Sunday, September 14 is looking like a definite possibility for a Euro-friendly chat... early afternoon NorAm time, evening European time. How does that work for everyone? I'm expecting to have a beta of the web forum software (the real from- scratch thing, not a hacked version of somebody else's code this time) up by that point, so I expect the discussion will be about the features thereof. -- -------------------------------------------------------------- Game(s): The Whole Phoenyx Listowner tools are found at http://www.phoenyx.net/listowners/
On 1 Sep 2003 at 21:46, Karen J. Cravens wrote: > Sunday, September 14 is looking like a definite possibility for a > Euro-friendly chat... early afternoon NorAm time, evening European time. > How does that work for everyone? Unfortunately we're off to the inlaws that weekend (whoopee....). :o( -- -------------------------------------------------------------- Game(s): MJ Harnish Listowner tools are found at http://www.phoenyx.net/listowners/
On Tue, 2 Sep 2003, MJ Harnish wrote: MH>Unfortunately we're off to the inlaws that weekend (whoopee....). :o( What, they don't have Internet? You don't have a laptop? Hmph. Some people and their priorities... -- -------------------------------------------------------------- Game(s): The Whole Phoenyx Listowner tools are found at http://www.phoenyx.net/listowners/
> Sunday, September 14 is looking like a definite possibility for a > Euro-friendly chat... early afternoon NorAm time, evening European > time. How does that work for everyone? Works for me. Allison has an AutoCross that day, so I figure I'll be around. > I'm expecting to have a beta of the web forum software (the real from- > scratch thing, not a hacked version of somebody else's code this time) > up by that point, so I expect the discussion will be about the features > thereof. Cool. -- -------------------------------------------------------------- Game(s): Rumors of War / Science Fiction Category Editor Listowner tools are found at http://www.phoenyx.net/listowners/
Karen J. Cravens wrote: >Sunday, September 14 is looking like a definite possibility for a >Euro-friendly chat... early afternoon NorAm time, evening European time. >How does that work for everyone? Looks like I'm going to be around. Is this still on? -- -------------------------------------------------------------- Game(s): Kalyr Listowner tools are found at http://www.phoenyx.net/listowners/
On Sat, 13 Sep 2003, Tim Hall wrote: TH>Looks like I'm going to be around. Is this still on? Yup. Or rather, it's on again, because it got overrun by a meeting that then got cancelled. I'm not sure the exact time... we need to drop Nathan off at his grandparents', but that shouldn't take long. Call it 1:00 our time? -- -------------------------------------------------------------- Game(s): The Whole Phoenyx Listowner tools are found at http://www.phoenyx.net/listowners/
Karen J. Cravens wrote: >Yup. Or rather, it's on again, because it got overrun by a meeting that >then got cancelled. I'm not sure the exact time... we need to drop Nathan >off at his grandparents', but that shouldn't take long. Call it 1:00 our >time? You in Central Time (six hours behind us) That's 7pm UK time, 8pm CET -- -------------------------------------------------------------- Game(s): Kalyr Listowner tools are found at http://www.phoenyx.net/listowners/
On Sat, 13 Sep 2003, Tim Hall wrote: TH>You in Central Time (six hours behind us) We in Central Time, but we in daylight "savings" right now, so we GMT -5. That'd be 1300 CDT, 1800 GMT. -- -------------------------------------------------------------- Game(s): The Whole Phoenyx Listowner tools are found at http://www.phoenyx.net/listowners/
Karen J. Cravens wrote: >We in Central Time, but we in daylight "savings" right now, so we GMT -5. But we're in 'daylight saving' time as well, so we're back to six hours difference again. -- -------------------------------------------------------------- Game(s): Kalyr Listowner tools are found at http://www.phoenyx.net/listowners/
On Sat, 13 Sep 2003, Tim Hall wrote: TH>But we're in 'daylight saving' time as well, so we're back to six TH>hours difference again. Oh, okay. 1800 GMT, everybody do your own conversions. I want to set the Phoenyx to GMT, but Carl keeps saying no. I worked for a cargo airline for more years than I really ought to have, and it was kind of nice having a fixed frame of reference. I also grew up (mostly) in central Indiana, which doesn't go on daylight time. This business about shuffling clocks around, and having different time zones, it's nothing but trouble. -- -------------------------------------------------------------- Game(s): The Whole Phoenyx Listowner tools are found at http://www.phoenyx.net/listowners/
