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KarenCravens
Karen Cravens

Thu

Jan 6
2005

04:10Z

MGR: Deadwood time

The following games have no current activity:

7thorder
arcainus
forge
postcon
rumors
who-rpg

They, and their archives, will be moved offline shortly, unless someone 
registers an objection promptly.
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KarenCravens
Karen Cravens

Thu

Jan 6
2005

04:27Z

MGR: Deadwood time

I left one off that list: "morethings".

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RobertKnop
Robert A. Knop Jr.

Thu

Jan 6
2005

04:38Z

MGR: Deadwood time

On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 10:10:59PM -0600, Karen J. Cravens wrote:
> The following games have no current activity:
> 
> 7thorder
> arcainus
> forge
> postcon
> rumors
> who-rpg
> 
> They, and their archives, will be moved offline shortly, unless someone 
> registers an objection promptly.

You can also move morethings offline, as that game is also dead.... :(

-Rob
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KarenCravens
Karen Cravens

Thu

Jan 6
2005

04:59Z

MGR: Deadwood time

On Wed, 5 Jan 2005, Robert A. Knop Jr. wrote:

RAKJ>You can also move morethings offline, as that game is also dead.... :(

You'll have seen that I caught that one.  The others were dead, that one 
was undead.  ("Current" activity that was really just someone saying "Hey, 
this is dead."  Fools the status-checker script, but not the humans, who 
are just a little slower.)

So on a positive note, here are the games that appear to be alive:

akus
alienlight
bohavia
celandra
cragbain
fantasy
glitglam
greatforest
kalyr
realms

A couple of those are barely breathing; gamemasters who need help (of any 
kind) should holler.

Aaaand, I'll be writing a scholarly paper soon on "Tendencies of PBeM 
Games To Be In The First Half Of The Alphabet."  Clearly I'm going to have 
to reverse-sort the pbemlist page soon.

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ErisReddoch
Eris Reddoch

Fri

Jan 7
2005

00:02Z

MGR: Deadwood time

Karen J. Cravens wrote:

> So on a positive note, here are the games that appear to be alive:
> 
> akus



"It's alive, Alive I tell you!"

Akus has been suffering from real-life, burnout, and logistics 
problems for some time, but through it all we keep chugging along. 
We're coming up on 8 years now!

I've got three threads going: trying to rescue a kidnapped 8 year 
old girl, looking for a "lost imperial library", and dealing with a 
murderous gang of ner'dowells...and now we have two ships to deal 
with. :) I think the two ships are going to split up for a while 
taking half the pc's off on one adventure (the library) and the rest 
of the pc's off on the other (the rescue and gang).

Eris
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DrIanMcDonald
Dr Ian McDonald

Fri

Jan 7
2005

01:18Z

MGR: Deadwood time

"Karen J. Cravens" wrote:
> 
> The following games have no current activity:
> 
> 7thorder
> arcainus
> forge
> postcon
> rumors
> who-rpg
> 
> They, and their archives, will be moved offline shortly, unless someone
> registers an objection promptly.
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*Objections*

Will probably get some activity on who-rpg, just as soon as I can tell
them what I do for a living ... and failing that, when the new series
comes back on March 26th.
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MikeF
Mike Feldhusen

Thu

Jan 6
2005

12:44Z

MGR: Deadwood time

> The following games have no current activity:
>
> rumors
>
> They, and their archives, will be moved offline shortly, unless someone
> registers an objection promptly.

No objection on /Rumors/.

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InfinitePossibil
InfinitePoss

Thu

Jan 6
2005

14:20Z

MGR: Deadwood time

UUSupers is alive and kicking as well. We took a break for the holidays but are in the process of getting spun up again. ;-)

Have Fun,
Darren


> On Wed, 5 Jan 2005, Robert A. Knop Jr. wrote:
> 
> RAKJ>You can also move morethings offline, as that game is also dead.... :(
> 
> You'll have seen that I caught that one.  The others were dead, that one 
> was undead.  ("Current" activity that was really just someone saying "Hey, 
> this is dead."  Fools the status-checker script, but not the humans, who 
> are just a little slower.)
> 
> So on a positive note, here are the games that appear to be alive:
> 
> akus
> alienlight
> bohavia
> celandra
> cragbain
> fantasy
> glitglam
> greatforest
> kalyr
> realms
> 
> A couple of those are barely breathing; gamemasters who need help (of any 
> kind) should holler.
> 
> Aaaand, I'll be writing a scholarly paper soon on "Tendencies of PBeM 
> Games To Be In The First Half Of The Alphabet."  Clearly I'm going to have 
> to reverse-sort the pbemlist page soon.
> 
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KarenCravens
Karen Cravens

