscribed 
>though; the kicker is that they all insist that they never subscribed in 
>the 
>first place!  This has happened 3 or 4 times in the past six months.  
>
>My guess is that they accidently sent an email to the "on" bot when they 
>mistyped an address but I'm not sure about the probability of that many 
>people repeating the same mistake.
>
>MJ
>
>Realms DM
>
>
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>
>
>
>  
>
I'm trying spam butcher, as my mail was getting too clogged with spam, 
somehow...

I would guess it does the same as span assassin.

I also got the same thing, but only once: someone asking me "Why are you 
people writing to me?". I told her how to unsubscribe.

Bruce
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MJHarnish
MJ Harnish

Wed

Dec 18
2002

10:55Z

MGR: SpamAssassin

On 18 Dec 2002 at 3:26, Bruce Humphrey wrote:
..
> 
> I would guess it does the same as span assassin.
> 
> I also got the same thing, but only once: someone asking me "Why are you 
> people writing to me?". I told her how to unsubscribe.

Most people are a little confused but fairly friendly.  The last one 
though was down right rude though.

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KarenCravens
Karen Cravens

Sun

Jan 5
2003

04:10Z

MGR: SpamAssassin

On 18 Dec 2002 at 4:55, MJ Harnish wrote:

> Most people are a little confused but fairly friendly.  The last one 
> though was down right rude though.

Usually the rude ones are covering up for the fact that they signed up 
themselves.  If in doubt, you can always ask me and I can pull the logs and 
show exactly where (IP address, if not always email address) the request 
came from.  If it shows them, and they still deny it, I've found that sweetly 
offering to work with their ISP concerning this apparent security breach gets 
a hasty backpedal.  Suddenly, they remember signing up now...

Sometimes I Am A Very Bad Person.

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CarlCravens
Carl D Cravens

Thu

Dec 19
2002

03:52Z

MGR: SpamAssassin

On Wed, 18 Dec 2002, Bruce Humphrey wrote:

> I would guess it does the same as span assassin.

SpamAssassin is a good fit here because it's a Perl module... since
Firehawk is written in Perl, it was pretty easy to plug it in.

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