Karen J. Cravens wrote: >I also grew up (mostly) >in central Indiana, which doesn't go on daylight time. This business >about shuffling clocks around, and having different time zones, it's >nothing but trouble. At least we're both in the same hemisphere; I can never work out time differences with Australia, which varies by two hours depending on the time of year. -- -------------------------------------------------------------- Game(s): Kalyr Listowner tools are found at http://www.phoenyx.net/listowners/
I'm getting "Server phoenyx.net 7777 is unreachable" errors when I try to connect using tkMOO lite :( -- -------------------------------------------------------------- Game(s): Kalyr Listowner tools are found at http://www.phoenyx.net/listowners/
On Sat, 13 Sep 2003, Tim Hall wrote: TH>I'm getting "Server phoenyx.net 7777 is unreachable" errors when I try TH>to connect using tkMOO lite :( Yeah, it's down right now because we had a runaway process that ate all the memory, and because I couldn't remember how to restart it. Carl will have to do that Real Soon Now. We should probably have a watcher daemon that restarts it when it fails. I have a number of new processes that need watched like that. -- -------------------------------------------------------------- Game(s): The Whole Phoenyx Listowner tools are found at http://www.phoenyx.net/listowners/
Karen J. Cravens wrote: >Yeah, it's down right now because we had a runaway process that ate all >the memory, and because I couldn't remember how to restart it. Carl will >have to do that Real Soon Now. Was that earlier this morning (your time) or about lunchtime (my time) while I was making entries to the Kalyr wiki, and it went v..e...r...y s...l...o....w? -- -------------------------------------------------------------- Game(s): Kalyr Listowner tools are found at http://www.phoenyx.net/listowners/
On Sat, 13 Sep 2003, Tim Hall wrote: TH>Was that earlier this morning (your time) or about lunchtime (my time) TH>while I was making entries to the Kalyr wiki, and it went v..e...r...y TH>s...l...o....w? No, that was actually a few days ago. Earlier this morning was probably backups or something. We've got a lot of processes that really kill performance right now. -- -------------------------------------------------------------- Game(s): The Whole Phoenyx Listowner tools are found at http://www.phoenyx.net/listowners/
On Sat, 13 Sep 2003, Karen J. Cravens wrote: > No, that was actually a few days ago. Earlier this morning was probably > backups or something. We've got a lot of processes that really kill > performance right now. We were offline for awhile (the DSL connection froze). The system was a bit boggy when the connection reset, because mail traffic jumped for awhile. -- -------------------------------------------------------------- Game(s): Fudge, Worldmaking, Fantasy Co-Editor, Phoenyx Co-Owner Listowner tools are found at http://www.phoenyx.net/listowners/
On Sat, Sep 13, 2003 at 03:21:02PM -0500, Karen J. Cravens wrote: > I want to set the Phoenyx to GMT, but Carl keeps saying no. I worked for > a cargo airline for more years than I really ought to have, and it was > kind of nice having a fixed frame of reference. I also grew up (mostly) > in central Indiana, which doesn't go on daylight time. This business > about shuffling clocks around, and having different time zones, it's > nothing but trouble. I agree. Everbody should just go on GMT and get used to when "the middle of the day" is in their own local time. ...although before I really advocate that, I should decide whether it's likely to make teaching introductory Astronomy *easier* or *harder*.... Daylight Savings Time really drives me nuggets. It's not clear to me that it serves any purpose nowadays, yet doing it screws around with all sorts of little things. -Rob -- -------------------------------------------------------------- Game(s): Listowner tools are found at http://www.phoenyx.net/listowners/