Thu

Jan 6
2005

14:40Z

MGR: Deadwood time

On Thu, 6 Jan 2005 InfinitePossibilities@comcast.net wrote:

> UUSupers is alive and kicking as well. We took a break for the holidays but are in the process of getting spun up again. ;-)

For some reason, I always mentally put that one in the "discussion" 
category, I dunno why.  And which includes so many semi-private lists, I 
never know which ones I should mention here.  The Fudge List, GAMERS, and 
TAO-RP (from one activity extreme to the other) are the three public ones 
I know of.

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CarlCravens
Carl D Cravens

Thu

Jan 6
2005

15:11Z

MGR: Deadwood time

On Thu, 6 Jan 2005, Karen J. Cravens wrote:

> TAO-RP (from one activity extreme to the other) are the three public ones

I'm kind of waiting for school to finish before I really start trying to 
get TAO-RP fired up.

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Chuk
Chuk Goodin

Thu

Jan 6
2005

18:23Z

MGR: Deadwood time

On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 10:10:59PM -0600, Karen J. Cravens wrote:

Speaking of Deadwood, anyone got any good suggestions on how to perk up a 
slowing game? Generic or specific, either's fine.

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TimHall
Tim Hall

Thu

Jan 6
2005

18:44Z

MGR: Deadwood time

Charles Frederick Goodin wrote:

>Speaking of Deadwood, anyone got any good suggestions on how to perk up a 
>slowing game? Generic or specific, either's fine.

One of my New Year's Resolutions is to try and respond to player posts
in Kalyr more promptly :)  I tend to catch up on posting at weekends,
but if I'm away for a couple of weekends in succession we can get an
unacceptably longish pause.  And I'm going to be away at a con this
coming weekend!

One problem with Kalyr over the past year or so is that several
players (not you!) are very sproradic in posting.  

Better than one of my games on Dreamlyrics, which is on hiatus because
one of the players is in jail.!  
See http://www.livejournal.com/users/silkenray/ and read from the
bottom upwards :(
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KarenCravens
Karen Cravens

Thu

Jan 6
2005

18:55Z

MGR: Deadwood time

On Thu, 6 Jan 2005, Charles Frederick Goodin wrote:

CFG>Speaking of Deadwood, anyone got any good suggestions on how to perk up a 
CFG>slowing game? Generic or specific, either's fine.

It sort of depends on where the slowdown's happening.

Are the players stumped?  Are the players bored?  Is the GM stumped?  Is 
the GM burned out?  Is real life interfering too much?

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Chuk
Chuk Goodin

Thu

Jan 6
2005

19:16Z

MGR: Deadwood time

On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 12:55:19PM -0600, Karen J. Cravens wrote:
> On Thu, 6 Jan 2005, Charles Frederick Goodin wrote:
> 
> CFG>Speaking of Deadwood, anyone got any good suggestions on how to perk up a 
> CFG>slowing game? Generic or specific, either's fine.
> 
> It sort of depends on where the slowdown's happening.
> 
> Are the players stumped?

I don't think most of them are.

> Are the players bored?

Possibly.

> Is the GM stumped?

Not really.

> Is the GM burned out? 

I think maybe a little.

> Is real life interfering too much?

Maybe a little.

I think it's just that the slowness of posting reaches a critical mass or 
something, and then it seems like getting back on track is too much effort 
for too little return.

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KarenCravens
Karen Cravens

Fri

Jan 7
2005

04:33Z

MGR: Deadwood time

Charles Frederick Goodin wrote:

>I think it's just that the slowness of posting reaches a critical mass or 
>something, and then it seems like getting back on track is too much effort 
>for too little return.
>  
>

Whose slowness of posting?  Players interacting with other players, or 
GM having to wait on a number of players who space out their responses, 
or... ?
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RobertKnop
Robert A. Knop Jr.

Fri

Jan 7
2005

05:39Z

MGR: Deadwood time

On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 10:33:59PM -0600, Karen J. Cravens wrote:
> Charles Frederick Goodin wrote:
> 
> >I think it's just that the slowness of posting reaches a critical mass or 
> >something, and then it seems like getting back on track is too much effort 
> >for too little return.
> >  
> >
> 
> Whose slowness of posting?  Players interacting with other players, or 
> GM having to wait on a number of players who space out their responses, 
> or... ?

Any or all of the above, in my experience.  Also add Players waiting on the
GM, which is what I've been guilty of :/

-Rob
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Chuk
Chuk Goodin

Fri

Jan 7
2005

07:32Z

MGR: Deadwood time

On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 10:33:59PM -0600, Karen J. Cravens wrote:
> >I think it's just that the slowness of posting reaches a critical mass or 
> >something, and then it seems like getting back on track is too much effort 
> >for too little return.
> >  
> >
> 
> Whose slowness of posting?  Players interacting with other players, or 
> GM having to wait on a number of players who space out their responses, 
> or... ?

Well, all of the above, but I have a few players who are pretty fast and 
reliable, a few more who post in fits and starts (which I do too) and then 
I vary from often to rarely.

I seem to be getting in a reactive mode, where for a little while I'll 
only post in response to PC actions. This doesn't really work even in 
face-to-face...maybe having ID'd this I might be able to do more about it.

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KarenCravens
Karen Cravens

Sun

Jan 9
2005

21:39Z

MGR: Deadwood time

On Fri, 7 Jan 2005, Charles Frederick Goodin wrote:

CFG>Well, all of the above, but I have a few players who are pretty fast and 
CFG>reliable, a few more who post in fits and starts (which I do too) and then 
CFG>I vary from often to rarely.
CFG>
CFG>I seem to be getting in a reactive mode, where for a little while I'll 
CFG>only post in response to PC actions. This doesn't really work even in 
CFG>face-to-face...maybe having ID'd this I might be able to do more about it.

We've had some thoughts along these lines, at least as far as technology 
can help:

http://www.phoenyx.net/gamehawk/bryar.cgi/id_153?comments=1

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ErisReddoch
Eris Reddoch

Sun

Jan 9
2005

23:56Z

MGR: Deadwood time

Karen J. Cravens wrote:

>  On Fri, 7 Jan 2005, Charles Frederick Goodin wrote:
>
>  CFG>Well, all of the above, but I have a few players who are pretty
>  fast and CFG>reliable, a few more who post in fits and starts (which
>  I do too) and then CFG>I vary from often to rarely. CFG> CFG>I seem
>  to be getting in a reactive mode, where for a little while I'll
>  CFG>only post in response to PC actions. This doesn't really work
>  even in CFG>face-to-face...maybe having ID'd this I might be able to
>  do more about it.
>
>  We've had some thoughts along these lines, at least as far as
>  technology can help:
>
>  http://www.phoenyx.net/gamehawk/bryar.cgi/id_153?comments=1

I like the "cookie" idea, to deal with stale threads. I've been guilty 
of "forgetting" a player and letting their thread hand for much too long 
from time to time. I've had the game bog down somewhat, too, when 
certain players don't respond promptly to posts...I keep waiting for 
them and eventually end up NPCing a move for them, but if they got a 
cookie reminder they might move ahead faster, and they didn't and *I* 
got a reminder that they haven't replied after getting a reminder *I* 
could move ahead faster. There might be times when I want that cookie 
set for 2 or 3 people though, not just one person....like, here's a post 
that Bruce, Suz and Greg need to reply to before we can move on, so 
cookies could be set for all three and if they don't reply in X days I 
get a reminder and can move the game on.

OTOH, I'm playing in a game where the GM just made a rule, that if you 
didn't respond to one of his game posts within 24 hours, he would NPC 
your character for that return post, and everyone would move on. He's 
strict with the rule, and if you don't like it you can quit...it seems 
to work in that game.  Of course, *he* sometimes disappears for a week 
or two and we can't NPC his gameworld while he's gone. :)

Eris
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KarenCravens
Karen Cravens

Mon

Jan 10
2005

00:32Z

MGR: Deadwood time

On Sun, 9 Jan 2005, Eris Reddoch wrote:

I posted the response at:  
http://www.phoenyx.net/gamehawk/bryar.cgi/id_155?comments=1

(I need to get by-web replies in Bryar working again, but that's all over 
on the test server right now so it's a little awkward.)