On Sun, 14 Sep 2003, Robert A. Knop Jr. wrote: > I agree. Everbody should just go on GMT and get used to when "the > middle of the day" is in their own local time. If everybody would, that'd be okay. But I don't want to deal with living in both worlds. I wonder if "noon" and "midnight" would continue to represent the (rough) position of the sun if everyone switched, instead of representing 12:00 and 24:00. But then, how confusing would GMT be to travellers? When I jump time zones, I just reset my watch. Instead of resetting my watch, I'd have to remember when "noon" was and things like that. I think it would be too confusing. Even more interesting is a movement to abolish time zones in the US. We'll all just have 12:00 at the same time. You think daylight savings time is bad... consider what sunrise at 6 AM Central means to California... sunrise at 8 AM! But if you have a reasonable sunrise in CA... say 7 AM, then sunrise in Boston is at 4 AM! I just don't see how the advocates of this think it'll work. -- -------------------------------------------------------------- Game(s): Fudge, Worldmaking, Fantasy Co-Editor, Phoenyx Co-Owner Listowner tools are found at http://www.phoenyx.net/listowners/
On Thu, Sep 18, 2003 at 07:29:52AM -0500, Carl D Cravens wrote: > Even more interesting is a movement to abolish time zones in the US. > We'll all just have 12:00 at the same time. You think daylight savings > time is bad... consider what sunrise at 6 AM Central means to > California... sunrise at 8 AM! But if you have a reasonable sunrise in > CA... say 7 AM, then sunrise in Boston is at 4 AM! I just don't see how > the advocates of this think it'll work. When I think about it, I don't think about little inconvenient things like people wanting the sun to rise at a predictable time. I just want to be able to say "11:00AM" and have everybody know what I mean :) (The real advocates may think it'll work; I just don't think about it.) -Rob -- -------------------------------------------------------------- Game(s): Listowner tools are found at http://www.phoenyx.net/listowners/
> On Sun, 14 Sep 2003, Robert A. Knop Jr. wrote: > >> I agree. Everbody should just go on GMT and get used to when "the >> middle of the day" is in their own local time. > > If everybody would, that'd be okay. But I don't want to deal with > living in both worlds. > > I wonder if "noon" and "midnight" would continue to represent the > (rough) position of the sun if everyone switched, instead of > representing 12:00 and 24:00. > > But then, how confusing would GMT be to travellers? When I jump time > zones, I just reset my watch. Instead of resetting my watch, I'd have > to remember when "noon" was and things like that. I think it would be > too confusing. > > Even more interesting is a movement to abolish time zones in the US. > We'll all just have 12:00 at the same time. You think daylight savings > time is bad... consider what sunrise at 6 AM Central means to > California... sunrise at 8 AM! But if you have a reasonable sunrise in > CA... say 7 AM, then sunrise in Boston is at 4 AM! I just don't see > how the advocates of this think it'll work. As a note, there is a building groundswell of support in MA and NY to end DST and move permanently to Atlantic time. And if that happens, CT, RI, VT and ME will probably also move (NH may hold out just to be a hold-out). The argument is that now the time we most need the time shifted is the winter. Currently, mid-winter sunset times in Boston are around 4:30 (or a bit earlier). -- -------------------------------------------------------------- Game(s): Rumors of War / Science Fiction Category Editor Listowner tools are found at http://www.phoenyx.net/listowners/
On Sat, 13 Sep 2003, Karen J. Cravens wrote: > I want to set the Phoenyx to GMT, but Carl keeps saying no. I worked for > a cargo airline for more years than I really ought to have, and it was > kind of nice having a fixed frame of reference. I also grew up (mostly) > in central Indiana, which doesn't go on daylight time. This business > about shuffling clocks around, and having different time zones, it's > nothing but trouble. It confuses backups and log rotations and stuff. It causes more problems when I have to remember what "2 AM my time" is when it isn't 2 AM system clock time. I think in local time, and when I'm working on the system, I want it to reflect local time. -- -------------------------------------------------------------- Game(s): Fudge, Worldmaking, Fantasy Co-Editor, Phoenyx Co-Owner Listowner tools are found at http://www.phoenyx.net/listowners/
On Sat, 13 Sep 2003, Karen J. Cravens wrote: > Yeah, it's down right now because we had a runaway process that ate all > the memory, and because I couldn't remember how to restart it. Carl will > have to do that Real Soon Now. I thought I told you how to start it. /etc/init.d/moo start > We should probably have a watcher daemon that restarts it when it fails. > I have a number of new processes that need watched like that. I have a script that watches named... we can adapt that. -- -------------------------------------------------------------- Game(s): Fudge, Worldmaking, Fantasy Co-Editor, Phoenyx Co-Owner Listowner tools are found at http://www.phoenyx.net/listowners/