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MeeraBarry
Meera Barry

Mon

Jan 10
2005

23:12Z

MGR: Deadwood

>So on a positive note, here are the games that appear to be alive:

>A couple of those are barely breathing; gamemasters who need help (of
>any kind) should holler.

I'm going into surgery this week (little things like unexpectedly having a
baby...oh dear, that didn't parse right; I had my baby unexpectedly early,
how'bout that?) and such has interrupted the flow, but GlitGlam is still
going!  (Some of it in private mail, too.)  Going to hopefully add some
stuff to my co-GM's workload, too.

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StevenHill
Steven Hill

Sat

Jan 8
2005

02:38Z

MGR: Deadwood time

Karen J. Cravens wrote:

>The following games have no current activity:
>
>7thorder
>arcainus
>forge
>postcon
>rumors
>who-rpg
>
>They, and their archives, will be moved offline shortly, unless someone 
>registers an objection promptly.
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>
>  
>

Due some personal and professional issues, postcon has gone silent.  I've 
been intending to do something with it and your little note may just be the 
impetus to do it.  Please bear with me for the time being.

Steve of postcon
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BruceHumphrey
Bruce Humphrey

Sat

Jan 8
2005

04:00Z

MGR: Deadwood time

At 03:38 08/01/2005, you wrote:
>Karen J. Cravens wrote:
>
> >The following games have no current activity:
> >
> >7thorder
> >arcainus
> >forge
> >postcon
> >rumors
> >who-rpg
> >
> >They, and their archives, will be moved offline shortly, unless someone
> >registers an objection promptly.
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> >Game(s): The Whole Phoenyx
> >Listowner tools are found at http://www.phoenyx.net/listowners/
> >
> >
> >
>
>Due some personal and professional issues, postcon has gone silent.  I've
>been intending to do something with it and your little note may just be the
>impetus to do it.  Please bear with me for the time being.

For a long time I haven't done anything with forge... better erase it, yes. 
Sorry.

Best wishes for the new year, Bruce Humphrey
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NickPendrell
Nick Pendrell

Sun

Jan 9
2005

07:28Z

MGR: Deadwood time

Hi,

I'm not sure what to do about Bohavia at the moment as there's nothing
happening with it at the moment.  A couple of players have volunteered to
keep it going, but then they just let it languish.

I really wouldn't want to see it die after all the years (and the millions
of words that it has generated over that time), but I am most definitely not
in a position to take it back over myself.

In mid-December I started a strange business in a strange city in a strange
country only to have my business partner quit after ten days because she
couldn't stand the workload, so I'm struggling to say the least.  I only
packed enough to last me a couple of weeks and I've been out here a month
already with no possibility of leaving for a couple of months at least.

So we're talking many, many months, if not several years before I may be in
a position to kick-start it back up again.

Has anyone got any suggestions as what to do with it in the interim?

Thanks for your help with this.

Bye for now,


Nick

-----Original Message-----
From: bounces@phoenyx.net [mailto:bounces@phoenyx.net] On Behalf Of Karen J.
Cravens
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 7:00 AM
To: managers@phoenyx.net
Subject: Re: MGR: Deadwood time

On Wed, 5 Jan 2005, Robert A. Knop Jr. wrote:

RAKJ>You can also move morethings offline, as that game is also dead.... :(

You'll have seen that I caught that one.  The others were dead, that one 
was undead.  ("Current" activity that was really just someone saying "Hey, 
this is dead."  Fools the status-checker script, but not the humans, who 
are just a little slower.)

So on a positive note, here are the games that appear to be alive:

akus
alienlight
bohavia
celandra
cragbain
fantasy
glitglam
greatforest
kalyr
realms

A couple of those are barely breathing; gamemasters who need help (of any 
kind) should holler.

Aaaand, I'll be writing a scholarly paper soon on "Tendencies of PBeM 
Games To Be In The First Half Of The Alphabet."  Clearly I'm going to have 
to reverse-sort the pbemlist page soon.

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